tukafan21

Have they though? I'll give you KC with Kelce, but c'mon, they weren't winning those SB's because they had a great TE, it was a combination of Mahomes and some great defenses. Will also give you the 49ers and Ravens with Kittle and Andrews, but even then, both have missed time with injuries the last few years. After those 3 teams, the best teams of the last 2-3 years have not had elite TEs The Eagles had Goedert, he's good, not great. The Bills have also had good but not great TE's The Rams have had average TEs and still consistently run 2 and 3 TE sets with them and still win. The Bucs have been winning the South without a great TE The Lions' Laporta is more a name than a highly productive TE. The Texans have had a serviceable TE in Shultz, but nothing too amazing. Some of the best TE's in the league the last few years have been on some of the worst teams. McBride, Bowers, Warren, Njoku, even Pitts this past year. A true elite TE is absolutely a weapon in today's game, but I think the best teams use that money elsewhere and find serviceable TE play, usually through a committee where each TE brings something else to the table.

Nay No point in "wasting" even a mid round pick on a QB this year in case Bryce turns into that guy for us. And if he doesn't, I'd rather just take a shot on a QB in the 1st next year than hope we get lucky in the mid rounds this year.

Yes and no, part of why people were saying that about this year's draft class was the expectation by many that Manning and Dante Moore would have been coming out. They very well could be the #1 and #2 picks in the draft next year, so hard to be too worried about next year's class for the reason of "they were saying that about this year" due to that.

It could be Metchie, it could be Horn Jr, and even though I'm basically ready to move on, it very well could end up being XL too. But that's why I don't really like the idea of a WR in the 1st, I think we can find a way to make that slot position work with what we have and/or another signing or mid round pick. Drafting a WR in the 1st this year would be 3 years in a row while also hitting on an UDFA at the position in the same time frame, just a bad use of resources currently and sets you up for problems keeping them together as they all hit contract extensions at the same time frame.

Not a fan of WR in the 1st unless the team has reservations about Coker's ceiling. I think Coker can be a perfect #2 to T-Mac, and if that's the case, drafting a WR in the 1st Round this year makes no sense. Sure it would upgrade our #3 WR spot, whether it's the rookie or Coker in that role, but in reality it doesn't make sense for the long term. Doing that means we're drafting Coker's replacement, as if he hit on the pick, you can't have 3 WRs who all need to get paid within a year of each other or you run into the problems the Bengals are in right now, who are struggling just to pay 2 of them, let alone 3. We need to compliment T-Mac and Coker with a serviceable speedy #3 right now, which is a type of player you usually can get on the cheap in FA year to year or in the 3/4 round range. Then if we want to bring in a better #3 option, we do it in the 1st Round a year or two after T-Mac and Coker get their big extensions, as then it's a more manageable WR for cap purposes for 3-5 more years.

This And with possibly needing to replace Bryce next year and a deep QB class, I do not hate the idea of moving far enough back to pick up another 1st rounder next year out of the deal. I wouldn't have said that a week ago, but I also never expected us to land 3 big FA's at our 3 biggest positions of need like we have, it totally changes things.

Am I the only one who doesn't understand this fan bases infatuation with adding a high end TE? Especially when we have some bigger bodies in T-Mac and Coker who can slide into the slot at times and provide the big dependable target over the middle that most teams use their TE for. I mean, sure, it would be nice to have one of those elite TE's, but I feel like that's a position your better off going cheap with a committee who each bring something different to the table while spending our cap room on the more important positions. I like the potential we saw from Evans this year, Sanders could be a best if he can stay healthy, and Tremble has improved as well. Just feels like spending high draft picks or cap space on other needs and more important positions is a better use of our resources than splashing on a TE in the draft or FA. Are those guys on the level of the Bowers or McBride's of the world? Of course not, but we also are paying a fraction of the cost on our TE room than they are, and we're able to use that money for other needs.

Wow, so we’ve now filled our 3 biggest roster holes with legitimate impact players. And while everyone says this is now making the draft a true BPA pick now, I think it actually significantly increases the chances we trade back. If we can pick up a future 1st to move back in the 1st this year, or even into the top of the 2nd round, then I’d be all for it. Filling these 3 holes, it actually makes it more difficult for us to find a week 1 starter in the 1st, so trading back could make a ton of sense.

He tried to run his girlfriend off the road by purposefully crashing his car into her, then ran from the cops and assaulted them. There are a lot of crimes NFL teams will look past and give a player a shot, I'd be shocked if any of them do that in this instance.

return quickly? dude is never playing another snap in the NFL again.

