tukafan21

The 2025 draft? We're not going to get what Bryce needs in the 2nd round of this years draft. Bryce needs a true #1 outside WR by Week 1 of next season, not an early 2nd rounder that we hope can develop into one in a few years, that's what Mingo already is for us. Getting Bryce that #1 is so far and away this teams top priority this offseason, we can't fix everything in one offseason, but everything else takes a backseat to that one and it's not close.

Higgins (or another #1) on the outside, Mingo on the other side, Thielen in the slot, and a Curtis Samuel type in the other slot as our top 4 and I'm good with that. Take a new TE in the 3rd this year as Hurst isn't it That's a passing game I can work with

Oh I agree on CMC, I hated it at the time and hate it even more now. And not making the smart trade because we're afraid we'll screw up the draft pick is just a poor way to view it. We just have to hope that we'll make the right draft picks, can't make the wrong calls because we're afraid of making a worse one.

Please, give me whatever you're smoking, that's some bomb stuff

Seattle just traded a 2nd and 5th for a rest of the year rental in a 29 year old Leonard Williams at DT You really don't think a team who thinks they're a pass rusher away from winning a SB will give up two Firsts that they hope to be picks 32 for a 25 year old Burns?!?! 100% someone will... we'll get 2 firsts or 1 first and 1 high level starter for him.

They may get there, but they're not there yet. And you don't not target someone because there are younger players, who aren't available in any deal, who might be better than him in a couple years, that's just weird. Also in a few years, some of the guys above Higgins on that list will age out and fall below him, like a Mike Evans lol. Higgins is only 24, turns 25 in January, make him the focal point of an offense and he very well could take a leap and be a Top 10 guy, he has that kind of talent and potential.

Oh of course, that is 100% predicated on Bryce wanting Jameson. You don't make that trade for a guy with what, 5 NFL catches?, unless Bryce wants him because of their connection in his Heisman season, but I expect he'd want him.

I think Higgins and Evans are similar but Higgins has a tad more side to side movement to him while Evans is a little bigger/stronger to hold off DBs on jump balls better. Yes, similar and Higgins isn't the fast twitch guy I'd really like to get, but if we can't get one of them, I'd rather overpay to get the younger and maybe slightly shiftier Higgins over Evans.

The trade I've wanted to make for a while is Burns + TMJ (get him back with Burrow/Chase) for Higgins and a 1st And if they don't want to pay Burns, trade Burns for 2 Firsts (yes, I think we can get that) and trade one of them to the Bengals for Higgins after they tag him. The other trade I'd like to make is Burns + Chark to the Lions for Jameson Williams + First + Fourth

Fantasy Football #2 is not NFL #2 There are not 32 WRs better than Higgins in the league right now, he's probably in that 15th best WR range. That's a #2 in fantasy but a #1 in real football Not every team can get a Top 10 WR, sure I'd love one, but that seems difficult unless a DK type player becomes available due to contracts.

Agreed, one of my other posts I said he's more in the mold of a Evans, but 6 years younger and a little more shifty, which is why I'd rather overpay to get him than Evans right now.

Unless we're getting Marvin Harrison (which wouldn't happen), in no world am I giving up a probably Top 15, potentially Top 10 pick in 2025 along with our top 2024 pick to take a WR in the middle of the first round. From what I've read, this is supposed to be one of the deepest 1st round WR drafts in a long time, should be one worth taking mid to late first if we can get one without giving up our 2025 pick. We still don't know what Bryce is going to be and we're already looking at giving away a top 5 pick in a generational talent QB class, we can't give up the next year's first at this time.

He's still not a Tyreek, Chase, Jefferson, Diggs, Lamb, Waddle, type of player, that's more of who we need to go after. It's not just the straight line speed, it's the stop/start quick twitch speed that we need to get Bryce. I just think Evans is more of a better version of Thielen/Mingo in terms of style of play, we need to add a different type of player to be that #1 and have versatility in our pass catchers, not a bunch of the same style guys. Higgins isn't quite those guys either, but I think he's closer to it than Evans, and like 6 years younger, which is why I'd rather overpay to get him than go after Evans, it's about overall roster construction.

Having long plays isn't the same as having the quick twitch speed WR that we need out there. His long plays aren't because he uses his speed to out run a DB in a foot race, it's generally because he's just a GREAT deep ball catcher because of his size and ability to go up and high point the ball before a smaller DB can make a play on it.

Not saying Odell in particular was the answer to our WR problems (particularly because at his contract number and current ability, he wouldn't have been), but the irony is that's exactly the type of WR we could have used this year. One who wouldn't get frustrated at losing as long as they were getting fed the ball on a constant basis. Because even with a true #1, we weren't going to be winning all too much this year, but they'd have been fed the ball by Bryce from day 1 and thus wouldn't be a locker room or sideline distraction, they'd be happy.

Good player, wrong style of game for what we need to give Bryce. Thielen and Mingo are both possession WRs, sure Evans is better than them at it, but no point in adding redundancy for the sake of adding a better WR, need to add complimentary players to what we already have.

Yep, but without a 1st, we can't do that until 2025 and we can't wait that long for Bryce's development. Again, that's where Burns comes in as I fully expect he can get us the two 1sts that come with the tag. If we can't flip the 1st for an established WR, we can use it to take one in this draft and then still have another future 1st in our pocket.

Oh 100%, I wouldn't be against finding a way to trade for him right now, I think his speed is very much what we need for Bryce. But he's not the outside #1 WR that we need.

