tukafan21

You do realize that total yardage doesn't mean anything. There is an argument to be made that target heavy WR 1's can hinder the growth of a rookie QB, I kinda like having a whole bunch of WR 2's which he might have 4 of them this year. Particularly with a QB like Bryce who is supposed to be a savant mentally, having 4 dependable guys he can spread it around to evenly as opposed to one guy who he would depend on might be better for his development as well.

How many 4 WR sets do you expect us to run? If we sign him, the majority of snaps would be Hopkins, Chark, Thielen with TMJ and Mingo mixed in as a 4th WR at times and spot snaps the rest. Right now those two are slotted to split the 2nd outside WR duties and both on the field for most 4 WR sets, but if we sign Hopkins and Chark stays healthy, they'd take 90%+ of the outside WR snaps. TMJ has flashed potential and this is the year we need to see if he can grow as a player and we just drafted Mingo, it would make no sense to take snaps away from our 2nd round pick this year, need him to grow with Bryce.

It's not about wanting a #1 WR, nobody was banging the trade for Hopkins drum more than I was early in the offseason. But we are not a SB contending team this year, if we were, then signing Hopkins would be totally different as having him would be much better for the team than developing TMJ and Mingo. Which is why I've advocated for hoping Hopkins signs a 1 year deal somewhere else this year and then we sign him next summer when our SB window really opens in years 2-4 of Bryce's rookie deal. But opening up that SB window is more than just Bryce's development, it's also developing our other players, particularly two 2nd round WRs who both have high upside potential and with Chark on the team now, I think Hopkins hurts our long term outlook more than he helps it this year. I am a Hopkins fan, I think he can still be a Top 10 WR in the league for a few more years, I just don't think it's the right fit with our current roster right now. If we can sign him and trade Chark for a CB or DE/OLB, then sign me up, but with our roster, that money is needed elsewhere and/or saved to roll over into next year's cap when we can make some splash FA signings.

It's not a narrative that signing Hopkins would prevent growth from the younger WRs, it's just a fact. If we sign Hopkins, he's on the field for almost every offensive snap next year unless injured or just needs a play off for a breather and almost every one of those snaps would be stolen from TMJ or Mingo. And having Hopkins wouldn't give those young WRs single coverage as they're not going to be getting doubled as is, and with Hopkins here, they can't get single coverage if they can't get on the field because of Hopkins, it's not like he'd be eligible as a 12th player for us. Right now, Chark is the #1 outside, Thielen is in the Slot but probably the #2 target, with TMJ or Mingo the other outside starting WR and the #3 target, with the other being #4 on the depth chart and will spell the 3 starters as needed. We bring Hopkins on board, and one of those two will see VERY limited snaps, while Hopkins takes around 150-160 targets if he stays healthy for the full season while Chark operates as the #2 all year. That's 150+ targets that would mostly have been spread between TMJ and Mingo, as Chark's targets as the #1 or #2 outside WR would likely be pretty similar anyways. Let's just say without Hopkins, TMJ and Mingo would end up splitting 100 of those targets, that's more than TMJ had all of last year (47) and only has 77 in his two year career. So in essence, if we signed Hopkins, both players would likely end up losing about a full season's worth of targets and experience than if Hopkins isn't signed here. Whoever ends up with the #4 spot probably gets about 50 targets on the year instead of around 100, while whoever ends up the #5 ends up with maybe 25ish instead of 75 or more. Your argument would be correct if we didn't have Chark, it absolutely would open things up for TMJ and/or Mingo. But with Chark, it then helps open things up for Chark and Thielen while significantly limiting the snaps that would fall to TMJ and Mingo. We're not a SB contender this year, and yes, Hopkins likely helps Bryce develop a tad faster, which is our main goal. I think it would hinder the growth of TMJ and Mingo more than it would help Bryce and thus hurt us more in the long run.

We don't have the 2nd most cap space in reality though. Yes, technically at this moment we do, but we also still haven't signed Bryce or Mingo yet, they'll take up a little over $8 million of the cap. I'm not against signing Hopkins in general, however if we did it, I wouldn't be on board with giving him a big 1 year deal, I'd only be okay if it was a 2 or 3 year deal to make sure he's here for multiple years. Worst thing we could do would be give him big money for this year, using up much of the cap we have left, and then him leaving next year. If that were to happen, we'd be much better off just saving the cap to roll over into next year for some big FA splash signings. The problem with signing him is that it does hurt our chances to develop both TMJ and Mingo this year unless Chark can't stay healthy. Hopkins, Chark, and Thielen would absolutely be the top 3, whichever of the other two fell to #5 on the depth chart would struggle to get snaps and we need to develop those two and see what they might become with Bryce. Honestly, if we could sign Hopkins and trade Chark for maybe a CB or DE, that would be my most ideal scenario in terms of going after Hopkins this year. But in general, my preference would be that he signs a 1 year deal somewhere this year, and then Bryce balls out and he wants to come home and play with him next year after Chark's one year deal is up.

