tukafan21

Love threw for 273 yards, so no, Bryce doesn't get a pass because of the wind

I will absolutely give them credit for holding a great offense to just 13 points, credit is due to them for that, no doubt about it. But I will also point out how we didn't force them to punt one time all game either. Which is also why I feel like the Packers lost this game more than we won it, missed FG and a few bad turnovers cost them the game, and not sure I'd say we forced them into those things, maybe the fumble, but not the INT or missed kick, bad throw/play call, bad kick.

If we're keeping Rico, it means giving him a sizable contract while also taking a cap hit on moving Hubbard. If we do that, our back up RBs next year are Brooks and Etienne, you can't sink more cap room into the position after that.

There is no good solution to the Rico situation. Trade him and we're trading the only thing working for this offense right now. Keep him around and watch him leave for a big contract in FA and we got nothing in return for him in what will be another non playoff season. Keep him around and sign him to a big extension while cutting/trading Hubbard and taking the cap hit on top of the Rico contract, and we're putting even more cap resources into the RB position. Leave it to the Panthers to find a diamond in the rough in FA and it somehow only lead to lose-lose-lose long term situations.

This... This is ALL they are seeing and nothing else... There are far too many fans (in all sports) that can't see past wins and losses and attribute all good (or bad) things to them. If you win, everything is fine, if you lose, nothing is okay, even if what actually is happening on the field is the exact opposite.

I get what you're saying, but you kinda prove my point by saying "overlook it" Which means in reality, you agree with what I'm saying but are just upset at me for not being able to ignore it and "just be happy" because we won. You guys see a win where we still don't look good. I see it as a win that gives me no actual increased hope for the future because I didn't see anything that makes me think we're actually improving as a team. I don't want to celebrate an 8-9 season where we end the season with more questions about our future than answers. Would you extend Bryce right now? Would you give Canales a contract extension? I said it before the season started, I cared about one thing this year (or two depending if you view them together or separate). I wanted to see Bryce and Canales improve at their respective jobs, and I haven't seen that out of either of them, let alone enough improvement to want to keep them around long term. And that is why games like today frustrate me more than I can celebrate a win. Because I don't see how they're actually setting us up for future success, and that concerns the hell out of me.

And not being concerned about our QB still looking this bad in his 3rd season is?????? They're not mutually exclusive, you can celebrate the win while still being concerned and speaking your mind about it. I've never one time said I'm not happy that we won, I've never one time this season said I wish we'd have lost a game. All I'm doing is giving my objective opinion about what I've seen on the field, regardless of the Win/Loss result, and everyone tries to tell me what I'm trying to say instead of just taking my words at face value for what I'm saying.

Totally fair, but I also have not one time complained about winning these games, not once. Everyone keeps saying I'm upset because it's hurting our draft stock, but I've never once said anything close to that, because it's not at all accurate. I'm frustrated that we're 9 games into Canales' 2nd season and Bryce's 3rd, and yet we still just look like crap. Here is a good way to explain how I'm viewing things right now, despite it being an odd way to describe it. If someone took today's game put all the drives in a random order and removed all scoring plays (so you can't keep score yourself) and said, "watch this game and tell me what team won the game and your general feeling on each team" Not a single person would watch the game and say that we were the better team, or even that we played well. And THAT is my problem with the team, because we just flat out look bad still, wins aside. And yes, I acknowledge that good teams still find ways to win when they don't look good. But at some point you need to look good while doing so or you're never going to actually make the playoffs (or if you somehow find a way to, you're going to get crushed by a legit good team). Too many fans keep celebrating wins because they're wins, and ignoring how we actually look on the field.

He's a former #1 overall pick more than halfway through his 3rd season. Sorry, but we're LONG past the time to "worry about Bryce later"

Winning solves out problems at QB? If anything, it only compounds them because it's going to trick the front office into giving said QB an extension, despite him barely able to crack 100 yards passing.

"in spite of it being a win" is the key statement there. I DO NOT CARE ABOUT WINS AND LOSSES THIS YEAR How many times do I have to say that for it to be understood? We've been poo for a decade. Empty wins mean nothing to me. Show improvement on the fuging field. Period. Wins do NOT equal improvement, wins equal wins. Losses equal losses. Improvement equals improvement. Show improvement in a win and I'm going to be happy and celebrate it. Show improvement in a loss and I'll be happy (but maybe not "celebrate" it). But win or lose while still not showing improvement and looking like a bad football team and I'm going to call it out for what I see, bad football where the other team was even worse on that particular Sunday.

perfectionist? You think I'm frustrated because we weren't perfect?!?!?! The Packers had 104 yards more of total offense, we only beat them because they had 2 TO's to our 1 combined when them scoring on only 1 of their 5 trips to the red zone. That's getting lucky, not showing improvement. Sorry if that upsets you and other people when I call that out. Show major improvement in a game we still lose, and I'll be the first person to congratulate the staff/players that had a great game. But I'm not going to kiss their ass in a game we won because the other team was worse than we were in critical areas.

