tukafan21

This is just nonsense Look at our schedule, our 6 losses are against 4 first place teams and the other 2 losses are to teams who are in second place to one of those other losses. Dolphins, Lions, Seahawks, Falcons are all in first, Vikings and Saints are both in 2nd to one of them. Sure, maybe we should have been able to beat one or both of the Falcons or Saints, but realistically, we aren't a good enough team yet to beat the others. I'm not saying we're some amazing team of course, still have lots of holes and I'm not sold on Bryce having true elite potential, but we can be a decent team the rest of the year. Colts, Bears, Titans, Bucs, Saints, Falcons, Packers, Bucs are all winnable games, the Falcons and Saints are the only teams in that group that aren't below .500 and they're only each 4-4 themselves. I think they'll be able to ride this momentum to be up for and win the game against Frank's old team in the Colts at home, then carry that momentum to beat the bad Bears on the road to get to 3-6. Say we lose to the Cowboys and Jags as I figure we will and that is 8 losses. If we then go even just 3-3 in the other 6 games and we finish 6-11. Not quite what we wanted coming into the season, but that would be a more than respectable finish for a team that started 0-6 and looked as bad as we did in doing so.

I think it was right on the borderline of the flag or not. Rookie QB isn't getting that call, the Mahomes, Burrow, Hurts, Allen, etc of the world probably get that one. Would have liked it in the moment, but not one to be upset about

I'd prefer to keep him around to mentor Bryce But if we could maybe send them Dalton and TMJ for KJ Osborn and a 3rd or 4th round pick, I think I'd jump all over that

Just went and looked at his contract, looks like we're probably stuck with him for next year as well, it would cost us about $750k of the cap to cut him. And I don't mean that would be the dead cap hit, that means his dead cap hit is about $750k higher than his cap hit if on the team. Even with as bad as he's been, I can't see them using $8.4 million of the cap next year to ask him to leave, just pay the 7.7 Million to have him be the most expensive backup in the league (and then eat the $3 million dead cap to cut him after next season).

Thielen - A+ Hurst and Chark - D+ Sanders - D- And you left one out... Dalton - A Dalton has more than done his job in being there to mentor Bryce, help him learn how to be a QB in this league, and then step in and play if/when needed. Chark might get a C- if just based on his play itself, but when taken into account that he was given $6 million and supposed to be our #1 on the outside, D+ might even be too generous. Same with Sanders, he's been a D- on the field, but take into account his contract and it's an actual F

I think it was less about trying to freeze the kicker than it was just trying to time the snap perfectly to try and get the block for the win, especially the second one after we got the 15 yarder, at that point the FG was a gimme anyways. So if you don't guess the snap and are offsides, either he still makes it and it doesn't matter, or he misses/blocked because of the offsides and he has to try again. But if you happen to guess perfectly on the snap, you have a chance at a block to win the game, just no downside to trying to guess it and get lucky. The mistake was by the refs blowing the second one dead, should have just let it go and it would have been over since he made it anyways.

He had his best game of the year and has been improving lately, no denying that. But I still don't see him being an upper echelon QB in this league though, especially with these hits he's taking. Sure, give him all the credit in the world for keeping bouncing back up, but look what the continued hits did to someone like Cam, Bryce won't hold up long term if he keeps taking 4-6 huge hits a game. With him improving though, I may not think he'll be the complete bust I thought he would be a month ago, I'm now reverting back to my pre-draft thoughts of what he'd become. Around the 20th best QB in the league, someone not good enough to carry teams to true SB contention but probably not bad enough for us to cut bait and move on from him. I said before the draft that I thought he'd end up being the Marvin Lewis of QB's, I think that still looks like his ceiling to me.

What about him? I'm still convinced he'll end up on the Bengals before the trade deadline is up, pairing him back up with Burrow/Chase to see if they can help unlock his potential makes too much sense.

If/when we franchise him, if we can't come to a contract by training camp, he can't play a down for us again. Cause we sure as hell won't tag him twice, so if we can't get a deal done with him by then, he just has to be traded for whatever we can get. Which, in turn, is why he just should be traded right now. We couldn't come to a deal with him before all this, I don't see us coming to one at any point down the line, need to get a good return for him and just move on. Also can't look at what we turned down last year and make decisions based on that, sunk cost that we can't go back and do, have to make the best possible decision with the situation at hand currently.

How can we turn down the offer last year, then not get a deal done this offseason, only to now not even be listening to offers?!?!?! It makes no sense, only thing I can think of is that they're saying that hoping someone will make a stupid offer to test our resolve and then jump on it, but that seems like a losing strategy

Nobody is trading for Lockett, he's 5 years older than DK and is owed more money in 2024 thank DK

Not really, we could have afforded him if we waited on getting a #1 instead of giving Chark his contract. Once we did that, we couldn't justify the cost plus lack of snaps it would have given TMJ and Mingo. But now that we see TMJ is a total bust and Chark is kinda trash, it's different, particularly with how poor Bryce as looked, we need to get him improving THIS season and not wait till next.

