tukafan21

So you'd rather win pointless games in a meaningless season with players who won't be on this team in 2 years instead just so you can feel some self worth as a fan? THAT is the loser mentality, it's not being able to stomach the bad times for the long term betterment of your favorite team because you're just sick of the losing. I will die on this hill until my last breath, fans who can't root for their team to lose when it's in the best interest of the franchise are the worst type of fans and NOT real fans. Real fans can remove their feelings from the situation and root for what actually will help their team improve. Firing Rhule and going on that run 2 years ago is LITERALLY why we're in this situation right now. It forced us to make a absurdly stupid trade to move up in the draft (taking the wrong guy just compounded the issue). And outside of the draft pick issue, how did winning those games help this franchise? Are the players who sparked that run better off for it? Hell no, most of them aren't even still on the roster anyways. Do you feel better as a fan right now because we won those games down the stretch that year? Does it still give you all the warm fuzzy feelings inside right now? Had we just stuck it out with Rhule, sucked the rest of the year and ended up with the #1 pick, even if we took Bryce, we'd have kept DJ and the rest of our picks and already been in a better position right now because we'd have had our own pick in the draft this year to replace Bryce already (not to mention the rest of the picks we'd have kept too). I root for the Panthers franchise, not the 2024 Panthers. And rooting for the Panthers franchise right now is hoping we continue to lose, period. You know the last time we embraced the suck as a Franchise? 2010, and it got us Cam in the end. But sure, let's keep hoping we win meaningless games and continue to put ourselves in this same position year in and year out.

Oh, and if he even tries to say he's going to be a 2 way player in the NFL, that's a SERIOUS red flag about him being a diva who is going to think he's the main character in everything he does. Yes, someone like him COULD play a few specialized snaps on offense here or there if he is a CB, but not full time, not at this level in today's NFL, it's just not happening.

Absolutely not If he comes in as a WR, as I've said a million times, he has no business being taken before T-Mac or Burden And if he comes in as a CB, assuming Horn makes it through the season, we have too many holes to take a 2nd elite CB, even if it would set us up with a great secondary. Not to mention the kid is going to be a diva and a problem in the NFL if/when things aren't going well, that's the M.O. of these Deion players. Put him on our garbage franchise and he's going to cause problems and be a distraction before his rookie deal is even up. He is a generational college player because of his two way ability, stop falling for that hype, it's literally what has us in this mess right now by the front office falling for Bryce's college hype, not everything at that level translates to the NFL, especially when you're talking about an undersized college player. I've been a Panthers fan for 3 decades, if we pass up a talent like T-Mac (or Burden) to take a college hype machine over them, it's the type of thing that could push me away from this franchise when it inevitably blows up in their faces.

Bryce needs to play all 17 games unless he is legitimately injured and can't play at all. We suck, nothing is changing that, it's not even halftime of Week 2 and the literal goal of the season should already be to not screw up getting the #1 pick (and then don't screw it up worse and take a QB in a bad class, trade back and start compiling picks and assets for a change, oh and then take T-Mac)

No.

Might be true, but if a team with that top pick as a true blue chip #1 WR already in house, they could view that as a big positive to help him right away as a rookie But I just want T-Mac on the Panthers so bad, haha

Take T-Mac with our first next year (with a trade back a few spots if we’re #1) and then take Arch Manning 1st overall the following year when we still suck again That’s how you build a long term contender, get an elite QB/WR pairing in back to back drafts

It was always a 2 man race for the first to be drafted, but that was always my point, that Hunter wasn't going to challenge the two of them if he enters as a WR only But T-Mac doing what he does at 6'5" is why I'd go with him over Burden, all my Arizona bias aside I'd still make that same call

I could think of at least 5 backups out there right now that the Dolphins would rather trade for than Bryce Doubt they'd even want him for a future conditional 7th, he's a complete bust, it wouldn't shock me if he never plays a snap for a team other than the Panthers in his career. We'll cut him at some point, and if he's smart he just retires, if not, I think he'll bounce around as a #3 during camp and/or practice squad type of guy for a couple of years before he hangs it up.