No, I worry about us not improving on the field while Bryce continues to look like a bust week after week. Period. Go back and find my posts from before the season, I spent all offseason talking about how I don't care about wins or losses, all I want to see is actual on field improvement this season, particularly from Bryce. Bryce looks just as bad as ever and I see no on field improvement other than Canales not forcing Hubbard carries today, and that one thing is not good enough to satisfy my desire for seeing improvement.

So let's say the wind blew that kick wide, which nobody could have faulted any player or coach about given the conditions. Then we lose in OT. Would you still say progress was being made? Or is it SOLELY because of the W when looking at the schedule? That's not some crazy hypothetical, it's a very fair question to ask, and it's what ALL of my comments right now are based in. I've actually credited Canales multiple times in recent weeks about him turning the culture of the team around. But none of that matters if we're not seeing actual on field improvement, as they're just hollow wins that might make some fans feel good in the moment, but they aren't wins that will help us in the future. And yes, I think this win is VERY different than those Wilks/Foreman lead wins. Because we looked like competent NFL teams in those wins, something I don't see right now when watching this team. I see a team that is rightfully giving it to the hot hand at RB, but making countless other mistakes and looking dreadful in the passing game week after week.

When we still miss the playoffs and go into next year with Bryce still as our QB and he still sucks. People like you are not allowed to complain that he hasn't improved yet in his 4th season in the league. If you can't objectively look at what you're seeing on the field and acknowledge that we are winning in spite of things like looking like a real NFL team, then you don't get to complain when those problems rear their ugly head and bite us in the ass in the future. You know it's okay to both celebrate a win while acknowledging the issues you see, but sticking your head in the sand isn't going to help either.

Except we are winning games without actually improving on the field. If you can't see why that is a problem, then I can't help you. We have a #1 draft pick going out there in his 3rd season and barely able to break 100 yards passing week in and week out. But sure, let's go all crazy over a win that was more or less given to us by the other team's mistakes.

100% However, I don't see today as a game "we won" as much as one "the Packers lost", disagree if you want, but outside of us actually getting the win, I'm not sure how anyone can watch that game today and say we played better than they did.

So, point out extremely valid points with a question for a response and this is your answer. Basically saying I'm correct and that you're going to stick your head in the sand about all the issues we still show week in and week out because we got a W in the standings. I'll bet you'll be the first person complaining about how bad we looked the next time we get our asses kicked when we play this exact same way.

But please tell me why that is a great sign? When actual good teams win their blah games, it's great because it helps them in the standings and they know they're a better team than that, and they'll play better in the future. Outside of the Falcons game, we haven't had a complete game all season long. And outside of the Falcons, Dolphins, and Cowboys games, we haven't looked good on offense at all this year. THAT is why I don't understand how people can seriously say "that is a great sign" when we're 6 for 9 in putting up dud offensive performances. Again, if your ONLY goal is to be considered in the playoff hunt, then sure, great win. But if you want to actually see improvement on the field, then I have no idea what you watched today, because there was none other than Canales not forcing Hubbard into the game.

We won, the game is over. Now tell me how squeaking out a win where we looked like crap in most aspects of the game helps us moving forward? If your only goal is to be in the playoff hunt, then sure, it helps because we won the game. But I'm actually looking for the team to improve how they play and how the coaching staff operates. There was only one good thing about how we looked today, and that was Rico, a player who is more likely to be traded in the next 2 days than he is to be on the roster next season. (and no, I don't think he'll get traded, but I think there is a better chance of that than him being signed to an extension given the interest he's likely to get by other teams). This is all fools gold unless the only thing you look at is the standings, if you watch the actual game, not sure how you get excited after that game. Which isn't being a Debbie downer, it's just being a realist and having an unbiased opinion about what you witnessed.

No, because we still looked like crap for the most part today and won because the Packers couldn't stop from stepping on their own dick. We won, but not sure how anyone can take anything away from today's game other than the W that gives them any confidence moving forward.

4th and 3 and we have our DB's lined up 10 yards beyond the LOS??!?!?! WTF!?!?!??!

Yep, let's keep throwing end zone passes to our WR with bricks for hands instead of the player with the best hands on the team (earlier drop aside)

Exactly, they sent him in motion to the empty side of the field hoping to draw the defenses eye, and then threw a quick pass out to the opposite side. Canales trying to fool the defense instead of just throwing the obvious pass to our best receiver.

He's been doing this all season, in obvious situations we should be throwing to T-Mac, like 3rd and short-ish there, we use him as a decoy route and never even have Bryce look his way, hoping to fool the defense. Sometimes your best play is just throwing to your best player, not using them as a decoy, but 9 games in and Canales still can't figure that out yet.