tukafan21

Except the Chicago example is apples to oranges Drawing a blank on who made that swap with Chicago, but they were never taking a QB there, it was either keep the pick for a different position or trade it to someone else. This is 2 teams both openly knowing taking QB's, for Houston to make a swap, they'd have to pay up for that reason. So comparing it to the Chicago example is just not even in the same stratosphere.

lol a mid round pick?!?!?! I'm sorry, but if we flip picks with the Texans and only get a mid round pick for doing so, then Fitterer should be fired immediately. If we weren't taking a player of the same position, sure it makes sense, but that's not the case. Hell, the mid round pick wouldn't be worth just it rubbing whichever player we end up drafting the wrong way. I'd be pissed if I was that QB and the team didn't take me 1st overall just to pick up like a 3rd round pick. Would make me think I was a consolation prize for who the Texans didn't want, not that the Panthers wanted me, cause if they REALLY wanted me, they wouldn't have risked losing me to pick up a 3rd round pick. #2, #12, and their 2nd or next year's 1st, anything less and they can go kick rocks while we take our QB #1 overall.

I've long said the only way I'm even picking up the phone from the Texans is if it begins with #2 and #12, then the discussion is whether it's also this year's 2nd or next year's 1st coming along in the trade. If they want to jump us to draft the QB of their choice before we do, they have to pay thru the freaking nose. I also really only do that if the team is confident that the Texans are taking the player we wouldn't have been taking anyways. The position is too important to not take your #1 guy on the board, even if getting additional assets out of it, making the right pick is more important.

But if you know you're going to get it, do it early and get it for $250. But unless you barely ordered anything when going to a bar for games, you're getting it way cheaper this way. Since the pandemic I just started finding free streams of the games since it worked that first year and just been easier since, but before that I'd go to the bar and usually spend at least $25, if not upwards of $40 or more if I had an extra beer or two than usual. If you factor in a couple Panthers games being either national or available for you if out of market, and say you needed to go to the bar for 15 games a year, at only $25 spent each week, that's still $25 more than the $350 price, and if you sign up earlier, that's another $100 saved. All that isn't even considering any other games you could watch if wanted, such as for fantasy purposes. This seems like a great deal.

Never been more convinced that the team likes Stroud. Too many people popping up the last few days saying Young is the guy. No way that many people would have legitimate enough sources given the few people who will be involved in the final decision. Feels like a purposeful leak by the team to try and scare the Texans into giving up something dumb to swap picks (which I’m still gain at unless it’s for 2, 12, and either 2024 first or 2nd rounder this year).

I think Horn ends up with 0 I think the pick will be Stroud and he’ll be given #7 by Shaq, he won’t even ask for anything in return. Shaq is only back because we worked out a new deal instead of cutting him. For a rookie QB #1 pick, I think he’ll just give it to him, seems like a vet move he’d make.

Right, which is exactly why in the end, it's kinda the team's fault because all they had to do was yell at the league and/or Nike and it would have been fixed years ago. The team chooses our colors, now the manufacturer the league decides to give a contract to

Of course it does It doesn't matter that the league decided to go with Nike over Reebok, once that change happened, the team should have forced Nike/NFL to make sure they can produce our proper team colors. It's absurd to think that we just have to settle with what they had, this is the freaking NFL, there are 32 teams, don't make a deal with a uniform supplier if they can't deliver proper colors for those 32 teams. Don't think for a second this has nothing to do with the team, if they wanted to, this would have been done for year 1, not that hard to force them to make our uniforms in the correct color scheme.

Can he play WR? Honestly, short of every possible WR who could be drafted in that range already gone, I really won't be happy with any other position in the 2nd, it's by far our weakest position right now (assuming you don't count QB of course), which is not a great situation for a rookie QB to step into.

Count me on board for these, really sharp looking jerseys. Not a huge fan of the whites for some reason, can't pinpoint why, but those black and blues are both really great.

Seriously, this is the freaking NFL, it shouldn’t be hard to get the team color correct. Knew the blue in recent years was slightly different, but figured it was a purposeful choice for some reason, not laziness on Nike and pathetic on the team to not make them get it right.

Sweet jesus this is going to be a long 3 weeks. Levis was a fine option at #9, once we made the trade up to #1 it became a 2 horse race. Stop trying to make Levis or AR a possibility, it won't happen.

Hate when they do a logo on one side and the number on the other, so easily pass on that aspect. On the big logo like that... I like it, in a vacuum like it's mocked up here. But in real life I don't think it would be a good idea with the helmet designs that are being used these days by many players. I think with some of those new helmets, a logo like that would look super funky on some players.