Told ya, he’s special and will be the best WR in the draft this year holy crap, did you see that clip they just showed? his hands are crazy strong

That’s not going to be a catch, but that was still damn impressive

He’s definitely trying to do too much tonight, but the WRs outside of T-Mac aren’t exactly getting open and they keep doubling him to force someone else to step up yea, we’ll lose this one, but T-Mac is still a beast

I’ll take it, first road game of the year, first “Big 12” game even though it’s considered non conference and only down 7 despite all the mistakes. We can win this game, just feed T-Mac and good things will happen

No he’s actually real good, just made a bad decision or two tonight so far, all QB’s do. He was the national freshman of the year last year and would have been a Heisman candidate if he had started from game 1, didn’t take over until game 4 I think

The difference is that it also works in college, it just doesn’t in the NFL lol Love Fifita, but he’s not going to be an NFL QB, even if he does end up as a Heisman candidate for the next few years

Because then he’s going into his 2nd season and no longer a rookie when you use the 1st rounder on a QB in what should be a very good QB class and have an elite pairing for the next decade and a nice SB window with them on rookie deals too.

I started a thread saying last November that he needed to be our pick in 25 lol We have had a bunch of good players at Arizona since I went there, lots that I thought would be good NFL players, some panned out and others didn’t. But there have only been 2 that I felt were can’t miss stars that will be many times over pro bowl type of players. Gronkowski and T-Mac

Even the best defense in this league isn’t contending if the offense is utter garbage. I honestly think T-Mac has top 5 WR type of potential, that’s not something you pass up when you get the chance to get, especially when we’re so weak at the position.

Evans is 20 lbs heavier, that’s why to me I’ve always seen AJ Green in him

We still can’t find that #1 WR, taking him would solve that for the next decade. I pray they seriously consider it, I’d honestly lose my mind if we took him, would be crazy for me

I’m telling you, he’s got it all, sure Hunter and Burden are a tad faster/quicker, but that’s to be expected with the size difference. There aren’t many 6’5” WRs with his speed and agility. And just look how they keep running a safety over there, even if he’s not doing anything because of it, he’s giving us an advantage. He’s my #1 want next year, if we get the first pick and nobody will trade with us, I’m still taking him (and only a slight bias in that, he’s just that good)

Yesirrrrr T-Mac either making plays or drawing double coverage totally away from the play and giving us numbers to take advantage

T-Mac's tape >>>>>>> Hunter's WR tape, it's really not even close if you're only looking at Hutner's offensive side of the ball Hunter has 92 rec for 1,153 yards, and 12 TDs in his entire career... T-Mac had 90 for 1,402, and 10 just last season alone... with tape that's littered with highlight reel catch after highlight reel catch. Hunter is a better CB prospect than a WR (and even then, when they played last season, Hunter covered T-Mac and he got torched for 9 rec, 107 yards, and a TD by T-Mac And saying "tall and fast WRs are in every draft" is just stupid... there are more short/fast WRs in a draft than tall/fast. Plus, his hands, catch radius, and ability to "moss" DB's are his best attributes, not his speed. Which again isn't a knock on his speed, but he's not a Quentin Johnston last draft where he's just a big speedster with nothing else and is already looking like a bust.

Yep, everyone knew it except the people who purposefully didn't want to see it. It's also the reason why when everyone says, "stop blaming Bryce, he didn't ask for this", I say that's a bullshit response as he 100% gamed his way into being the #1 pick with this. If he did the drills at the combine next to the other QB's and/or weighed in at his Pro Day significantly lighter than at the combine, then he'd have exposed his major weaknesses that he and his team knew he had, and thus wouldn't have gone #1. So yes, in the end, he did ask for this as he did everything he could to get selected #1, which you can't blame him for doing so, but because of it, it eliminates people's ability to say, "he didn't ask for this" anymore.

oh, I did think it was pretty funny to see a mock the other day that had T-Mac going #2, after Hunter going #1, to the Panthers, but as a CB, LOL. But then the entire mock lost it's credibility when it had Sheduer going like #5 and the first QB off the board, haha T-Mac's size is why he's the pick over either Hunter or Burden. If he was just a slow plodding big WR, then I could see the argument for the other two over him, but he's not, he has speed and quickness that you don't often see in players who are also 6'5". It's a dangerous combo that is going to allow him to dominate the league for years