tukafan21

I've never said we can infer anything yet, even in my posts in this thread I've said it's too early to do that and there is plenty of time to turn it around. All I'm saying is that it infuriates me beyond belief when people call this season the first of a "rebuild" and use that as a way to excuse away a rough season. The staff said all offseason that they felt we had a good roster in place and that's why we traded the farm to get Bryce, as he was the most pro ready and able to step in and win games with the roster they put together. That's NOT a rebuild, when the staff says things like that and they make the trade they did to go get Bryce, having a "rebuild" season is then unacceptable. That's what I'm saying and why I get upset when people say things like "we always knew this was going to be a rough year because it's the first of a rebuild" and use that to be okay with the possibility of giving a Top 10 or even Top 5 pick away to the Bears. If that happens, this season and the trade will be an abject failure that can only be rectified by Bryce winning a SB here and then ending up in Canton.

They switched schemes mid season last year on both sides of the ball and improved, a full offseason with this all star constructed staff shouldn't be having the type of problems that make it acceptable to call it a "rebuild" If they felt the staff turnover was going to cause that many issues, THEN YOU DON'T TRADE AWAY THE FARM FOR A QB WITH SERIOUS LONGEVITY CONCERNS THE YEAR BEFORE A STACKED QB DRAFT!!!!! That's what I can't get past with people calling this year a rebuild. If you really felt it was going to be like that this year, then you keep your picks, sign a journeyman QB, take your lumps while the rest of the team learns the new schemes, and draft your QB with your own pick next year. THAT is how you do a rebuild, not get the QB first. What we did is basically the equivalent of Groot stealing that battery in the jail of the first Guardians of the Galaxy movie. It was supposed to be the last piece to the puzzle, but instead did it first in a stupid way and then needed to scramble to figure the rest out. I'm still not saying I think the sky is falling on this season after 1 week, plenty of time to turn it around, but it's why I can't stand people saying this year should be viewed in the sense of a rebuild. But if Bryce doesn't end up a HOF caliber QB and we give a Top 10 pick to the Bears next year, that trade will forever be looked at as the worst transaction in franchise history. I'm sorry, but it's just a fact.

I really can't stand this narrative that people have built up in their heads to accept a poor season that gives the Bears a top pick in a QB heavy draft. We were 7-9, in the playoff hunt in the final week of the season, improved the coaching staff and kept the same starters or got better at every position except #1 WR. That's not a rebuild, it's just year 1 of a new staff/QB combo, but given what we had last year, it's still an improvement. If this really was year 1 of a true rebuild, you don't trade away your next year's first round pick. I'd have had no issues with a rebuild, but if that's what we were doing, we did it terribly.

Honestly not sure what this even means. I watch streams all the time, I know how annoying they are to get going, gotta click the link multiple times and close out the pop ups, then gotta do the same thing on the page of the stream itself to get it going. Will need to re-fresh the stream at least a couple times during the game as well, and that's if the link itself mostly works and you don't have to find another one. With Sunday ticket, you simply go to Youtube and click on the game you want to watch, it starts playing in seconds (unless it's the first time you are using it for the day and it might take an extra 10-15 seconds to verify your location so it knows what games need to be blacked out to you. It's as simple as it gets, pretty sure if anyone is having issues with Sunday Ticket, it's user error

I haven't had any issues with Sunday Ticket, think it's been outstanding, I already don't know how I ever survived watching for fantasy before it, hahaha Closest thing I've had to an issue was that last week when I first turned it on with my roku, my phone was acting up and didn't want to verify my location so that it could work, but that was my phone, not the service and I was able to get around it pretty quickly. Right now have the quad box on my projector through the Roku with each game having players in my matchup, another on the TV and one on my laptop, have every player from both teams going at once, it's unreal.

Uh....... what now?!?!?! Honestly, do people ever do any research before posting nonsense on here? It literally takes 20 seconds of googling each of their names to know that Mingo's Freshman year at Ole Miss was also DK's and AJ's rookie season in the NFL. MAYBE he would have had some workouts with them in the summer or something, but that would be the extent of him practicing with the two of them. They went to the same school, end of connection.

He might not be the #1 WR that we're looking for right now and he might not even be someone his current team would be willing to trade either. But I'd love to see us try and go get John Metchie from the Texans. He had a great connection with Bryce during his Heisman season and reuniting college QB/WR combos has seemed to work well in recent years for a bunch of teams.

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Really? I'm not questioning, it, just hadn't ever heard that one, which is just a bit surprising since LT is much tougher to learn/adjust to than RT, wonder why LG would be easier than RG.

never heard of the guy, I was thinking it's kinda like Brandon Roy for the Trailblazers like 10 or so years ago, just with a bit less success since Roy at least was able to have a couple good seasons before injuries ruined a promising looking career. But he just couldn't stay healthy, was never a lack of talent or performance when on the field.

If the Bears and/or Cardinals end up with Top 5 picks because of the trades with us and the Texans during this past draft, they could both go down as two of the dumbest trades of all time given the QB talent in this draft.

