tukafan21

Yes, for a single person, but this isn't just selling tickets on the trip they put on, you buy the full trip and pay for however many people you're bringing with you up to 18 (I'm sure there's a minimum for 10-12 people too). So even if you get a group of 15 guys together to do it, you could do the trip for less than $150k but without the access to players.

lol no the other way around He’s saying if someone were to buy this package, they’re paying half of what it would cost them to do it on their own. So I’m saying that can’t be the case, as there’s no way the person providing it can make money if it costs them twice the amount to put this on for them, they’re in it to make money, not give a fan experience on the cheap. This isn’t a huge operation that has major discounts due to bulk private flights and 5 star hotels/restaraunts around the country to where they can do this at a cheaper price than it would cost to do on your own. You’re paying more for the access to players and not having to work out the logistics on your own, not less, that’s crazy talk.

If the whole league doesn't do it, it creates more of a problem, because there is no way some other's won't follow suit. Once a handful of teams start to do it, all agents are going to start demanding it and we're going to see more 2nd round holdouts than ever, and they rarely did before this.

Again, it's not about billionaires coughing up their money, guaranteed contracts wouldn't cots a penny more out of the owners pockets as teams have to spend their cap room every season. The only times they don't spend it all, it's to roll it over into the next year to spend more than the cap, so they're still spending the same amount of money in the end. Fully guaranteed contracts for all players wouldn't work in the NFL Not having them actually works to the benefit of both teams and players, as it's how teams manage the cap and it allows players to get to re-negotiate new guaranteed money faster. Plus, with how often those role players get churned through because they show flashes but don't pan out, would really limit how much teams would be willing to spend on them and give more than 1 or 2 year contracts. It would create even more of an unbalanced pay structure to where the stars would make even more of a percentage of the cap than they already do.

There's no way you're paying half the cost of doing it on your own, as it wouldn't be a profitable business. They're not doing this out of the goodness of their heart to give fans a cool thing on the cheap, they're making money on it, so it can't cost more to do on your own outside of getting access to the players.

It's not jealousy and I don't care one way or another if players have guaranteed deals or not. But when one team starts doing something like this, it can mess with the rest of the league for a few years until things settle down, so it can affect us, which I do care about, that's all

I think GM's are more upset than owners Owners spend the same amount of money every year as it's a hard cap with a floor minimum too. It doesn't really change anything for them (other than possibly make things more difficult on the team in general). But it's the GM's who need to negotiate these contracts who are really going to be pissed, if you're a skill position player that goes in the 2nd round now, you're going to be asking for this, and the higher you're drafted and/or the more unexpected it was for you to not go in the 1st, the stronger your case will be to insist on it.

It says $10k per person for up to 18 people (and I'm guessing there has to be some minimum number of people too or it wouldn't be profitable) So I just went with a 15 people

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45057900/texans-jayden-higgins-makes-history-fully-guaranteed-deal Seriously? Giving a fully guaranteed contract to a 2nd rounder?!?! They just made rookie contract negotiations with non 1st rounders so much more difficult as they're all going to be trying to get that moving forward now. It's been so nice since the rookie scale was instituted with so few players ever holding out, this feels like it could change things, especially for high 2nd round picks who are going to start asking for this immediately.

If people have an expendable $150k to spend on something like this, then they likely have ways of being around former (or current) players anyways. Plus they also then already have the means to make a trip to games like this while being on their own schedule/agenda as well. Just can't see what the appeal of something like this is for those type of people. Yea, us regular Joe Schmo fans would love a tripe like that, but we don't have the expendable income to do it.

It will also mean that he's basically only played one season of football since HS too. Which, if he can get healthy and become the player we expected him to be, will extend his shelf life as a RB as he basically will have only played 1 season out of the last 5, so minimal wear and tear on the rest of his body if his knee can hold up.

lol that's two responses like this, but like I've now said a couple times, I wasn't asking that, I was asking why does putting him on the PUP list "officially end his season" when so many players coming off injuries start camp on the PUP list and are able to come off later. So not asking why we'd shut him down for the season, I get that, asking the general question of why he wouldn't be able to come off the PUP list later, what makes his PUP listing different than others.

Yea, I'm not questioning why they are doing it, that I totally get and agree with. I was asking why does putting him on the PUP list now, mean his season is over. As I thought players often start camp on the PUP list when they are rehabbing an injury, but they're allowed to come off of it later.

