tukafan21

If it's T-Mac, I will riot, lol

Says the guy who's analysis of T-Mac is as "a slower XL with better hands" So please excuse me if I don't put much regard behind your opinion of where he's worth being drafted. As I've said over and over again on here, if people want to draft someone else for legitimate reasons, I have no issue with that, it's totally fair. But it's when people say they don't want to draft T-Mac for these weird asinine made up reasons that I take issue with.

They literally didn't, the school put out that he ran 4.48, it was one of the various scouts there who had him at the 4.46 that I mentioned.

So, T-Mac was targeted 5 times with Hunter on him in that game. T-Mac caught 3 of the 5 passes, one of them for a TD, and if you read the article, Hunter also had a Pass Interference call on him against T-Mac in the game... all in a game that T-Mac had over 100 yards and Arizona won... that's 4 positive plays out of 6 targets when Hunter was covering him, something he likely didn't do a ton of seeing as T-Mac had 10 targets and 6 catches with others covering him. And you take that as Hunter winning the battle and the proof that you need to pass on T-Mac? At the absolute worst, that's a push, and even for it to be that, you'd need to show video of Hunter completely locking T-Mac down on every route he covered him and caused the QB to check down off T-Mac to someone else.

I think we're saying the same thing, but it's the semantics you're getting hung up on lol. If Coker had the size, hands, catch radius, and route tree of T-Mac, then you could say he would be a similar player, but if that was the case, then there would be a 0% chance he'd have gone undrafted. I just went with the shorthand instead of going into the many reasons they aren't similar players lol

Yea I know, I guess my point was just that if Coker could even be remotely compared to T-Mac, even in just how they play, then he wouldn't have gone undrafted, at least XL was always going to be a 1st or high 2nd round pick and is a big body (even if that's where the comparisons end, it's still closer than Coker lol)

You know what, I'll do you one better........... Show me this video you claim is out there of T-Mac having 5 catches for 34 yards AGAINST HUNTER in the game this past season and I won't make a single post about T-Mac again leading into the draft, not one post. Mods can hold me to this too, if he posts the video he is claiming that is out there and I make one more post even remotely related to T-Mac, they can ban me from the site for life.

Sure, I was more going with the comparison of an undrafted player last year to a probable Top 10 pick this year

I mean, it got the reaction out of me, so if it was trolling, it did it's job perfectly. If it wasn't trolling, then yea, I don't even know what to say. Comparing Coker to T-Mac, that's just... something else.

This is either elite level trolling, or the posts we needed to say he is the dumbest person on this site, not sure there is anything in between them now that he's said these two things.

Clearly it's not, because you're describing a video that literally can't possibly exist. T-Mac only had 2 catches in that game before Hunter was shut down, so there LITERALLY can't be a video showing video proof of him having 5 catches with Hunter covering him in that game. So I'm not going to try and find some mystical video that you're claiming is out there Show me the video..................................

Show me this video... Because just for poos and giggles, I just went to that game's play by play and searched for T-Mac's catches. And he only had 2 catches in the 1st half, and I know FOR A FACT that Hunter didn't play a single snap in the 2nd half. So flat out, you're incorrect here, no if's, and's or but's about it. Again, I'm not trying to defend a bad game by him, but this all started with you saying he did that vs Hunter, he didn't, I've shown you that, it's a flat out fact, but you still seem to ignore it. And before you go off and say "well then Hunter shut him down even more when he was playing", it doesn't matter to what THIS argument is about. Because even what I just looked up doesn't prove that, because Hunter was in and out of the game even in the first half because of the injury, and even if he played every snap, without watching the game footage to see why T-Mac had the stats he did in that game, it means nothing. AND... even beyond all of that, if you're wanting to judge a player based off a single game, or really, a single half of a game, then you're opinion should be null and void. You want to disregard 3 seasons of elite play for one half of play against one player. You realize that great players battle all the time, and sometimes one wins the matchup and the next time the other does. Even if Hunter completely shut down T-Mac in that game, it doesn't change who T-Mac is as a prospect, it would still be just one game.

Yup, all of this. I love the people who talk about him only being a contested catch guy and just dismiss when I bring up that he was 5th in the Big 12 in YAC, all it does is show they have done nothing more than watch all the highlight clips of his absurd contested catches, but not watch the 20+ minute videos out there of every catch he's made and all the YAC he picks up. And the poor QB play thing is way too overlooked by people, he probably would have had another 200-300 yards and 3-5 more TDs this year with just marginally better QB play. The number of times he was open and would have had a TD with a good pass, but instead, the QB just flat out missed him badly, was far too many to count.

Why? Why is T-Mac's stat line against Colorado in 2024 when Hunter barely played more important? It's not like T-Mac took a step back in 2024, he was still 3rd in the nation in yards, despite having a new coaching staff that was terrible, a massive drop-off in his QB play, and not having other weapons on the offense to take attention away from him. If 2024 is more important, I'd say still finishing up 3rd in the nation in yards despite those things is FAR more impressive on the whole than one bad game against Colorado. AND.... before you go and try and say, "well he racked up 304 yards against a bad UNM team" (as I know people love to try and use that against him)... Take 200 yards off his total that game, so he only had 104 in that game and he still finishes 7th in the nation in yards, despite playing 1 less game than most of those guys as Arizona didn't play in a bowl game this year.

Video of what? Hunter standing on the sideline for the entire 2nd half? Again, I'm not trying to excuse a bad game by T-Mac, it happens to all players. I'm solely responding to your post that he did it vs Hunter, he did not as Hunter came into the game hurt, played sparingly in the first half, and then was sat for the entire 2nd half to not risk further injury. And again, even if I wasn't here to point out this absolutely impossible to contradict FACT, and all you had to go off of was the box scores, how does his 2023 and 2024 box scores in those games not in essence cancel each other out anyways?

