tukafan21

Wasn't he the one pick we made utilizing the draft picks we got out of the CMC trade other than using the rest to get Bryce? So we traded CMC and Moore for a guy we've already cut and Bryce? Awesome

I think too many Panthers fans are already so used to seeing the amazing catches he's able to make, so they're chalking up the ones he isn't able to make as drops. I could be wrong, but I only remember 2 actual drops (maybe a 3rd) from him all season so far, the rest were just plays he almost made a great play but was unable to, which isn't a drop.

I know exactly how this week is going to go since I'll have T-Mac, Waddle, and Gordon in my fantasy lineup this week. T-Mac gets doubled on every play because we have nobody else to fear and has low stats. Without Hill, now Horn shadows Waddle and takes him out of the game with even worse stats than T-Mac. So they kill us with Achane in the short passing game and they never get into goal line situations so Gordon doesn't get me a TD.

At worst, he'll be great to line up in the slot next to T-Mac and then send him on go-routes as it will keep the safety from helping out against T-Mac

Just because it hasn't worked out for us, doesn't mean it's the wrong type of coach to hire. Most HC's fail in the end, and many of them sooner rather than later. But we fell for a snake oil salesmen in Rhule, then hired someone with a vision and didn't let them draft the QB they wanted and gave him a very quick hook because of it, and then hired someone who maybe had a chance at being decent, but got saddled with busted ass Bryce as his QB. Failed execution doesn't mean it was the wrong idea, don't let past mistakes trick you into a poor decision for your future.

No, Ron only looked liked it worked because of Cam, so when his shoulder got smoked, it all fell apart quickly. He was a GREAT Monday to Saturday coach, his players loved him and would run through a brick wall for him. But he was one of the worst game day coaches I've ever seen, terrible clock management, overall decision making, and a complete inability to adjust mid-game to anything. We always won in spite of Rivera, not because of him, I was calling for us to replace him with McDermott even after we went 15-1, because I felt like we had coaching mistakes all season long, but Cam's magical season bailed him out time and time again. He built a reputation as Riverboat Ron because his job was on the line and he made a handful of decisions that any good coach would have made, not because he was some gambler. Dan Campbell is actually who the NFL media thought Ron Rivera was.

You really can't bench him at this point unless you also don't even dress him. Benching Bryce and then being forced to play him again and him looking even serviceable like last year, would be the absolute worst thing possible, because then it just creates more uncertainty. And once you bench him for Dalton, it's signaling to the rest of the team that you're just throwing in the towel too. This is a really bad situation with no good way out of it this year.

Tepper thinks he knows better than the Morgan's and Canales' of the world. Hence why I'm saying he needs to drop the blank check needed to steal away a SB winning GM, someone he will KNOW he doesn't know more than, and in turn, will be forced to sit back and let them run things how they see fit. Use that big wallet to force yourself to not think you're better than the people you hired.

Ron Rivera That's why you don't go defensive, because if they turn things around like you hope, they're too good of a coach to fire but not bad enough to warrant being fired. Defensive minded HC's usually only work when you have a true elite QB paired with them, so the changing of OC's doesn't hurt as bad, such as the Bills with McDermott and Allen. Since the turn of the Century, the following are the only SB winning HC's who come from a defensive background.... Belichick, Harbaugh, Tomlin, Cowher, and Carroll. So sure, if you're telling me we're going to hire a HOF lock of a HC, then I'm in. But if you don't land a defensive minded HC like that, you're not going to be consistently successful.

I'm still not sure how true that still is. Yes, early on he was VERY hands on and it was well known. But the last 2 years, he hasn't been overt about being hands on, and if anything, it APPEARS like he's finally taken a hands off approach. Now, sure, maybe he's still meddling, but you ALWAYS knew that Snyder was involved, and right now, Panthers fans are just assuming that Tepper still is, but we honestly have no way of knowing.

Well sure, but that's my point. Since you can't do it on the field because of the salary cap, front office and coaching staff is the only way a deep pocket owner can really give his team an advantage that other teams don't have. Which is why Tepper being an idiot is the problem, and why if he pays the money needed to steal a true elite level GM, he'd be forced to remove himself, as I'm quite sure that would be a stipulation for said GM to consider taking the job.

That's all fair too. I'm just saying that if you have success with a defensive minded HC, you're much more likely to have some down years because of offensive scheme changes than you would be the other way around. Teams can change defensive schemes and still have success year to year MUCH easier than offensively.

It's for Tepper to do the ONE thing a super rich owner can actually do to tilt things in their favor because of their bank roll. You put a blank check on the table of elite GM's like Howie Roseman and you don't allow them to say no. Then you step aside and just let them gut and re-build the roster and coaching staff.

meh, it's a bit disingenuous because it counts 3 interim coaches. Having said that, the last 2 weeks of play calling has completely soured me on even giving Canales another year, I'm now over him, time to clean house this offseason. Anyone on the roster or front office that isn't named McMillan, Horn, or Brown should be on the chopping block.

I wasn't saying we have never been that bad, I was saying that when you keep getting picks in the back half of the Top 10, it's when you are at risk of getting stuck in NFL purgatory.

Completely disagree, in today's NFL, you should always be hiring offensive minded HC's. It's much easier to replace good DC's than good OC's, and you're not going to be a good team if you have a defensive minded HC and a bad OC. So when you go defensive minded for the HC, if you're lucky enough to have a successful season or two, you're then going to lose your OC and have to re-start things on that side of the ball again. With an offensive minded HC, even if you lose your OC, you are still keeping the offensive scheme and continuity.

A 5 yard touch throw to the corner is about the only throw he is actually able to make at a high level, as it doesn't require a strong arm, it doesn't require processing the pass rush, it's taking the snap and immediately throwing a muscle memory touch pass to a place where only your 6'5" WR has a chance to catch it.

T-Mac, Horn, and DB are legit cornerstone building blocks on each side of the ball. Unfortunately, having only 3 building blocks is going to have you as one of the worst teams in the league.

I genuinely don't even think we end up inside the Top 5 of the draft. At some point (if not even next week) they're going to have to bench Bryce and Dalton will end up winning a couple games and sticking us yet again in that dreaded 7th-9th pick range. It's NFL purgatory, never good enough to contend, never bad enough to get the elite QB prospects

It's not even about T-Mac's chances, it's not even that I want it for my fantasy team. It's that through 4 weeks we haven't thrown that pass a single time. This game was over, nothing that happened on that play mattered for the game, it was the perfect opportunity to run that play for the first time and we didn't. It really just doesn't make sense to have a player like him, to have probably around 15-20 snaps already this year where we could have called the play, and we haven't, not one time. It makes ZERO sense.

fug off Canales I don't even care that we got the TD, a jump ball to T-Mac is literally our likely best play in the entire playbook and we haven't called it one time this season.

I swear, if we don't throw a jump ball to T-Mac here on 4th down, I'm going to lose my freaking mind. 4th game of the year, we've had snaps inside the 10 in every game, and we haven't thrown that pass one time all fuging season.

Canales had his chance to move on from Bryce after the benching last year, everyone would have understood trading him at that point, and if Canales wasn't willing to bet his HC career on Bryce, he should have demanded we trade him at that point. Once he came back and played halfway serviceable, it then tied Canales to Bryce. Clean house this offseason and start from scratch to build around T-Mac, Horn, DB

Agree and I've said all this a million times, but all of it is also beyond the point now. He's unfortunately our QB, you can't turn down opportunities like last week to let him play loose with an open playbook and hope it can help him gain confidence. Yet another DC failure, only this one came in a 30 point shutout win.