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Carr has always been a solid QB who has been hampered by bad coaching and absolutely horrendous defenses. Put him behind our OL, with Moore, the 9th pick a WR, our defense, and say Harbaugh as his coach, you don't think that would work? I like that situation significantly more than giving up 4-6 high draft picks to move up and take one of the QB's in this years draft.

Yes, Stafford is the exception, but only because they actually won the SB in one year, if that didn't happen it would be pretty bad right now, and at least 50% of the return they got wasn't because of Stafford but just the Lions being willing to take back Goff's contract in the deal. I named Mahomes, but I don't think either him or Allen were at all hauls to move up to get them, they're what I was saying in a "minimal trade to move up" Mahomes cost KC a future 1st and a 3rd to move up from 27 to 10, if anything that's a steal for them even before knowing what Mahomes became, let alone a haul. Allen cost the Bills two 2nd's to move up from 12 to 7, which they needed to do to jump the Cardinals who took Rosen, and they also got a 7th back, again, not a haul by any means. If we want to move up to take one of the top 2 or 3 QBs, I think it's going to cost us a lot more than either of those two as there are already QB needy teams ahead of us, it won't be cheap to move up this year. I'd imagine it would be our first, both our seconds, next years first and probably next years second at a minimum to move up into the top 3 or 4 to get one of them, which seems far too much given none of them being close to sure things. What are the real successful trades where a team gave up a massive haul for either a QB or the draft pick to take a QB? That's kinda my point, I'm struggling to think of any where it worked out.

Has anyone ever actually looked back on those trades? They NEVER work out for that team, if they occasionally did it wouldn't be a terrible idea to try, but they just don't ever work out. Two reasons for it, the first being that you give up way too many assets that are needed to build up a bad team and the second is because it's usually not for a sure fire stud prospect, or else the team with the pick would just take them and trade their current QB. The closest to ever working out would be Stafford last year, and that haul was really more to take back Goff's contract as it was for Stafford. Plus, without them winning the SB that would be a really bad looking deal right now considering the current state of the Rams and that top draft pick now going to the Lions. Here's the ones that I can remember off the top of my head from at least recent memory..... Russel Wilson - Not looking great so far Deshawn Watson - Not looking great so far Trey Lance - Not looking great so far Goff - Sure, they got to a SB with him, but he clearly wasn't the reason why, the best thing he did for them was get them the QB who did win them a SB Wentz - Sure, they got a SB a couple years later when he was playing like an MVP, but he didn't actually win them the SB and then crapped out right after RG3 - Maybe it works if he doesn't get hurt at the end of his rookie year, but his body/style of play was never going to hold up in the NFL anyways Trubisky - Clearly did not work at all Darnold - best thing he did for the Jets was fleecing us in a trade for him The only outlier to this where it worked out would be Mahomes, but even at that, I'm not sure giving up a 3rd rounder and a single future 1st rounder to move from 27th to 10th is really giving up a haul for that pick anyways. Yes, I know we clearly need to fix the QB problem, but doing it this way just never works, we need to find the right free agent or cheaper trade (like Carr maybe), or stand pat and hope to strike gold with our own pick or a minimal trade to move up to get one we like.

Fair right now, but pre-season, we were a popular pick to take a jump forward and possibly even challenge for a playoff spot. Particularly after we added Baker, and yes, while the schedule was made before that trade, also pretty clear the league figured we'd end up with Baker in the end as I think they scheduled us to play them week 1 on purpose, just like last year with Darnold and the Jets.

Amateur lol Clearly have to find a way to see an early evening showing and still home in time for the game. As long as you catch a 5:30 showing or earlier, you can still be home in time for the game, thats my plan. I do like how they do that with these big new movies now, my area is having showings starting at 3 PM on Thursday, so much better than when they used to wait until literally midnight a few years back, that was rough.

Black Panther 2 has had it's current release date since 2021, so clearly well before the schedule was made. The league had to know about our plans for a Black Helmet this year before the schedule was finalized (knowing most of those things get debuted on TNF) It can't be a coincidence that we're playing on TNF the day the movie hits theaters and also we are debuting the black helmets with the all black uniforms, right?