He had 9 Rec, 107 Yards, and a TD vs Hunter in 2023 That is a much more accurate statement than yours, because at least Hunter played in that whole game. But neither are even fully accurate statements, to make an actually accurate statement you'd need to go back and watch every play from those games to see how often he was actually matched up with Hunter to know what he actually did against them. Which again, off the top of my head, I don't have the slightest beginning of an answer to that. The only thing I can say for certain is that I know the TD was in 1 on 1 red zone coverage against Hunter.

You're literally lying in THIS post, because that's NOT what you said. You said he did that vs Hunter... which doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what you're really saying is "hunter held him to those stats" Which again, is just flat out incorrect as Hunter barely played in that game. As I've said, he had a bad game, I'm not dismissing that, I'm just pointing out the FACTS that he didn't have those stats "vs Hunter" like YOU said... this isn't that hard to see.

Say something dumb and just untrue, get called out for it, laugh at them as if they're still wrong. You were a debate champion weren't you? Was your go-to rebuttal "well I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you, hahaha GOT EM!" I've said time and time again.... don't like T-Mac the prospect or just don't want to draft him for whatever REAL reasons... but say dumb and just flat out incorrect things about him, and I'm going to call them out. And this one isn't even a debate about if he's fast or good enough to be an elite WR, it's just a flat out incorrect statement about Hunter vs T-Mac in that game, black and white facts.

You realize it's okay to just admit you said something wrong, right? I'm not saying you are forced to come around on drafting T-Mac or even liking him as a prospect. But it's okay to just be like, "you know what, you're right, I didn't know that about that particular game, so my post insinuating that Hunter shut him down there was wrong, but I still don't like him as a prospect and/or drafting him at #8." I could have just responded with the stat line from the previous season when T-Mac had a great game against them/him, but instead I took the time to actually explain why what you said wasn't correct, because no matter how you slice it, that's just the case. Hunter barely played that game, so insinuating that he shut T-Mac down is just flat out incorrect. But you just want to dismiss me as the crazy T-Mac fan, instead of just being like, "my bad, you're right on this one" I'm not even saying T-Mac didn't have a poor game that week, it happens to all players, no big deal. But yea, when people say or imply dumb things that are 100% contrary to realities, I'm going to call them out every time.

So, you make a post that is completely and 100% ignorant of the facts, I point out those FACTS, and you want to say it's just "excuses"? What is the excuse? That Hunter barely played in that game so clearly, he didn't shut T-Mac down? That you pulled out a stat line from a game where Hunter barely played, while I pulled out a stat line from a game where he played the whole game and T-Mac put up great numbers, including a TD in a 1 on 1 coverage by Hunter? And hell, ALLLLLL of that aside, you're basically implying that one bad game, even if it was against the #1 ranked corner in the draft who shut him down (which again, wasn't the case as he barely played) would out weigh the fact that he put up elite stats over the course of his career? Do you not see how crazy that sounds?

See, I'm glad when people say things like this, because it shows they don't have a clue, for multiple reasons, classic case of cherry picking box scores and not anything else. The first and main thing being that Hunter barely played in that game this year, he was already dinged up going into the game and I can't remember if he played in the 2nd quarter of that game off the top of my head, but I know for a fact he didn't play a single snap in the 2nd half. While at the same time, T-Mac also didn't play much in the 2nd half of that game either, because it was out of hand. The 2nd is that box score analysis like this is then ignoring when he put up 9 rec for 107 yards and a TD against Colorado and a healthy Hunter in 2023. And even then, while I'll openly admit I don't know off the top of my head how many of those 9 catches came against Hunter in coverage, I know for a fact that the TD was a red zone TD against Hunter in 1 on 1 coverage against him. And also, all of that aside, none of it really matters because individual box score hunting is pointless without going back and watching every snap from the game. I do remember our offense was an utter mess that game, so there is a very good chance his poor stat line in that game was more on the coaches and QB than anything T-Mac, Hunter, or anyone else on the defense did that game anyways. It's weird that people want to pull out of context game log lines like that, but just want to ignore that over his 3 year career, he put up true elite stats, broke basically all school receiving records, had numerous great games against good teams, etc, etc, etc.

People make those comments about me every time T-Mac comes up in a thread. I'm not above being able to laugh at myself and make a joke at my own expense, if that's "weird" then so be it.

uh oh, looks like HE showed up, glad I was in before then

Exactly Everyone wants speed at WR because we don't have it right now, but just because you want speed, doesn't mean EVERY prospect we look at there needs to be a burner. You can find speed at other places in the draft or FA, but guys with T-Mac's size, hands, and catch radius just don't come around often. Those things make him more of a unicorn than speed would, there is only one Tyreek Hill in the league, the other FAST players aren't quite like him, but there are still far more FAST players in this league than guys like T-Mac. If you need a player like T-Mac to also have track speed, then you're never going to be happy. There's been 2 of those guys in NFL history, Calvin and Moss, so sure, let's poo on T-Mac because he doesn't have the speed of maybe the 2 best WRs of all time. We have Thielen for this season, but there isn't a current WR on the roster who you can pencil in as a guaranteed starter in 2026, passing on a guy like T-Mac when that's our WR room is just insane to me. Sure, we see some potential in XL and Coker, but both are closer to being JAGs than true #1 or even #2 WRs as of right now. T-Mac gives us a #1 for the next decade, I don't understand how people are willing to pass on that because he isn't a track star, particularly when our QB doesn't even have the type of arm to properly and fully take advantage of that type of speed anyways.