tukafan21

If we land #1 overall, sure I'd like to be able to grab a QB, but only if there really is a can't miss guy who should go #1 overall, not someone who should go mid first but they go #1 because those teams need QBs, that's how we got in this mess. Part of me hopes it ends up a down year for QB prospects and we play it smart and get a Bears like haul in return for ours and then sign someone like Jameis for the season and maybe take a flyer on a 2nd or 3rd rounder at QB. Sure 2026 might suck, but landing a few extra 1st rounders and maybe even a quality player could really help expedite turning the franchise around and having a well built out roster before you draft and insert a QB into it to contend on their rookie contract.

Totally fair, I was just pointing out that since the 1992 season, if you say Hurts is still a HOF TBD, there have only been 4 SB winning QB's who aren't already in the HOF or HOF locks. Which in itself is just a crazy thing to look at and is proof that you can't just win a SB with a great roster, you really do need an elite QB.

Right team, wrong year and player. Since the 2003 season, there are only 2 SB winning QB's who won't end up in the HOF (Hurts not included as I think that's still up in the air), would be Flacco and Foles. The next worst QB to win in that time frame would be Eli, followed by Wilson, and then Big Ben. The other SB winning QB's since then... Brady, Mahomes, Stafford, Peyton, Rodgers, Brees... basically some of the best to ever play the game and Stafford, a surefire HOFer after winning his SB. You have to go back to the 2002 season to find a truly average QB to have won the SB with Brad Johnson and then 2 years before that with Dilfer. Before that, you have to go all the way back to the 1991 season when the Redskins won, everyone else between there are HOFers.

For me it was the incompletion to Sanders. Yes, Sanders still should have caught the ball anyways, but Bryce had to make a jump pass from a standing still position because of his height and oncoming pass rusher. Because of that combined with his weak arm, it was a low pass, whereas a QB with a real NFL arm (and size) is making that throw with ease and still hitting the receiver in the chest with the ball, not down by their knees.

This is literally all it ever comes down to for me with Bryce. He doesn't have a single physical trait at the average level of a starting QB in the NFL, it's why the draft pick itself just never made any sense to me. Picking Bryce (for any team) was always going to be betting on him becoming the biggest outlier in the history of the sport/position because of his "super brain" he sold everyone on. Just that FACT alone should have kept him out of any discussion for a #1 overall pick, let alone a massive trade up to go get him. So then, if that super brain hasn't figured it out by Year 3, it's pretty clear that he never will, and when that's the case, his physical limitations just don't allow him to be a successful long term solution.

The toe was bad, the walking slowly back to the LOS at the end of the first half was SOOOOOOOOOO much worse. That's literally middle school football 101, end of a half in the hurry up, you don't just casually stroll back to the LOS, just mind boggling how that can happen in the NFL like that.

It's not like he's a Greg Hardy or Deshaun Watson. Those are bad people in a totally different way than Smitty is a "bad person" like you say. Being a jerk shouldn't factor into where he ranks amongst other players in a franchise's history. Luke's career was too short, Peppers left on his own for half his career before returning at the end, and Cam, for as great as he was, was still a very up and down passer who couldn't lead us to back to back winning seasons (don't hate on me, Cam is my Quarterback, love him to death, but just calling it objectively like I see it). Smitty was a special teams draft pick who's dog mentality drove him to a HOF career as a truly 1 of 1 type of player for his position. There has never been before, or since, a player of Smith's size who plays the WR position the way he did. Don't like him all you want, but he's still the Panthers GOAT, sorry.

He's just upset that T-Mac is making him look like a fool and already looking like he might be a long term threat to his status as the Panthers WR GOAT. Trust me, Smitty is my guy, in my opinion, he's the Panthers overall GOAT too, with all due respect to Cam, Luke, and Peppers. But he does seem like the type to me to be upset about being wrong on the guy who is going to be a threat to his records and franchise standing.

Hopefully, because he wouldn't be eating too many W's here

You really think the Bengals are going to give up a 2nd round pick, particularly given their current cap situation, for a 3 month rental of Bryce with the hopes of him keeping them in the hunt until Burrow comes back?!?! That would be a completely asinine move on their part. They're almost certainly going to just go with Browning while bringing in a vet to help mentor him. Which is why I think they'd give up a 6th or 7th to bring Dalton back home to be that guy. And given the Giants having absolutely no use for Jameis, I think they'd be willing to move him for that late round pick right now too.

He's on pace for 1,428 right now with Bryce With Jameis for a 17 game season, he legit could lead the league in receiving yards as a rookie.

3 Team Trade... Bengals receive Dalton from Panthers Giants receive late draft pick from Bengals Panthers receive Jameis from the Giants Gives us a big fearless arm to eventually put into the lineup when Bryce gets hurt or sucks more, which will help us develop T-Mac, Coker, Brycen, Horn Jr, Sanders, Evans, and XL.

