tukafan21

The difference is that if you combined this year's QB draft class with next years, not a single analyst would put Bryce or Stroud above either Williams or Maye. The question marks around the QBs in this year's draft are the only reason keeping Fields and trading the pick was even an option, in any year there was an unquestioned #1 prospect with elite potential, the Bears take the QB and trade Fields.

lol is this a real question? They’d take a QB, re-set the clock on the rookie contract and trade Bryce for whatever we could get, would be the biggest no brainer decision of all time.

While not untrue and yes the rest of our weapons are garbage, I also don't think it's fair to say Thielen is being force fed passes. WRs who get force fed passes are constantly being thrown contested balls into tight coverage. The majority of Thielen's catches are wide open with no defender directly on him with a chance to break up the pass. And that's 100% on Thielen's route running ability, he's crafty and knows how to find the open space in the defense. It's why he was my #1 wanted FA once we made the trade for the pick, particularly if it was going to be Bryce. I think Bryce's mental side of the game and Thielen's veteran savvy and knowledge of the game is a perfect fit. I'm sure he's not always running the intended route, but running into open space near his route and Bryce is smart enough to know what he's going to do and is ready for it.

In all the hate on here today, I thought it was only right that we need to recognize the one player on our team who is playing like a legitimate star right now, none other than Mr Adam Thielen T-3rd in receptions 9th in yards T-4th in TDs 3rd in 1st Downs He's not an outside #1 anymore at this point in his career, but he's such a savvy vet and great route runner that he's constantly getting open and essentially forcing Bryce to keep throwing him the ball with how often he's getting open for him. It's another reason we so badly need a true outside #1 though, as Thielen's targets wouldn't go down that much with how often he gets open, so adding a #1 could help unlock the offense and in turn, hopefully Bryce. If he can stay healthy, with his route running, there is no reason he can't be a successful slot in this league for another 3-5 years. He's could very well be the type of guy who plays like Larry Fitzgerald, into his late 30's and at the end of his career just be a solid 3rd down safety valve for the QB because he just knows how to get open on short yard routes. That's why they gave him the contract they did, it's because they saw this out of him and knew he would be a perfect fit for a QB like Bryce.

I remember where people were afraid we were going to lose both our coordinators to HC jobs after the first season and then not be able to get the two 3rd's for them that you get if they're a coach there for at least 2 years. That one seems pretty safe right now, nobody is hiring the coordinators from a team this bad as their HC, the GM would get run out of town by a torch carrying mob.

I'd be curious to see the advanced pass rush analytics on him from this game, but I have no idea where to find that stuff. Definitely saw him affect Tua on multiple plays, sometimes you just don't get home, especially against the best offense in football right now. Having said that, he's unfortunately for himself proven he's not deserving of Bosa money like he wanted, which if anything I think makes it more likely a team will give up good assets to get him, they think they'll be able to sign him for less than he originally wanted. He's still an elite pass rusher, but like everything else with this team, I'm sure we're not using him correctly and putting him on a team with better players, particularly at DB, it will unlock him and he'll go nuts.

Yea, the Higgins was just a general comment. I don't think he's too expensive because part of what you're paying for if you go for a guy like that, is what it does to help improve Bryce as well. We have to get him a real #1 on the outside next year and if the only way to get that is to overpay for it, so be it, but that's why you can write part of that contract off towards Bryce and not look at it solely for the WR. Also who knows who might become available through at trade in the offseason, maybe a team is having extension issues with someone elite and decide they'd rather just trade them unexpectedly like Tyreek and AJ Brown over the last few years. But one way or another, we need a #1 on the outside for Bryce, and if Thielen can keep this up with his route running from the slot, that would be a nice 1-2 combo for Bryce to have at his disposal.

Yea I wasn't trying to compare him to a specific QB in terms of style of play or ability, more just his role in the NFL universe. I think he'll end up being that guy that teams try to sign when they have a rookie they want to sit for a season or if they're in that middle ground of not bad enough to want to punt on the season but not good enough to be true contenders.

I said it a few weeks ago that I fully believe he'll end up as somewhere around the 20th best QB in the league. Which isn't horrible, but that's also not worth what we traded to get him. That's not a franchise QB, that's the type of QB who bounces around from team to team to be their QB placeholder while a rookie is on the bench or while still looking for your future franchise QB. The Teddy Two Gloves, Baker Mayfields, Jacoby Brissetts, etc, of the world.

I don't love you nor do I not love you. To be quite frank, you just frustrate me with your non-realistic views on how real life NFL works and you just seem like the classic "Madden glasses" type of person who thinks the real NFL works like the poo you can manipulate in the game. Which is my biggest frustration in regards to how people talk about real life NFL teams/players, right there next to viewing things only from a Fantasy standpoint (such as saying Higgins can't be a #1 in this league, he absolutely is a real life football #1, he's one of the 32 best WRs in this league, but he's not a fantasy #1 so people say he isn't a #1 WR).

