tukafan21

Higgins (or another #1) on the outside, Mingo on the other side, Thielen in the slot, and a Curtis Samuel type in the other slot as our top 4 and I'm good with that. Take a new TE in the 3rd this year as Hurst isn't it That's a passing game I can work with

Oh I agree on CMC, I hated it at the time and hate it even more now. And not making the smart trade because we're afraid we'll screw up the draft pick is just a poor way to view it. We just have to hope that we'll make the right draft picks, can't make the wrong calls because we're afraid of making a worse one.

Other coaches and players have talked about how they have to game plan specifically for him. Sometimes they just screw up a play call or protection package, there is no way they went into the week saying, "we only need to put an RB on Burns most plays, that will do"

Please, give me whatever you're smoking, that's some bomb stuff

Because all reports were that he was looking for top pass rusher money And if he wasn't looking for that, we'd have been able to get a deal done with him already Combine the two and it's pretty easy to tell he's asking for that and more than we are willing to pay him.

Seattle just traded a 2nd and 5th for a rest of the year rental in a 29 year old Leonard Williams at DT You really don't think a team who thinks they're a pass rusher away from winning a SB will give up two Firsts that they hope to be picks 32 for a 25 year old Burns?!?! 100% someone will... we'll get 2 firsts or 1 first and 1 high level starter for him.

They may get there, but they're not there yet. And you don't not target someone because there are younger players, who aren't available in any deal, who might be better than him in a couple years, that's just weird. Also in a few years, some of the guys above Higgins on that list will age out and fall below him, like a Mike Evans lol. Higgins is only 24, turns 25 in January, make him the focal point of an offense and he very well could take a leap and be a Top 10 guy, he has that kind of talent and potential.

Oh of course, that is 100% predicated on Bryce wanting Jameson. You don't make that trade for a guy with what, 5 NFL catches?, unless Bryce wants him because of their connection in his Heisman season, but I expect he'd want him.

I think Higgins and Evans are similar but Higgins has a tad more side to side movement to him while Evans is a little bigger/stronger to hold off DBs on jump balls better. Yes, similar and Higgins isn't the fast twitch guy I'd really like to get, but if we can't get one of them, I'd rather overpay to get the younger and maybe slightly shiftier Higgins over Evans.

The trade I've wanted to make for a while is Burns + TMJ (get him back with Burrow/Chase) for Higgins and a 1st And if they don't want to pay Burns, trade Burns for 2 Firsts (yes, I think we can get that) and trade one of them to the Bengals for Higgins after they tag him. The other trade I'd like to make is Burns + Chark to the Lions for Jameson Williams + First + Fourth

Fantasy Football #2 is not NFL #2 There are not 32 WRs better than Higgins in the league right now, he's probably in that 15th best WR range. That's a #2 in fantasy but a #1 in real football Not every team can get a Top 10 WR, sure I'd love one, but that seems difficult unless a DK type player becomes available due to contracts.

Agreed, one of my other posts I said he's more in the mold of a Evans, but 6 years younger and a little more shifty, which is why I'd rather overpay to get him than Evans right now.

Unless we're getting Marvin Harrison (which wouldn't happen), in no world am I giving up a probably Top 15, potentially Top 10 pick in 2025 along with our top 2024 pick to take a WR in the middle of the first round. From what I've read, this is supposed to be one of the deepest 1st round WR drafts in a long time, should be one worth taking mid to late first if we can get one without giving up our 2025 pick. We still don't know what Bryce is going to be and we're already looking at giving away a top 5 pick in a generational talent QB class, we can't give up the next year's first at this time.

He's still not a Tyreek, Chase, Jefferson, Diggs, Lamb, Waddle, type of player, that's more of who we need to go after. It's not just the straight line speed, it's the stop/start quick twitch speed that we need to get Bryce. I just think Evans is more of a better version of Thielen/Mingo in terms of style of play, we need to add a different type of player to be that #1 and have versatility in our pass catchers, not a bunch of the same style guys. Higgins isn't quite those guys either, but I think he's closer to it than Evans, and like 6 years younger, which is why I'd rather overpay to get him than go after Evans, it's about overall roster construction.

That's fair and I agree it's a premium position. And if we had a legitimate way to get a true #1 WR while also signing Burns to a reasonable long term contract, then I'm fully on board. But I just don't see that path, as per the thread I just started this evening, I think Burns is the only realistic asset to get us a true #1 WR for next season. And if it's one or the other, I'm taking that WR for Bryce 100 times out 100, without hesitation or a second thought.

Having long plays isn't the same as having the quick twitch speed WR that we need out there. His long plays aren't because he uses his speed to out run a DB in a foot race, it's generally because he's just a GREAT deep ball catcher because of his size and ability to go up and high point the ball before a smaller DB can make a play on it.

I'll unfortunately be joining you there in a couple years myself

No, I don't insult posters who have different opinions I insult specific posts that don't have realistic opinions based on things like available players, salary cap, and a reasonable understanding of how NFL teams can operate and build a roster. And wow, the fact that you're 34 is surprising to me, you probably should have just let us assume you were a kid, you got more of a pass thinking that.

You also aren't beating the best teams in the NFL if you can't put up points You're right, resources need to be put into pass rushing, but with what we spent to get Bryce, his development is not only the #1 priority of this franchise right now, it's also the #2, 3, 4, 5 priority right now. If he busts because we can't give him the weapons he needs, then it's all for naught and having a high priced pro bowl caliber pass rusher won't mean jack squat. Bad NFL teams aren't fixed overnight or in one offseason, they take time to build them up properly And an elite pass rusher is what you need to put teams over the top into SB contention, not to help rebuild around a rookie QB with questionable physical attributes.

Not saying Odell in particular was the answer to our WR problems (particularly because at his contract number and current ability, he wouldn't have been), but the irony is that's exactly the type of WR we could have used this year. One who wouldn't get frustrated at losing as long as they were getting fed the ball on a constant basis. Because even with a true #1, we weren't going to be winning all too much this year, but they'd have been fed the ball by Bryce from day 1 and thus wouldn't be a locker room or sideline distraction, they'd be happy.

Well, that's the problem, it's clear he's not going away and I just can't stand to read some of the most asinine takes I've ever seen on a message board without calling them out, and that's saying something, I've seen some horrific suggestions on boards in the past. But you're also right, I'm pretty sure he's a kid, no way he's older than say 20ish, grew up on Madden and doesn't understand how real football is played or executed from a front office standpoint.

Tell me you don't know football without telling me you don't know football ^^^^^^^^^^^ Teams are going to double team a MLB who only occasionally rushes the passer on blitzes?!?! Literal nonsense comment

Good player, wrong style of game for what we need to give Bryce. Thielen and Mingo are both possession WRs, sure Evans is better than them at it, but no point in adding redundancy for the sake of adding a better WR, need to add complimentary players to what we already have.

Yep, but without a 1st, we can't do that until 2025 and we can't wait that long for Bryce's development. Again, that's where Burns comes in as I fully expect he can get us the two 1sts that come with the tag. If we can't flip the 1st for an established WR, we can use it to take one in this draft and then still have another future 1st in our pocket.

Oh 100%, I wouldn't be against finding a way to trade for him right now, I think his speed is very much what we need for Bryce. But he's not the outside #1 WR that we need.