People can't have it both ways. They complain when the fields are torn up at the end of the season and how it's a risk to player safety, but then the same people also complain that the turf is less safe for players and want grass. Fact of the matter is, that there are very few stadiums/arenas for any professional team that are used ONLY for that team's games and nothing else, especially in this day and age where stadiums cost an exorbitant amount of money to build and thus need multiple revenue streams to make it work. If you had football stadiums that were used ONLY for NFL football, then it would be much easier to have grass, but are there any where that is the case? Maybe Green Bay since it's a pretty small town that likely doesn't get much there other than the Packers, but I'm pretty sure all the other NFL stadiums are used for other events almost year round. Plus the idea of making all stadiums being forced to have grass fields just couldn't ever happen anyways. How is that going to work in Detroit, Minnesota, Indy, Atlanta, Dallas, New Orleans, Houston and LA where they have indoor stadiums? Sure some of them have retractable roofs, but they weren't built in a way where they open enough to allow for proper sun coverage to get in there to keep it up to an NFL quality level field. That's 9 of the 32 teams who couldn't even have grass fields if they wanted to, sure the Raiders and Cardinals have indoor stadium with grass, but they're very unique in how they have grass, the stadium obviously had to be built with the ability to roll the grass outside, you can't retrofit that into existing stadiums, particularly as some of them wouldn't even be able to have any place to roll the field out to if they wanted to (like Detroit).

This all about the same Terrace Marshall that had 2 catches on 3 targets for 31 yards? If I only read this thread, you’d think he had a 150 yard game or something.

If we traded Burns for the Saints first round pick, that ends up as a top 10 pick, and we then trade that pick BACK to the Saints so we can get Payton.... I'd legit be done with being a Panthers fan after over 25 years, that would be the dumbest thing ever.

While I'm against trading Burns, if the Eagles were to offer us the Saints first rounder, which is currently looking like it could be a top 10 pick, then I'd do that deal. At worst we could replace him with a top 10 pass rusher next year, but also could use it for something like a WR to pair with DJ for our new QB, that would be pretty great too.

We should have had them throw Elijah Mitchell into the deal

He could get injured and miss the rest of the season, and someone would still give up a first rounder for him in the offseason if we tag him. He's a 24 year old elite pass rusher, he could be that for another 8-10 years.

What coach is going to want to go to a franchise with no good players and no cap room, you can only do so much in the draft.

I'd probably keep him and see if we can convince him to an extension, because at worst we can franchise him and still get a first rounder for him in the offseason

He's not an injury prone RB. He had 2 injuries in consecutive seasons that he likely could have played through more if we were a contending team, but we weren't so they took the time, it didn't quite heal up, and they shut him down. Also thinking of him as an RB is the problem, he's being used wrong, he needs to be a Slot WR used, ironically in the Deebo way, and get 8-10 carries a game still. Then his contract isn't a problem and his injury risk is reduced, he's about to dominate in SF.

That's a terrible haul That's pick probably 60ish next year, and then a bunch of picks that we can HOPE to get 1 starter out of.... for the best offensive weapon in football. Beyond awful. Fitterer should be fired tonight

They don't have first rounders thanks to the Lance deal. So what did we really just trade CMC away for some late second round picks? WTF?!?!?!?!

LOVED bringing Cam back last year and wanted to bring him back this year. But at this point, I don't want us to even consider bringing him back because I don't want to have to root against him, and I just want to lose out at this point. If we can get the #1 pick by winning any games, I'll take the wins, but the last thing I want is to ruin our draft position by even 1 spot.

Posted this the other day, seems fitting to do it again because not trading CMC should be the most obvious thing ever, and this post I didn't even bring up the massive Cap hit we'd take next year for trading him away, yet another reason that trading him would make us less attractive to any new potential HC......... I swear, I really don't understand why people can't seem to figure out how to properly evaluate CMC's future. Short of Buffalo giving us Cook and 2 Firsts, I'm not even talking to them, dead serious, and here's why......... With any competent coaching staff, CMC's days as an every down RUNNING BACK are already over, he should and will be relegated to around 10-15 carries a game, max. He should and will be used in more of a Deebo type of player, he will line up at least 50% of the snaps in a game as a Slot WR, running routes on most plays, taking handoffs on jet sweeps sometimes, and running that as a decoy at other times. It will keep the wear and tear off his body to allow him to play full seasons while still allowing him a lot of touches each game, and he is already a Pro Bowl caliber Slot WR. Yes, he is very effective getting 20-25 carries in a game and just wearing down a defense, but it's also what is causing his injury problems, a competent staff will understand this and change how he's used. When he becomes that role, his contract will look perfectly fine as essentially he's then a top paid WR and we fill in the other 50% of the snaps at RB with players on cheap and/or rookie deals for that team. There is no good reason that team shouldn't be the Panthers, period. To a competent HC candidate, who understands how CMC should properly be utilized to maximize his output and decrease injury risk, he is a FAR more attractive piece to recruit a good HC than any fair trade a team is going to offer us. Even one first by a team in contention, which would fall in the late 20's if not 30's, would be a far less useful piece in said coaching search than the idea of having one of the game's most talented players. If we trade him, we'll get to see that team get to use CMC for the next 10 years and be possibly the most dangerous weapon in the game during that time. RB's wash up by 30 because of what it does to their bodies and they don't have CMC's receiving abilities, there is no reason he can't play well into his 30's as he transitions into a full time WR later in his career.

