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That play might be the perfect representation of this season

Noodle arm can't drive the ball You can't contend with a QB who can only throw touch passes

This one has nothing to do with T-Mac, I'd be saying this same thing if it was XL, a player I was calling for us to trade at the deadline because I think he's a bust. It just happened to be T-Mac on the play, but it has literally nothing to do with him, it's plain as day that no player was catching that ball on purpose, it would have needed to be deflected directly into them.

Well looking like he's finally going to crack 200 yards for the 2nd time this season. Guess we'll have another week of people going back to thinking Bryce can be our long term solution again

No, you have not, but it's okay, just keep sounding dumb

In THAT specific situation, then yes it would have been. If he adjusted his hands/arms/body to make that catch given where it was tipped and that he was already diving for the ball, it would have been one of the most insane catches ever. It's not about tipped passes not being able to be caught, it's the totality of him diving one direction and the ball getting tipped a good foot (if not more) in the opposite direction, all maybe 2 feet in front of him. It's just not possible to react and adjust THAT much in THAT short of a distance. Again, the only way that ball is getting caught is if it was tipped directly into his arm/body and that allowed him to bring it in, he was never adjusting to it given the situation.

Seriously People have said I have an agenda to defend T-Mac no matter what, but if anyone can look at that play and think there was even a 1% chance he should have adjusted to make that catch, then they have a bigger anti T-Mac agenda than my pro T-Mac views. Just lunacy to think he could have adjusted to that one, the defender just made a great play, it happens.

No they wouldn't There is no way in hell a player is reacting to that ball tipped just in front of them and changing the trajectory as much as it did. The ONLY way a player is catching that is if the tip caused it to hit him in the body/arm and because of it he was able to secure it. But in no world is any player in the history of the sport making that catch because they were able to adjust to the tip pass and purposefully catch it on it's new trajectory, not with him already diving/going down and extending for the ball.

No, this is nothing like that, it just flat out was a ball that no player is making, like absolutely insane to think he even could have caught it, let alone saying he SHOULD have caught it

There isn't a player in the game that was making that catch. He was literally diving for the ball and it was tipped 2 feet in front of him and altered the path of the ball by a good foot or so behind his diving outstretched hand. It only "looked catchable" when watched in super slow motion, but I don't think even race car drivers (who have obscene reaction time) could have reacted in time to that one.

And right on cue LOL Guy was diving for a pass and 2 feet before the ball got to him it was tipped and completely changed the trajectory of the pass. But sure, he "dropped" it, SMH

Just waiting for people to say T-Mac should have caught it since it went "right through his arms" lol

But but but I was told he was too slow to make big YAC plays

Hope not, we have no creativity in our offense, not play design or calls. If we at least had those things, I could be on board with seeing him for another year with a better QB, but I've seen enough to feel like he doesn't have what it takes to be a great HC.

How is it THAT clear that a specific player was blitzing and they still have nobody even think about picking him up?!?!

Totally different when you're talking about an RB decision, especially when one was already on the team and was a 1,000 yard rusher himself last year. And I guarantee you are wrong, professional athletes look at their teammates like brothers and are willing to go to the mat for them when they believe in them, even more so when you're talking about a QB. Those same eyes would see them still losing with the guy they just picked up off the street and don't know at all vs the guy they've been in the thick of it with for the last few seasons and look at as a family member. They would understand moving on from him in the offseason, but benching him for a guy you sign off the street more than halfway through the season is entirely different.

Fair, but having had a more successful career to date doesn't mean we would be more likely to win games 11 through 17 this season with them as our starting QB. We'd are able to do other things, but they still wouldn't be as good as we would be with Bryce. There is a formula we can win with Bryce as our starter, but it requires a good running game, a good defense, and Bryce making just enough of his rare shining great plays to get us those wins. It sucks for us to watch as fans, and I understand the desire to see more. But I think sticking with Bryce is what is best for the franchise long term. It keeps the guys together as a family who is playing for each other. That way when we move on from Bryce and maybe Canales, the new HC and QB will come into a locker room that is still together, rather one that fell apart over the last 2 months of the year because we benched Bryce for a guy off the street and still sucked.