Love this because it eliminates any chance of rushing him back too soon, let him fully rest up and hopefully we have a diamond in the rough being added to the 2026 team. My one question is why does this mean he'll miss the full season already though? I thought players get put on the PUP list going into camp all the time without it officially ending their season, why is this different?

I like this because it means one or both of the rookies will be thrust into a bigger role right away and we can see what they might be. I don't like this because it just makes our team that much younger and inexperienced. You need vets to help the young guys learn, I just hope we aren't going too far in the opposite direction. All our FA signings were guys just coming off their rookie deals too, I get why we're doing it, but having the savvy vets help in other ways too.

I've seen a bunch of early mocks that don't have him going and also seen it mentioned how some people think he won't come out next year, as both Peyton and Eli stayed 4 years in school, they think Arch could in the end as well.

Wait a second.... You're saying I could have sued the Panthers for $100 million for my emotional distress if they passed on T-Mac in the draft? Well poo... love having my guy on our team, but I'd rather have the money, can we go back and not take him?

lol Honestly, it might sound dumb, but I've had this idea in my head of a specific picture I really want to get with him since draft night. Basically I want it to be of the two of us sitting on the floor next to each other with the picture from behind. Ideally it would have been with us both wearing T-Mac jerseys (and me wearing an Arizona hat that has block A logo on the back of it too), but since they won't have baby versions of those for a bit and that does seem like a waste of money on something he'll grow out of in a few months, I think I'll go with this that I've found on Amazon for like 12 bucks........ I'll get this made with T-Mac's #4 but then my Nephew's first name (which incidentally starts with a T, so I've already joked to my sister that she needs to change his middle name to something with "Mc" or "Mac" in it so i can call him T-Mac lol) Just think that would make for a really cool picture for me to have of him at this age (just over 13 months now), with the two of us wearing our #4's. It's the type of thing I can absolutely see myself getting it printed out by Shutterfly on one of those canvas like prints to hang on my wall. And seeing as they live in NYC with me in Michigan, not sure the next time I'll see him again as I can't just drive on down the street for a picture when the jersey arrives, so was hoping I'd be able to take advantage of seeing them at the end of the month to get this picture, but it would all be dependent on the jersey (and this custom onesie) being shipped in time.

Hmmmmm, interesting The team store no longer lists this as a pre-order item, but now says it will ship no later than June 13th. I'd need it to get to me by May 28th to be able to get the picture with my Nephew that I want to get. Now I really don't know what to do, as that seems like a CYA date and it very well could be shipped out earlier than that and I'd get it in time.

Even then, it's comical to think they have made them poorly to purposefully fall apart so people have to buy more. How often does someone need to wear (or maybe more accurately wash) a jersey for it to start to fall apart? Seriously, unless you wear it while playing backyard football and it's constantly getting pulled on or something, I can't see what an adult is doing to wear out a football jersey to where it needs to be replaced.

I really don't think that's the case in the slightest, if that's what they really wanted, they'd change uniforms to the soccer model where they get new jerseys literally every single season, so if you don't get the new one each year, you no longer have the team's current version. And just because it "feels like cheap stretchy material" because it's different than what it used to be, it doesn't mean they're going to fall apart, as if anything, they're more likely than not more durable. If jerseys rarely tear during NFL games, I don't think every day John Smith out there is going to be wearing his jersey into the ground when they wear it 20 times a year for games, draft, fantasy draft, etc.

It also occurred to me that they might not even be able to start shipping these out until he signs his contract and is officially on the team, that could be why they are still a pre-order even though they've confirmed his number already.

Or is it that the jerseys have just improved so much over the years that what is best for players to wear, may have reached a tipping point to where it's now a weird material/style for fans to be wearing?

I really love Sanders potential and thus never understood why so many were wanting us to take a TE in the 1st. But if he approaches 700 yards this year, it means our WR room had tons of injuries or seriously flopped. As I've said before, this year is about Bryce proving he can be the guy, but all our offensive weapons will have slightly lower stats because he's going to spread the ball around and they'll all eat into each other's potential. It's next year when Thielen leaves and we don't replace him with a new player, but T-Mac, XL, Coker, and Sanders all absorb his targets that they all start putting up the stats they are capable of.