tukafan21

I don't remember the live tv angle off the top of my head, but I do remember my first reaction was that he didn't get it live, then on replay I thought he did, but also didn't see conclusive evidence of it, just that it was my opinion that he got it. All I've been arguing here is that I don't think it was anything shady or one ref overruling another, I specifically watched the refs running in on different spots and was wondering who would get it, the ball was handed to the ref who cam in short first, he placed it. Disagree with how it played out, but in the end, if any argument of "overruling" someone else could be made, it would have meant the one who came in with a 1st down mark would have needed to overrule the other.

This I spent way too many years hating guys like Brady and Lebron just because they won a lot. I'd rather be able to enjoy knowing I'm watching a true generational talent in their prime than just hate watch them and be angry. Sure I hate that Brady beat us in the SB, but that was a long time ago and after everything else he was able to accomplish after that game, I came around on him too. It's why I'm rooting for and following Wemby's career right now, it's why I want to see KC 3-peat. I'm getting too old to hate all time greats because they win and did nothing else to make me hate them, I'd rather just enjoy watching the greatness.

We can't even see the ball here from a camera a good 10 feet in the air, do you really think a likely sub 6' tall person standing on the field is going to be able to see the ball over all those huge players surrounding him? Refs placing the ball on any play has always been somewhat of a guessing game, it's never been exact. The fact that it is THIS close of a play to where you can't even exactly tell on replay, shows how much more impossible it would have been for any ref to make that call in real time. If you want to think this is the league making sure KC wins, so be it, but maybe Buffalo shouldn't have been so close, had they got literally another 6 inches further, it would have been clear he got the 1st.

If KC wins it, I think he already deserves the GOAT title, even with everything Brady did. At that point, Mahomes could lose it back to Brady if the rest of his career tanks, and by tanks I mean never even getting back to the SB again. But if he wins 4 in 7 years, plus another SB loss, and is the only to ever 3-Peat, to me, that's more impressive than Brady getting 7 in 10 appearances over a 22 season career (removing both of their rookie seasons when neither played)

I'm being intentionally obtuse and then you go on to say these things? You're literally arguing that if neither ref can actually see the ball, that the ref who can see his face has a better view of where the ball is than the one who can see his back. That's absolute utter nonsense, you either can see the ball or you can't, if you can't, then seeing someone's face or their back has zero bearing on anything. And go watch the replay the one ref didn't overrule the other, he was the first one handed the ball and he placed it, at that point it would have then needed the other ref to overrule him. Because I was specifically watching for the ball placement as I did see the refs coming in at different spots, so I'm quite sure that's how it played out.

So in 7 seasons as a starting QB, Mahomes will have played in 5 SB's and his other two season's being AFC Championship game losses, both in OT. Just crazy

HOLY poo Allen made that play and it was dropped, just crazy

you keep saying "overrule" but that's a woefully inaccurate term when neither one was "overruling" the other. What does seeing Allen's face vs back have any bearing on it, neither view helps you determine where the ball is in relation to the line to gain. It's the same way all ball spots happen, the first ref to be given the ball is the one who spots it, if you have a problem with that, take it up with how the game is officiated, but there was nothing nefarious here.

Again, neither ref could actually see the ball The ref who would have been facing the ball was 100% blocked out of view by all the big linemen, as there was a camera down the line that was like 10 feet in the air and we couldn't even see the ball there because of all the players, no ref standing on the field was seeing it when we couldn't.

who removed who's helmet? I didn't catch this one

WOW, way too much time left for Buffalo, and if they score, there won't be much left for KC

And why should the ref who spotted the 1st down overrule the other one?

interesting, KC is doing too well, going to end up leaving a lot of time on the clock, didn't expect them to do this

or, you know, they made the call they thought they saw on the field Just because it went one way, doesn't mean there was bias involved, not everything is some big conspiracy theory

It is now Mahomes is about to do his Mahomes thing, take 6 minutes off the clock and kick a FG with 3 seconds left to win it.

I already said that I personally thought he did get to the line, but only BARELY. But that's what that is, my opinion, there wasn't a single piece of clear video evidence that he got there, so you have to stick with the call on the field. In the end, if he got there, it was by literally only a couple of inches and neither ref was ever going to actually be able tell exactly where the ball was, if this isn't the Chiefs in this type of game, nobody takes issue with the call and subsequent replay, it's what happens in plays THAT close.

oh man, Buffalo is going to score here with the worst amount of time left KC is going to just eat the clock up and end up with a game winning FG lol

Neither ref could actually see the ball, we literally couldn't even see the ball on the camera angle down the line that is like 10 feet in the air, because there were too many bodies in the way. Do you really think the 5'8" ref standing on the field is going to be able to see that ball with all those 6'5" linemen surrounding the play like that?!?!?! Want to argue for chips in the ball all you want, but there was nothing different in that play than any other spotting of the ball in every single NFL game, it wasn't the refs giving anything to KC, you just sound crazy saying things like that.

That happens on almost every play, of every game, refs almost never have the exact same spot on each side of the field and always comes down to whichever ref ends up getting handed the ball first. The difference is that this was a 4th down play that was being decided by literal inches in the AFC Championship

Great block by Kelce to get Mahomes across the line there

I think he got the First, but it wasn't called that and not sure there is going to be a clear video proving he got it

WOW Allen, what a STUPID play That wasn't the end zone, you can't leap over the pile with the ball out there like that, even if he didn't fumble and they get the first, that was beyond dumb

Oh I get it, but he also just got stopped on the last play. I'd rather punt it and make them go the full field, not 20 yards to get into FG range

are they really going for this? if you don't get this, you're giving the lead up to KC, this would be a massive risk

says the person who called someone who did absolutely nothing, "one of the biggest c**** in the world"