And still had the same final score and stat lines, I do wonder how this fan base would be reacting right now. I am by no means trying to say we are a good team or anything like that, but we were always going to lose this game and lose by multiple TDs, I just wonder if it feels worse because of that first quarter when we seemed to catch them looking past us and made them stop and pay attention. I've clearly been one of the more vocal bashers of this team so far this season, but even I can't help but look at this game as an improvement on the whole. I'm not going to absolve Bryce of all his struggles today, but the OL completely collapsed at times and put Bryce in bad positions often. But having said that, I thought Bryce had maybe his 2 or 3 best throws of the season in this game and at times actually looked like a competent QB out there. Granted he still had a few just head scratching moments and times where he still just looked out of place on the NFL field, which is why I still don't see him being near an elite QB in this league, but I feel better about his future after this game than I did any of the previous games this year. Chubba looked like a legit NFL RB for much of the game as well, something we haven't seen from the RB position yet this season. And sure, the defense gave up 42 points, but did anyone seriously expect us to keep the Dolphins offense under 40 points today? We're a badly banged up defense right now and sure, we gave up some big plays that cost us today, but everyone does against the Dolphins. We had far more impressive defensive drives today than I ever expected us to have, I honestly was expecting the Dolphins to roll us up much worse than they did. Hell, 32% of their yards on the day came on just 3 plays with big plays from Tyreek x2 and Mostert going for over 40 yards on a play. If you had told me that they'd have had plays of 49, 47, and 41 yards on the day and nothing else, I'd have expected them to have 600 yards and put up 60 points on us, not 426 and 42. We still suck and I fully expect to be handing over a Top 3 pick to the Bears. But I think with how we played today and the bye to hopefully let some banged up players heal up, I see the Bears, Texans, Colts, and Titans games coming out of the bye as all winnable games. No we won't win them all, but I think we end up going 2-2 in them and give this team at least a tiny bit of hope for the future.

lol, one of the most irrational posters of the last 6 months asking to be a mod

Well he hasn't gotten on the field more since we lost Shaq or any of the DB's either And now they're still not pushing him up the depth chart with a Safety out either. So what the fug is their plan for this guy, he was the "12th starter" coming into the season with the way they talked about him being able to play all over the place. We've now lost players at all 3 positions that he moves around at, but he's still only getting on the field for 1/3 of the defensive snaps?!?!?! Make it make sense

Just saw we're bringing up a guy from the PS to start at Safety this week. Honest question.... what position does Chinn play for us? They won't put him on the field but when both of our starting safeties are out, we decide to start Sam Franklin and a PS guy instead of putting Chinn at one of the spots? This is getting borderline criminal at this point to not use him.

I was all about trading Chinn up until hearing this news. Have felt for a few weeks now that we needed to trade him if we didn't have a plan to use him properly. If he's only playing 1/3 of the snaps, he's not re-signing here next year, he's 100% walking away in FA. But poo, if the Eagles of all teams want him, it's even more proof that he's a stud who just isn't being used correctly. Just hearing they are who wants him, makes me re-think trading him and want to give the staff a chance to finally figure out how to use him and convince him to re-sign here in the offseason.

Bad players can’t have good games when they’re force fed the ball???? He’s had good games in his career, but he’s still just an average player on the whole. But if the Broncos really are trading him, forcing the ball to him enough tonight to get him a good stat line would be the smart decision on their part, especially since it’s a game they know they aren’t winning anyways.

https://x.com/barstoolsports/status/1712619753330610554?s=46&t=LQU3yEizU6WVOcNoJTNyOw So his response to getting called out is to dance around for the camera behind Smitty while his teammates are warming up for the game right behind him. Like I’ve said for weeks, this guy is a Diggs level diva with replacement level production and a $13 million contract next season. Stay the fug away at any cost

I also fully expect a big Jeudy game tonight, they want to showcase him for a trade, no better way to do that than on a national broadcast. They’ll force feed him the ball and take a bunch of shots to him.

$13 million That’s what he is guaranteed next year and people keep ignoring that. Trading for him isn’t problematic for what we would have to give up to get him, but it’s that contract for an average player when we will finally have some cap room to spend. ANY cost to get him in a trade is too much because of that contract. Period.

That was freaking amazing and it's the same thing I've been screaming about the last 2 weeks while so many people are clamoring to give up a 3rd round pick (basically around pick 65) in the draft for him and his contact. It. Makes. No. Sense. He's an average to slightly above average football player who is still living off his draft pick reputation, Jeudy shouldn't even be on our radar, I'd give up more to get Sutton. Honestly it wouldn't shock me if this helps make sure we don't trade for him, Smitty has become much closer with the franchise the last few years, I have to think he's seen the rumors and hearing the talk of fans wanting the Panthers to trade for him, hopefully he's given the team a call to tell them to stay the fug away.

I think this is a flawed way of viewing the BB/Brady split situation. A big part of the reason that Brady wanted to leave in the end was because he knew the Patriots needed a talent re-fresh and he didn't want to waste his last couple years on that. He went to an absolutely stacked TB team that then even brought in more talent on the cheap because they wanted to chase a ring with Brady. The Patriots run was probably equally on both Brady and BB, for some reason people forget the defensive gameplays that BB has put together over the years to just completely neuter other offenses by constantly being able to take away their best weapon every week.

Didn't mean something quite like that, more like one of those "advisor to the owner" type of roles where they just pay him to be visible with the Patriots and be someone Kraft can bounce ideas off of.

Wasn't the whole reason we drafted him was because he already did this stuff at a high level? This is just embarrassing at this point, we screwed the pooch so badly on this one, even if Bryce does manage to turn things around and make a solid career for himself, the trade will forever be a bad one with what he gave up to get a guy who clearly wasn't the most pro ready QB of the bunch like we were told.

We couldn't get Ben Johnson before we became a mess of a franchise over the last few months, 0% chance we'd be able to get him after this poo show if we were to fire Reich. Seemed obvious to me at the time that he was passing on the HC opportunities this past offseason so he could try and get either the Chargers job next year or one of the HC openings from a team who will be in place to take a QB from this class.