He played the majority of last season with a broken thumb on his throwing hand (happened in week 5) and had no decent WRs for much of the year until Watson exploded late, as I'm pretty sure Lazard was playing banged up for a while too. He went from Lazard being his #1 target for much of last year to having him as his likely #3 target behind Wilson and Hardman. Yea, elite QB's usually fall off a cliff at some point late in their careers, but I chalk last year up more to the broken thumb and WR issues than his abilities just going in the crapper. Remember, Rodgers has always been a guy who keeps his body in great shape, and while he may be 39, his body has really only taken the beating of a 36 year old with him not really playing his first 3 years in the league. I think he has multiple good seasons left in him if he wants to keep playing and yea, maybe next year or the year after Bryce is then playing better than Rodgers, but not this year, I'd be shocked, and that's no knock on Bryce, I'd say that about any rookie QB ever vs a rejuvenated Rodgers with real weapons.

Not a big fan of it to be honest, 0 looks weird on a pass rusher to me, was hoping Horn would take it

No chance, only way that happens is if Rodgers or multiple weapons in that offense are injured for the majority of the season. You can be as high as you want on Bryce, but he's still a rookie and Rodgers is a year removed from back to back MVPs. He now goes to a team with legit weapons around him with Wilson, Breece, Hardman, Lazard, Davis and an elite level defense. The Jets may not win the SB and Rodgers may not win the MVP, but to think Bryce as a rookie is going to have a better season than Rodgers, assuming both are healthy for a full season, is just asinine and/or a bad homer take.

I don't think that's really the case in this specific situation though. I don't expect Hopkins to sign a multi-year contract with anyone, not at this point with him getting cut so late in the FA season. His best bet, assuming he still believes in his ability, is to sign a 1 year deal, prove he can stay healthy and play at an elite level, and then cash in next spring with a bigger 2-3 year deal. Taking less money this year to play with a better QB/team to showcase himself would help set himself up for a bigger payday next year than going to a team with questionable QB play like the Titans. If we're talking 18 million for one year compared to like 3-5 million, then yes, maybe he's taking the money, but if it's 18 to play with a crap QB or 10 to play with an elite one (while also contending for a SB this year), then I think he'll take the less money for sure. Which frankly is what I'm hoping happens and he ends up here next year. If Bryce balls out and shows we have a real shot at contending on his rookie contract, coming back home to the Carolina's to be Bryce's #1 target as Chark is on just the 1 year deal, would make a lot of sense, particularly as we'll have the money next year to make some FA splash signings.

Hopkins is visiting with the Titans?!?! What the hell?!?! I'm sorry, but if he's looking to contend for a title and play with an established quality QB, in what world do the Titans and Tannehill fit that criteria?

The whole grass vs turf debate is just so dumb. For YEARS everyone complained about how torn up the field is late in the season, you can't have it both ways, either the field is going to be torn up for the last month of the season or we have turf. It's much easier for a Green Bay or Buffalo to have a grass field because they're pretty small market areas, places that aren't trying to use that stadium for as many events as possible outside of NFL games. Just playing NFL games in stadiums isn't enough these days to keep most stadiums profitable, they need the concerts, college games, soccer, monster truck, etc events to keep money coming in. If we have a grass field, those other events on top of the NFL season give us a terrible and torn up field come December. So which is it? Do you want grass and a torn up field late in the year or have turf? It's one or the other.

maybe, but really it was always going to be Carolina or Houston, and who would he go and study in Houston? Demarco Ryans as HC and he took the 49ers passing game coordinator to be his OC, sure he could have watched 49ers film, but that's Shanahan's offense, who knows how similar this guy will want to run an offense. A lot easier to watch old Reich run offenses

It's all going to come down to how Bryce does, if he's a multi all-pro type of player then it will have been worth it, if not, then we got terribly ripped off. I still feel it was far too much to give up for a QB of Bryce's size with the risk that comes with that. Also still feel like the better move would have been to move up to #3, keep DJ and one of the 2nd round picks and then taken whichever fell to 3 between Stroud and Richardson.

I think Thielen very well might end up as the top fantasy WR for us next year, in PPR leagues that is, at least the most consistent. He's going to be a perfect fit for Bryce's scrambling ability as the check down guy on those and be a great possession WR who should also score 6 TDs or so as well. If Chark, TMJ, or Mingo break out, they could end up with the most points, but I think they'll all have up and down games and Thielen should be a pretty consistent 5 catches for 50 yards each game with many weeks where he adds a TD or puts up more yards/catches. Those are my kinda players in fantasy, consistency wins leagues, I actually won my league last year with Thielen being that guy who I drafted as a bench WR to start the year but ended up playing him almost every week due to injuries/byes and he was a consistent 10 points for me each week.