I've still got my two Biakabutuka jerseys as well, thankfully his jersey wasn't easily found in my area in children sizes at the time, so they were basically a dress on me back then, but fit me now. My authentic black one is my usual gameday jersey, especially now seeing as I don't have any current player jerseys at the moment. It's also helped protect me a bit at the couple of Panthers games I've gone to in Detroit. Cam's rookie year a guy sitting behind us started heckling me as we were walking down the row to our seats, but as soon as we got there and he could see the back of the jersey, he laughed as he was a Michigan fan and turned the game into fun banter instead of drunk abuse lol.

oh yea, fug Ohio, we do not like each other as states, let alone the Michigan-OSU rivalry. Ohio is a POS state, everything about it is just garbage. It's well known by Michiganders that if you have to drive through Ohio, you need to know to watch your speed. The hatred runs so deep that cops will pull you over in Ohio if you have Michigan plates and are going just a few MPH above the limit.

he hasn't made any impact?!?!?! The Falcons coach literally said that he blew up their gameplay with how he played in the first half and they had to completely alter their second half strategy to deal with it. Just because the rest of the defense and the offense isn't yet up to the task of carrying their own weight, doesn't mean he isn't impacting games. We also had a pretty good defense the second half of the season last year, I don't think that happens without his pass rush. Pass rush starts everything on a defense if you can get to the QB quickly, it makes every other player on the team better because they have to do their job for less amount of time.

I'll admit that I'm too young and not local to NC to have been able to follow the team closely enough back then to have ever heard any of that stuff. I'm a Panthers fan because of Biakabutuka Have lived in Michigan my whole life (outside of my years in Arizona for college) and grew up a big Michigan fan with Biakabutuka as my favorite player thanks to him having a monster game against my dad's alma mater in my first ever Michigan football game I went to. My dad took me to the HOF the year before we joined the league and I loved the team's colors and logo (which my friends to this day like to make fun of me for liking the team for those reasons, but c'mon, I was like a 7 year old kid at the time haha). While there he bought me a Panthers mini helmet and a HOF game shirt with us playing the Jags on it. I casually rooted for us that first season, as much as any kid that age could from Michigan and pre-internet. Then when we drafted my favorite player going into that second season, I got hooked, almost 30 years later and here we are. So yea, I don't even care what he was on the field, he brought the Panthers into my life (for better or maybe worse lol).

Agreed, I guess my point was that I can't see how that best next man up would be Mays, it's clearly Zavala or else Mays would be playing RG right now.

Yes and no It's not like we were going to pay someone who has just been average, he's been a borderline elite pass rusher for 3 years now who everyone could see was teetering on the edge of stepping into that elite category. Sometimes you just have to take the risk with a guy like that and sign them to a bigger deal than you'd have liked, because you believe in him and that he'll be worth it. The second we turned down 2 firsts for him, we signaled that we believed he was going to take that leap. If the team even had the slightest question that he'd get there, they'd have taken that trade and laughed while doing so. That's a key difference here than with the old Marty crap. He paid players for what they did in the past, not what he thought they'd do in the future, very very different.

That's my concern and why we should have just given him what he wanted before the season started, as whatever the number was, it was lower than what it will be when he balls out this year. I think people forget that even when he was drafted, he was a bit of a project. He was still a bit undersized for a DE and got by in college on his raw physical talents, something everyone knew wouldn't work from the jump in the NFL due to him being a little light. Combine that with the epically bad coaching staff he had, I don't think it was a surprise that he struggled at times so far in his career. But his pass rushing ability was always evident, now he has a competent coaching staff, has bulked up, he was always poised to have a monster breakout season, most fans saw this coming, not sure how the staff couldn't when they watched him every day all summer and raved about him.

Oh, and if anyone names Biakabutuka in this thread, I'm coming for ya!

Agreed, I know it might be semantics to some, but I think there is a clear and distinct difference between a bust and a pick that didn't work out. A bust was a player who ended up being a player who just couldn't live up to their draft expectations while actually playing. But a player who played at an elite level but just couldn't stay healthy, that isn't a bust, provided they weren't coming into the league with injury issues that the team felt okay knowingly taking a risk on.

I've just about given up all hope that we'll re-sign him this season at this point. If we can't get a deal done before week 2, short of offering him the same numbers Bosa got, I don't think Burns' camp will agree to a new deal anymore, especially if he gets another sack this weekend. Hell, if he plays a few more games the same way as week 1, he'd be assured of his contract stature even if he got hurt and missed the rest of the season (knock on wood), the more he plays like this, the less injury risk is a concern for him I think.

I mean, he kind of has to, no? I know I spent yesterday arguing keeping him on the right even when Corbett came back, but that was assuming we had a healthy startle LG. Don't think it's a good idea to throw Mays over there on Bryce's blindside, put him in at RG and slide Zavala over to the left and get him settled into his position for hopefully the next 10 years, a year earlier than I was hoping we'd need to do so.

Talk about pumping the brakes... Williams is probably the best QB prospect since Luck and possibly even a better prospect than he was as well. Bryce's mental side of the game is unheard of for a prospect, which is what gives him a chance to be good or even great. But his physical side does have some limitations, it doesn't mean he can't be great, guys like Brady weren't physical specimens. But guys like Williams don't grow on trees, there's a reason he's compared to Mahomes in what he can do, it's next level stuff. And I know I've been tough on Bryce, admittedly because I never wanted him solely due to his size and my concerns about him being able to have a long healthy career. But this post is not a knock on him at all, it's a positive post for Williams, he's just that good of a prospect.

Anyone serious about watching football isn't going to try and compare the first game of a rookie on the road to Tom Brady's 2nd and 3rd season's playoff runs, literally just nonsense. Guess that's what I get for feeding the trolls

I get it, but my original post on this was really more meant to be in regards to the people who keep getting upset at Fitterer for taking Horn instead of those guys, and more that it was a bust of a selection than the player themselves. Oden also is a little different as Durant was there and I think people knew Oden was a walking injury risk at the time, something Horn was not.