But you’re still ignoring my point in that post. If he’s our 3rd best WR like you think, then he’d be the 2nd best on the Jets and they decided not to give the RFA tender to him, which would have kept him there on the cheap. To me that says everything

But again, to your point, it's the Jets and they have nobody outside of Wilson at WR for next year. So if Metchie is really as good as you think he is, why wouldn't they have made the RFA tender offer to him? That to me is the bad sign, that the Jets had him there for most of last season and they didn't want to try and keep him despite their awful WR room.

No, he needs to earn his paycheck in the draft. No matter how good you are in Free Agency, you can't be a sustainable and SB contending team without drafting well, and that goes beyond the 1st round.

Only if the team doesn't think Brooks can be good. I want to give Brooks a chance, as if he's healthy, he should be the best RB on the team next year, and he won't get that chance if Kamara is here along with Chuba. But if they don't think he can be the same player we expected when drafting him anymore, then I'd be all for it, as he'd be a great receiving back to pair with Chuba.

It was the season he won the Heisman and Metchie had the best year of his career while being named 2nd team All SEC, not to mention I'm sure they still threw together quite a bit his Freshman year when he backed up Mac Jones. We're not talking about some 400 yard season, they had a real connection that year. He's been a teammate with Metchie longer than he's been with T-Mac and for the same amount of time as Coker and XL. Sure, it was a few years back, but these guys also remain friends with former college teammates, so he still could have a better relationship with Metchie than any of our current WRs due to the longevity. There is no way we're signing Metchie if not for the Bryce connection, so to dismiss it like that is the crazy thing.

What?!?! Say you think he can turn into something at some point, but this is a whole lot of praise for someone with less than 700 yards across 3 seasons of his career. If he was remotely close to being the 3rd best WR on our team right now, the Jets wouldn't have let him walk without tendering him the RFA offer.

Exactly my point And signing a WR that might be a camp fodder level of talent, but has a history of being a safety valve for Bryce, isn't going to help him out this year, it only has the potential for him to fall into old traps again. Would have been thrilled with this move 2 years ago. But 2 more seasons of Metchie not showing much, and just not a fan of it at this point with such a critical season upcoming for Bryce and the franchise.

And yet, the Jets didn't even tender him a RFA offer. Yet another reason I don't love this, if the Jets don't think he's good enough to keep around given their WR needs, then why do we think he is?

I get it, but the "trust" is my problem. Would just rather bring in a better player than someone Bryce trusts. We need a real #3 in the slot, not players who have been on 3 teams in the last 18 months and none of them wanted to keep him around. Now... if you tell me that the staff is actually 100% sold on Horn Jr being the clear cut slot starter this year, then maybe I'll feel differently. As that then pushes XL into the #4 (like I want if he's still here), Moore as the #5 (aka special teamer), and then Metchie is just someone to make Bryce comfortable with in camp and fight out Tremayne for the last possible roster spot that wouldn't get a jersey on game days. I just doubt that's the case given Horn Jr's usage late in the season, didn't scream "we think he can be our #3 next year"

Honestly, think I'd rather have brought back Curtis than sign Metchie (and Curtis' NFL career may be done anyways). At least he would be a great vet presence to have for T-Mac, Coker, and XL.

He's played 3 full seasons since then, if he's not fully recovered from the leukemia, then he shouldn't have been playing the last 3 years. I'll also be honest that I don't think I've seen any of his Jets highlights, but 256 yards in 9 games and 7 starts, doesn't scream showing flashes to me.

Which again, is why he's the wrong guy to bring in if that's the case. Bring in any one of another couple dozen players with the same abilities, not a friend of Bryce's who is either going to get unwarranted targets and/or frustrate Bryce when/if we end up cutting him. This is a make or break year for Bryce and this coaching staff. Don't bring in borderline roster guys when we only have 2 legitimate NFL WRs right now.

He's a 3 year vet with what, 5-7 decent games throughout his career? He's had more than good enough OL play the last 2 seasons to have shown better decision making than he has in that time. And he had the ROY this past season along with a breakout WR the second half of the season. Bryce's problems are Bryce's to solve, not improving the roster around him. And that's not to say we can't still improve the roster around him, but he was the #1 pick, we've given him enough to where he 100% should have shown more with it so far.

Is he? I wanted him a few years ago because I thought he was talented as well. But 686 yards in 3 seasons and been traded twice in the last 7 months, doesn't really scream "talented player" any more.

This is exactly what concerns me about this move. Has Bryce really shown you enough for you to think he won't have that sentimentality when the pass rush is coming down on him? He's shown me the exact opposite, that in those situations, he's goes to what's most comfortable to him and not what is the best football decision. And putting a guy on the team who was one of his main WRs the year he won the Heisman scares me. This is a huge year for Bryce and the team, combined with it being a big year of growth for both T-Mac and Coker. We don't need them losing potential targets to a player who doesn't deserve them based on their abilities.