Here are the top WR's scheduled to hit the market in 2024 Free Agency Tee Higgins, Mike Evans, Calvin Ridley, Michael Pittman, Marquise Brown, Curtis Samuel, Gabe Davis, Michael Thomas, Darnell Mooney. Of them, right away, Mooney, Thomas, Davis, Samuel can be crossed off as they're not #1's (I'd actually love to get Samuel, but he's not the #1 that we need). Pittman and Ridley won't hit the market, I'm quite confident both will be back with the Colts and Jags respectfully. Evans, while still has game left to him, isn't the type of #1 we need to give Bryce, he's more of a big possession WR, which we have in Thielen. We need a quick twitch, fast, outside #1 and that's just not Evans game at this point in his career. Plus, if he leaves TB, it will be to go to a contender, not just the highest bidder (and that won't be us). Brown MIGHT fit that definition, but personally, I'm just not sold on him being worth it, I think he's more of a good #2, not a #1. That leaves Higgins as the only legitimate target among the players we know will be available this offseason. Odds are he doesn't hit the open market either, he will more than likely be tagged and traded. The other option is for us to go after a player like Tyreek or AJ Brown in recent years, guys who are due a new contract but their team doesn't want to give them one. Players who might fall into that category would be someone like DK or maybe Devonta Smith, but those are total guesses and it could be anyone, nobody expected Tyreek to be moved. If we're going to trade for Higgins or a yet to be known available WR, we'll need either a 1st round pick or an elite player at a different position. That's Burns or our 2025 First, and I'm not trading that 2025 First to pay out a big money contract for a WR, that wouldn't be smart when we could likely just wait the year and take a WR in the Top 10 or 15 and have them locked in on a rookie contract. So whether it comes down to trading Burns for the WR or trading him for the picks that we'd then flip for the WR just depends on who is available, who we target, and what those teams want, but all roads point to Burns being the only legitimate asset to get that #1 WR for Bryce next year. And I don't know about you guys, but if it's Burns or a #1 WR to help Bryce's development, then it's not even a discussion.

Most people here played college football?!?!?! I'll bet less than 1% of the people on this site played any college sport, let alone football. And if you mean playing HS football, the locker room dynamic from that compared to what an NFL QB does to mentor a rookie, isn't even in the same galaxy of comparison. Also, no, not any vet QB can properly teach a rookie QB all the dynamics that go into their job, at least not to the level you'd like to support your #1 draft pick at. You need someone who has been in the league for 10+ years as an occasional starter (like a Colt McCoy) or an actual longtime starter like Dalton. A 5th round pick isn't worth more than the mentorship that Dalton provides Bryce, which is why I'd do it if we also could swap TMJ for KJ Osborn, but not just Dalton for a pick.

TOTALLY different things to hear things from a teammate than it is a coach, have always seen coaches/players talk about how different it is. A coach needs to be hard on the player at times, the teammate is the one to then put their arm around them, pull them to the side, and re-lift their spirits, it's an entirely different dynamic. Coaches also don't spend a lot of time in the locker room, they have their own lockers/area and let the players have their own. That's where Dalton is most beneficial to Bryce, just being there for him and for Bryce to watch how a vet QB goes about his business on a day to day basis. It might seem dumb, especially for the #1 pick in the draft, but it's the little things like that, that can help rookies grow and learn faster than if they're trying to figure it out on their own or from an inexperienced backup/teammate. I'd guarantee if they traded Dalton (which in itself still seems very unlikely), they'd end up then signing someone like Colt McCoy to come in and replace Dalton's role of mentor, you don't leave that job to a Jake Luton type.

Said it in the other thread, Dalton is too important to Bryce's development to trade away for a mid to late round pick. However, if we can get KJ Osborn and a 4th for Dalton and TMJ, I'm all in on that trade. I think most likely scenario if they go the trade route would be for Jacoby. Howell is their starter, they're not contending so don't need to keep an experienced QB around in case he gets hurt, and they're in sell mode anyways.

Same reason I struggle to see how the Cardinals are going to be able to trade him very easily, the money owed on his contract. Unless the Cardinals are able to re-structure his contract to pay him a sizable signing bonus before a trade and eat a lot of the cost, he's owed a ton of money over the next few years, I doubt many teams have that cap room to take him on. If I'm reading it correctly, he's owed over $40 next year and over $50 the year after that. I'm not sure he puts them into SB contention this year and they'd just be better off re-signing Cousins again for a much cheaper number. More likely for them would be to go after Jacoby or someone like that.

This is just nonsense Look at our schedule, our 6 losses are against 4 first place teams and the other 2 losses are to teams who are in second place to one of those other losses. Dolphins, Lions, Seahawks, Falcons are all in first, Vikings and Saints are both in 2nd to one of them. Sure, maybe we should have been able to beat one or both of the Falcons or Saints, but realistically, we aren't a good enough team yet to beat the others. I'm not saying we're some amazing team of course, still have lots of holes and I'm not sold on Bryce having true elite potential, but we can be a decent team the rest of the year. Colts, Bears, Titans, Bucs, Saints, Falcons, Packers, Bucs are all winnable games, the Falcons and Saints are the only teams in that group that aren't below .500 and they're only each 4-4 themselves. I think they'll be able to ride this momentum to be up for and win the game against Frank's old team in the Colts at home, then carry that momentum to beat the bad Bears on the road to get to 3-6. Say we lose to the Cowboys and Jags as I figure we will and that is 8 losses. If we then go even just 3-3 in the other 6 games and we finish 6-11. Not quite what we wanted coming into the season, but that would be a more than respectable finish for a team that started 0-6 and looked as bad as we did in doing so.

I think it was right on the borderline of the flag or not. Rookie QB isn't getting that call, the Mahomes, Burrow, Hurts, Allen, etc of the world probably get that one. Would have liked it in the moment, but not one to be upset about