Still think our best shot at ever getting Hopkins is for him to sign a 1 year deal with a top team to chase a ring, Bryce look good as a rookie, and then we sign him to a 2 or 3 year deal next offseason. Our best SB window begins next season and lasts for 3 seasons while Bryce's rookie contract is on the cap, we need to make sure we have a true #1 WR next year to maximize our chances during that time.

You do realize that the Cardinals cutting him is likely an endorsement of the skill he still has left than anything, right? The Cardinals aren't trying to win this year, if they were, they'd have signed a better QB to play until Kyler is ready. Cutting him is their way of saying he still has it and would have been good enough to help them win at least a few extra games this year, which they don't want to do. Their goal is to end up with the #1 pick so they can either trade Kyler (if possible with his contract) or trade the #1 pick for the biggest return in the history of traded draft picks as Caleb Williams would get that kind of offer.

^^^^ More like 20 million in cap space as Bryce hasn't signed yet, he'll count $7.5 million against the cap in year 1 Either way, I fully expect him to end up on a 1 year deal with a contender like KC or Buffalo. Chase a ring, try to put together a full season of staying healthy and then get a better multi-year deal going into next year when he can go into the start of FA.

Honestly, if we could sign Hopkins and then trade Chark, that would be the ideal scenario to me, as Chark is really the reason there isn't a clear open spot for Hopkins right now. Thielen is the slot and TMJ/Mingo should be on the field at one outside spot and then when we go 4 wide, we have to see them get significant playing time unless they're just terrible. Signing Hopkins would stunt one or both of their growth potential unless Chark gets relegated to minimal snaps.

You're not paying for a twice as good pizza by going with something else over a Hot-N-Ready, you're paying for a twice as consistent pizza that is also a little better (although I'd argue Dominos and Papa Johns are worse than LC anyways, if going with something else, you go with Hungry Howies or Jets square). The Hot-N-Ready's are just wildly inconsistent, sometimes they're actually really good, and when you get those, it's worth it. But sometimes they're borderline not edible and when you get one of those, it's a complete waste of money, even at that low price. Yea, I'd go with Little Caesars over Dominos or Papa Johns, but there are many other pizza places (and obviously any local one-off places) over Hot-N-Ready's every time.

If everything, and I literally mean EVERYTHING, goes right with our WRs this year, then yea, we'll have a really good WR room. If Chark can stay fully healthy for 17 games and finds his form, he can be a borderline #1 option. Thielen is still an elite check down option and as a #3 in the slot can be one of the more effective safety valves in the league. Then if TMJ and Bingo play up to their max potential this year, that's a solid top 4 with gadget weapons with Laviska and Byrd as our 5th and 6th WRs. But any injuries or players not living up to their potential, and it could be a disastrous unit. We may not have the top end elite WRs, but our 3-6 WRs might be some of the best in the league if things work out this year. And in an offense that should have a good run game and this next level brain in Bryce, it could work. Having said all that, I'll still take Hopkins in a heartbeat, less for this year, more for next year. Give him a year to help Bryce grow, if TMJ and/or Mingo breakout, we could be legit SB contenders in 2024 with Bryce in his second year and a Top 4 of Hopkins, TMJ, Mingo, Thielen.

Yea, but Tyreek was very clear that he was looking to be the unquestioned #1 option on a team (which he wouldn't be with Kelce in KC) and that he was looking for the max money he could get. Hopkins was saying that he'd take a pay cut if he was traded to a contender, I don't think he's looking to squeeze out every penny possible.

What planet are you living on? Last year after his suspension he killed it until Kyler got hurt, his per game averages would have come out to 120 catches for 1,350 yards in a 17 game season. 2021 wasn't great, but still, when he's been on the field, he's still an elite level WR. No, maybe he's not a Top 3 WR in the league anymore, but he's absolutely Top 20 at worst and still probably pushing Top 10 if he's fully healthy. He still has some of, if not THE, best hands in the NFL, he catches almost anything in his radius

I'd say a very hard pass on Evans, but I'd actually go the other way on Godwin and overdraft him if in a PPR league, he's a beast in that format and I think he'll be Baker's safety valve all year long.

Love it! Priority #1 this offseason is getting Bryce up to speed, practicing against one of the top defenses from last season is only going to help with that, smart move by Reich.

If we took Mahomes, he wouldn't be Mahomes. Rivera would have ruined him just like he did Cam, he refused to let Cam loose, he clearly would have done the same with Mahomes and his career never would have taken off like it did with an innovative offensive play caller like Reid.