Well, to be fair, not sure I ever actually even predicted we'd take him, just that we should because he'd be a stud at a position we haven't been able to fill properly since we lost Smitty (and kinda DJ), which he's clearly proving me to be correct about.

When I saw the thread just now and saw the date of the first post, I said to myself, “oh nice, can’t wait to see what I said in here” and then was shocked to not see a post from me in there, lol

He also won the HS version of this award in 2021 as well. And clearly I must have never seen this thread at the time or else I obviously would have posted in it, LOL

Yup, watch the second play of this clip… His college QB knew this, if you get an offsides free play, you have to throw it up to T-Mac no matter what, every single time.

I loved how all the Bryce defenders kept pointing to us hanging right there with the Chiefs and Eagles as the proof that Bryce turned the corner. But completely dismissed when people would point out that there was a 99.99% chance that both those teams just looked past us those weeks and didn't take the game as seriously as they should have. It's like they didn't realize that happens ALL THE TIME in all professional sports. The best teams in the league often are in close games with the worst teams in the league because they mentally took the week off. Sure, sometimes they still beat the poo out of them too, but when those games are close, 99 times out of 100, it's because the better team got lazy, not because the crap team all of a sudden turned a corner.

Yea, the difference though is that Georgia is a football powerhouse with tons of great players over the years, Arizona, is, well, not. lol Plus, like you said, we've had a bunch of them over the years. T-Mac is the best offensive player in Arizona's history (and a real argument to be made for overall best player, it would be a battle between him and a couple defensive guys). He also was the first Wildcat to ever be drafted by the Panthers (the last team to have never taken one of us). And as far as I'm aware, in the 21 years since I first went out there for school, Antoine Cason is the only other Wildcat we've had on the roster (and yea, I know he didn't work out for us, but dude was an All American and Thorpe winner for Arizona while I was there in school as we were freshman the same year, so yea, I was a big fan of his).

Not sure how accurate this is, will be curious to see the breakdowns from the people who go through the All 22 video. On my Arizona board, a bunch of people who were at the game have been saying even though they're Cardinals fans, they were rooting for T-Mac and were getting frustrated at how often he was running wide open and Bryce was throwing a check down to someone else instead of even looking T-Mac's way. I also saw an article talking about two plays where T-Mac broke loose behind the defense and if Bryce held onto it for another half second he'd have had an open deep ball look, but instead checked it down a hair too early. So sure, maybe they were giving him more attention, but from the sound of it, he was still getting open but Bryce was the one making the decision to look elsewhere.

Some interesting tidbits in this one... https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/panthers-rookie-wr-tetairoa-mcmillan-historic-start He has 129 yards on "downfield passes" through two games, the next most any rookie has this year is 55 yards. Fastest a Panther has reached 100 receiving yards in a game, doing it in his 2nd game, KB and CMC previously were tied having done it in their 3rd games. Most catches by a Panther in their first two games with 11, previously it was Moose and CMC with 9. Most yards by a Panther in their first two games with 168, previously it was KB with 138.

Also.... Biakabutuka is the reason I'm a Panthers fan to begin with and have had this name for 15+ years on here, but part of me feels like I really need to change my name now to TMacFan4 or something, LOL

Stud: WR Tetairoa McMillan In the midst of all the incompetence and mediocrity, there's one shining hope for the future of this franchise. Rookie wide receiver Tetairoa McMillan led the team with six catches and 100 receiving yards. He also had an extremely impressive one-handed catch wiped out becaue he couldn't quite stay in-bounds. McMillan is a bit slower, but there are flashes of some Julio Jones in his game. His route running and YAC ability are both far better than they were advertised coming out of the draft. Or, you know, exactly what anyone who watched enough of his tape would have known. Honestly, our Arizona board could never understand this knock on him in the pre-draft process, because we all knew it wasn't true. And sure, we're fans who watched all his games, but you'd think the experts who supposedly watch all the snaps of these type of prospects would have been seeing it too, it was glaringly obvious to us. Seriously, how many times did I say here that he could run every route needed? How many times did I talk about his surprisingly good run after catch ability for someone his size? How he wasn't a burner, but he was amazingly smooth for a 6'5" WR? As I've said, only 2 players from Arizona, both football and basketball, have I ever felt they were 1 million percent can't miss stars in the pros. T-Mac and Gronkowski, that's it. One is the greatest TE in NFL history, the other is about to take Smitty's mantle as the Panthers WR GOAT when all is said and done.

They really would have been a perfect pairing of WRs as they're both so good, yet complete opposite types of players. But with all our holes on defense, if Ladd showed the same potential had we drafted him, no way they could have justified going WR again, even I might have been against it (okay, we all know that's not true, I'd still haver taken my guy, but I'd at least have admitted it wasn't smart).