This shouldn’t be hard to not screw up. Give me black standard helmets with a white alternate. No gradients anywhere, not in the helmet, jersey, or numbers. Don’t do the crappy college/XFL looking idea of the team name as a tramp stamp on the pants like the Dolphins. Keep some form of a shoulder stripe, but move it down to the side of the sleeve instead of on the shoulder to allow for normal sized shoulder numbers instead of the weird tiny ones.

The Lamar situation is starting to feel a bit like Dennis Schroeder with the Lakers a few years ago. Turned down a MONSTER contract extension expecting to get a bigger one in free agency. Ending up needing to take a 1 year prove it deal in the cheap, was exposed for not being as good as he thought, and lost out on a crazy amount of money that he’ll now never get. If Lamar doesn’t end up signing a big deal before the season starts and can’t make it thru the season healthy, again, this is going to be the biggest fumbling of a bag in sports history.

3 weeks at most fellas, not that hard to wait that long lol If we're getting new uniforms, they'll be unveiled at the very latest the second we make that draft pick. No chance we take a QB at #1 and have him take a picture holding a jersey that we're going to be replacing before he ever steps on the field.

If they were the same size, then yea, I'm probably taking Young, but not by a wide margin at all, it would still be very close. As I've said numerous times, size isn't the only factor, it's just part of the equation and has to be factored in, and with Stroud and Young so close as prospects, it ends up being the final tally in Stroud's favor. Also have said many times that if it was Young vs Levis or AR, then you take Young. You have one big error in your thinking here... You say that assuming Young will be oft injured because he is small is bias, which is correct. But you also say that thinking Stroud will break the OSU curse is also bias, which is woefully incorrect, it's the exact opposite. Thinking Stroud will bust because OSU QB's bust, is the bias, just like thinking the size will be an issue for Young. That's what also bothers me in the whole Young vs Stroud debate, it comes down to two things for most people size vs OSU's QB history. So people want to knock Stroud for past players not succeeding while giving Young a pass for something that absolutely is a known concern for him, not past players from his school.

This is really easy for me, Young has the most obvious and biggest negative on either players scouting report. If we draft him and his size is an issue and Stroud is a great player, we’ll be idiots for taking that risk with an equally talented option available.

no, because that would be the dumbest and ugliest uniform in NFL history, that's terrible

No chance we take a Guard with our 2nd rounder, we'll take someone who could/should be at minimum a regular player in rotation if not an outright starter somewhere. A guard, if all things go to plan this year, wouldn't see a single snap in their rookie year.

My dude, in what world can you say "neither of us know in reality" when Hopkins himself has come out and said he's not looking for a huge contract and is willing to work with a team to get his cap number down? I'm not just making my own predictions here, I'm using his own words

"Whoever pays Hopkins the most money will get him if he ends up getting cut" That was your direct quote, I didn't change a word there, and that was directly after you said that football players are about money at the end of the day and have to look out for their families. So, sure... me saying "he's going to the highest bidder" is putting words in your mouth, as you didn't use those explicitly exact words, but that's literally the definition of semantics seeing as you literally said, "whoever pays him the most money will get him." When in reality, if you've paid any attention to the Hopkins situation over the last couple of months, it's been widely known and reported that he's openly said he isn't trying to re-set any WR market and is willing to take a pay cut to go to a contender. That's not to say he won't end up taking the most money offered to him, but you came in hot with a pretty definitive statement that he was signing due to money, despite him saying the opposite himself. It's been a theme of yours on here a lot lately and we've butted heads quite a few times, which is fair when people have differing opinions. But as Mr Scot told you a week or so ago, sometimes it's just better to sit back and listen than spout off when you aren't informed and knowledgable about the topic at hand.

That may or may not be the case, but it's not what you said. You said he's going to the highest bidder because that's what football players do, which is true sometimes, but seeing as he's explicitly said that's not what he was looking for with his next team/contract, it's just a dumb thing to say in such a matter of factly way.

Dude, just no, on multiple fronts. This isn't a RB who only has one chance to land a big contract, the guy has already made $110 million in his career with minimal team success. He's not going to just take the highest contract offer, he literally said going into this offseason that he wasn't looking for max money, but he wanted to go somewhere that is a contending team and he'd be willing to take a pay cut to make it happen. Beyond that, we only have the 2nd most cap space in the league right now in name only, we also need to save more cap room than almost any team in the league for the rookies. I'm not saying we can't or won't sign him, but it won't be because we have the 2nd most cap room and thus offer him the biggest contract offer of any team.

I've heard that, but I'm guessing we'd be the one place he'd be willing to do it. Think that was more his way of trying to get sent to a contender, but if that wasn't going to happen, I think we'd have been a legit option for him. It wouldn't be with any random rookie, it would be the #1 overall pick and would basically be him coming back home, as well as being the clear #1 option in the passing game.