100% someone would sign him with the hope of him being their backup next year as their reclamation project, just like Darnold and Jones in recent years. In fact, I could very well see the Vikings or 49ers sign him as a 3rd QB, or even as a PS guy because Bryce would know those guys have had a reputation of late for fixing guys with the bust label.

Nope, you ride it out on the rims I said it in another post, but if you do that and then Canales can get just one good looking game out of some scrub QB we just signed, it could be just like Bryce's couple good games late last year and Canales is brought back too. Only way you do that is if you're also firing Canales at the same time so you eliminate that possibility.

Again, I'm clearly no Bryce defender, but even I'll say that I think we have a better chance of winning with Bryce at QB than someone who isn't currently on an NFL roster. And more importantly, I think the players would believe that as well. Bryce is not good and I don't think he should be a starting QB in this league. But there is no way a player not good enough to be on a roster right now is a better option if you're trying to win games. If you want to make the argument that they will have a better arm and we'll be able to throw passes we can't currently with Bryce. Then yea, I would be 100% in agreement, but that's a totally different argument, and one I wouldn't be against if they have the type of arm who can do what I wanted Jameis for, and to pepper our young play makers with targets at all levels for them to see those passes in games and get better. The problem is I'm not sure any of those guys really have that type of arm or mentality to do it properly, and thus I don't think it's a path worth taking after 10 weeks of the season.

I'm not denying that. But we're not talking about bringing in some elite level QB to replace him this year, we're talking about bringing in a guy off the street who can't stay on a roster. That's not really going to help this team much, if at all. Do you really think doing that to a QB they like is going to not piss them off? I get it, damned if you do, damned if you don't. But I think you'd lose the locker room significantly faster by benching the guy they like for a scrub off the street they don't know. They'd rather just play out the year with their brother and then start fresh the next year than still getting our asses kicked with a guy they don't know under Center.

Another reason I don't like these ideas, is that I'm 100% sold on Canales NOT being a good HC and someone we should keep around. Bring in a scrub off the street and Canales is able to turn in one or two great late season performances, and you're staring at exactly the type of thing Tepper would need to be convinced to give him one more season next year. How do I know this? Because it's EXACTLY what happened last year to have Bryce brought back for this terrible season. It's time to move on and turn the page from the Bryce and Canales era, just ride it out this year and start fresh next year.

The fans have given up, but I do not think the players have. Just winning 3 of 4 leading into this game, and then players accepting responsibility and not excusing away the terrible game has shown the locker room hasn't been lost. This is the latest into the season our locker room hasn't been lost since the Wilks season, and then it was lost early due to Rhule and then re-gained late in the season. It's actually the one thing I like about Canales, that he seems to have forced a complete 180 in our locker room culture in his almost 2 years in charge here now. That's still not good enough for me to want us to bring him back next year, as I think he's pretty bad in most other aspects of the job, but it was still something badly needed for this franchise.

It's not something you want to happen, but again, it happens on every team in every sport and every season. Sometimes it doesn't cost your team the game and just makes a great team have a close game against a bad team, but it happens. How do you think the Bills lost to the Dolphins this week? Same thing, they figured it was an easy win, probably didn't give their 110% attention/effort in the week leading into the game, expecting it to be a cake walk blowout win. And again, I'm not saying this is a good thing or that I'm happy it happened, but to pretend this is some groundbreaking revelation that is unheard of, is just asinine, it's the exact opposite of that, it's expected and mundane.

Totally fair points, but I think it's being overlooked that the locker room seems to genuinely like and believe in Bryce. You sign a guy off the street and bench Bryce for them, you're going to lose the locker room in an instant and it will cause much bigger problems moving forward than just putting up with Bryce the rest of the year. And yes, that would be way better for T-Mac's production, but as I've said all year long, while I want to see T-Mac succeed, I'm not rooting for that over the team itself and in particular, our long term outlook. So like I said above, I think that would be great for T-Mac's production, but terrible for the overall locker room and team morale, which would lead into an ugly offseason. You just have to let Bryce finish out the year as it's what will keep the players engaged and caring, benching their guy is a good way to get players to quit and/or just be pissed at the organization. If this is in Week 3 or something, it's a different scenario, but there are only 7 games left in the season, we're pot committed and just need to play out our hand at this point.