Seattle has playoff aspirations, they're not trading their best player during the season. Said this in a thread the other day, but if JSN balls out the rest of the season, then DK becomes a likely trade candidate in the offseason. He has 2 years left on his deal after this season, which means he'll be looking for an extension after next season most likely. If they are comfortable with JSN as their #1 moving forward, they could look to trade DK to use that cap room elsewhere (like defense), instead of dishing out a Top 5 WR contract to keep DK. But unless DK walks in the building and punches Pete in the face in the next 10 days, he's not being traded during the season.

Technically not true based on the title of the thread Bucs play Thursday

There's a reason Harbaugh isn't in the NFL right now. I don't know exactly what it is, but with all the issues he's had at Michigan over his time there, the fact that he hasn't jumped at any NFL opportunities is telling. Whether it's that he doesn't like coaching entitled millionaires, that he doesn't think his style of coaching works for them these days (which is the same reason Deion will never coach in the NFL), or because of some other reason, there is something that has kept him in college. I don't want to be the team that overpays him to go to a job/league that he doesn't really want to be in, only likely to end in a disaster, similar to Urban Meyer

He's a worse version of Thielen, would be completely pointless for us to add him. We need outside and speed WRs, the literal opposite of what he is

No CMC had years of never missing games and playing at a HOF level while doing so. Horn hasn’t shown near enough on the field or enough health to slow walk a recovery to try and force a trade. Also, I never felt CMC did that, I thought at the end of both seasons is was more likely the team that shut him down, why risk further injury and hurt our draft position for him to play in a couple meaningless late season games.

No trading a first round pick for anyone until we know what Bryce can be and we're sure we aren't about to be picking in there Top 5 or 10 the year we trade the pick away. Trading a future first for DK would screw us over if Bryce still sucks and it ends up a Top 5 pick as that could either replace Bryce or take whoever is the top WR in that draft (assuming there is one worth it and there usually is) and get them on a fraction of the contract as DK. If we get the 2 firsts for Burns, I'd have no problem sending out one of them though, just not our own until we're sure Bryce is the QB of the future. If we end up in a Josh Rosen/Kyler Murray situation we absolutely bail on Bryce.

DK won't be made available during the season. But if JSN balls out the rest of the year, I could see a scenario where they trade DK in the offseason. He's going to want a new contract after 2024, and if they think JSN can be their new #1, he could be the Tyreek/Brown type of player who becomes available because their existing team doesn't want to dish out a Top 3 WR contract.

Unless that "something" is a future 1st or Burns, there is no way the Lions even pick up the phone. He was their first round pick last year who has shown immense potential in his limited playing time, they're not trading him for TMJ. The only scenario I could see us being able to pry him from them would be Burns + Chark (since he was there last year) for Williams and picks. But even that is more of a pipe dream since they are going to need to give an extension to Hutchinson after next season and that would be a lot of money to tie up in two DE's as opposed to having a potentially elite WR on a rookie deal.

I'd bet that Palmer is re-signed and likely Allen too on a slight hometown discount. Palmer seems to have a nice connection with Herbert, I don't think they'll want to break that up. I also want nothing to do with Williams, great talent and is absolutely a game changer, but the guy is a walking injury waiting to happen. Even when he's not missing games and able to play, he's constantly banged up and not going into games at 100%. Plus, he'll turn 30 a month into next season, he's older than you'd think at first guess. I'd rather go after someone like Courtland Sutton who would be cheaper and a year younger

Only need to pick one, game changer. What I was talking about there was purely in regards to "overpaying" for someone, and if we do that, they need to be young enough to be here a while. But I'm fine spending market value for a game changer who might be in their late 20's or even 30, I just wouldn't "overspend" for someone at that age. Essentially I'm saying I'd be fine overspending for someone like Higgins or even a Devonta Smith if the Eagles decide they don't want to, or just can't, pay for 2 big dollar WRs (not saying I think he'll specifically be available, but those type of players have become available in recent offseasons like Tyreek or Brown). But if someone like a Davante Adams was willing to come here and not complain and be a distraction, I wouldn't have issue paying market value even though he's older, as it's less about paying for the WR as much as it is paying for Bryce's development.

Diggs wants to win and catch a ton of passes, not one without the other. Right now we literally are the worst fit in the NFL for him, we suck and we don't have the QB to get him the ball the way he'd like. It would go down like the Hindenburg, and that's before even considering the fact that there is no trade we could make with the Bills to make them do that.

This one is different, almost everyone was begging the team to lock him up before the season started, it just seems clear that he wants more than this team is going to pay, so we want to get a trade done now as opposed to an ugly franchise tag and hold out possibility.

It's just simply that he's a savvy vet who puts in the work in the film room, he's able to recognize coverages and knows how to run his routes to find the space. Nothing tricky about it, it's why we signed him, so he could hopefully also be a partial coach to the young WRs and teach him everything he's learned over his career.