Unless someone is offering at least 2 firsts for him, you don't even answer the phone, this one is easier than CMC. Best case scenario, we find a way to sign him to a long term deal in the offseason and keep a potential yearly all pro candidate. Worst case scenario, we can't work out a contract with him in the offseason due to the cap, so we tag him and trade him then for a haul. This isn't CMC where he could get hurt again and nobody would want him in the offseason. Burns has already shown elite potential, has no real injury history, and isn't even into his prime years yet, if he were to go on the IR today and not play another snap this year he would still have significant trade value this offseason. Trading him now doesn't make any sense unless you get a massive return as we can't lose him for nothing as he'd be our franchise tag.

I swear, I really don't understand why people can't seem to figure out how to properly evaluate CMC's future. Short of Buffalo giving us Cook and 2 Firsts, I'm not even talking to them, dead serious, and here's why......... With any competent coaching staff, CMC's days as an every down RUNNING BACK are already over, he should and will be relegated to around 10-15 carries a game, max. He should and will be used in more of a Deebo type of player, he will line up at least 50% of the snaps in a game as a Slot WR, running routes on most plays, taking handoffs on jet sweeps sometimes, and running that as a decoy at other times. It will keep the wear and tear off his body to allow him to play full seasons while still allowing him a lot of touches each game, and he is already a Pro Bowl caliber Slot WR. Yes, he is very effective getting 20-25 carries in a game and just wearing down a defense, but it's also what is causing his injury problems, a competent staff will understand this and change how he's used. When he becomes that role, his contract will look perfectly fine as essentially he's then a top paid WR and we fill in the other 50% of the snaps at RB with players on cheap and/or rookie deals for that team. There is no good reason that team shouldn't be the Panthers, period. To a competent HC candidate, who understands how CMC should properly be utilized to maximize his output and decrease injury risk, he is a FAR more attractive piece to recruit a good HC than any fair trade a team is going to offer us. Even one first by a team in contention, which would fall in the late 20's if not 30's, would be a far less useful piece in said coaching search than the idea of having one of the game's most talented players. If we trade him, we'll get to see that team get to use CMC for the next 10 years and be possibly the most dangerous weapon in the game during that time. RB's wash up by 30 because of what it does to their bodies and they don't have CMC's receiving abilities, there is no reason he can't play well into his 30's as he transitions into a full time WR later in his career.

To be honest, this is why I'm surprised people hate him so much. When he bought the team, everyone knew he wasn't a football guy and was afraid he would still be like a Dan Snyder owner by having their hand in everything, but he hasn't been close to that, he's been very hands off. Yes, he's trusted the wrong people, but that happens in all businesses sometimes, but it always happens in football, sometimes you just make a bad hire. But even after all that, he still wasn't stepping in and making the football decisions like some owners, he was trying to sit back and let his football people do their thing. I know it sucks to see our team hurt by his inexperience and trusting of the wrong people, but I'm at least encouraged by his hands off approach and hopefully the next group of people he hires as GM, Coach, etc, are a better group and it gives us different results. But as an owner of the team, I really can't fault much he's done so far other than hiring the wrong staff, and that happens, really the only thing for me is that he allowed Keep Pounding to take a backseat, that one is bad.

lol... honestly I couldn't remember off the top of my head, googled CMC and went to his Wikipedia since it was the first result and scrolled to his stats, saw the 1k/1k season and then 2 others below it, never looked at the actual dates. Since they don't have any stats for him in there, it looked like the 1k/1k was 2 years ago thinking the last line was this current season, my bad.

If it's looking like Wilks is gonna be going .500 we need to be firing him well before then as he'll be screwing up our draft position for a QB next year.

Cam in Arizona for sure, CMC getting 1,000/1,000 and then probably followed by the Chinn back to back TDs as that was just a lot of fun at the time. Not much else.