tukafan21

I swear this has nothing to do with me obviously wanting T-Mac, but I'm a HARD pass on a WR in the 2nd, literally solely based on our inability to hit on those picks over the years, we're really really bad at it and just seems like we throw those picks away. Much rather use the 2nd on the defensive side of the ball no matter what we do with the 1st round pick.

No research, I'm just an Arizona alum so I know he's projected as a 2nd rounder. And there is never a scenario I'd be on board with using any 2nd round pick on a player who you legitimately hope would never touch the field as a rookie when you have as many holes as we still do. Even if you think they are going to be a starter for you in the future, taking a player in the 2nd who can't help you this year outside of injuries would be epically stupid.

Show me one person who has said WR's don't need to watch film? We've said it's not as important as other positions, which is true, because there is much less for a WR to study on film than any other position. Also... he never once said he doesn't watch film, he literally in that clip says he watches it, it's just not something that he loves to do. Lots of people love their jobs but don't love ALL aspects of it, how is this any different?

So.... You use stats to say why you don't like someone, then tell another poster to present their stats and you'll look at it... but when I use stats to directly refute your stats about him in games vs ranked teams, as you looked at a 4 game sample and I showed you the full 15 game log against ranked opponents, you basically say stats don't matter as much as other things. Okay. Also, he wouldn't have been the 5th WR taken last year, he MIGHT have been the 4th, but that's because he would have been in direct competition with Odunze for the 3rd off the board, which means even if he did go 4th, it likely would have been right around the Top 10 anyways, but still a very legitimate shot at going 3rd before Odunze anyways.

How about the stats I presented then?

All of this too, I tried to keep mine on the box score game logs myself, since too many people only want to see the raw numbers and not game flow and the WHY of things. People who didn't watch every Arizona game the last 2 years also just can't understand how much the offense as a whole took a step back after the coaching change. The play design and calling was atrocious and the QB play dropped off a cliff. I've said it before but not sure people cared... about halfway through the season T-Mac tweaked his ankle. He came out for a play or two to get looked at but went right back in and that was it. But the Arizona fan based was openly rooting for him to just shut it down for the year after that game because they all felt the team was screwing his draft stock and he was better off not playing than going out there and having his QB/coaches let him down. I wish I had a video reel of all the times our QB just missed him when he was WIDE open and even just an average pass would have lead to a TD, instead it was an incomplete pass that landed 10 feet away from him.

lol, I love when people make posts like this. First things first, people keep pointing to the Colorado game and "what he did vs Hunter" so I'll keep pointing out that Hunter barely even played in that game because he was injured, was in and out in the first half and didn't play a snap in the 2nd half. This was brought up a week or two ago and I think it was that T-Mac was targeted 5 times when Hunter was in coverage, catching 3 of them as well as drawing a pass interference call on him too. Beyond that, it's also just disingenuous to point to that game this year when we had a terrible coaching staff and our QB played terribly all year, while ignoring the 9 rec, 107 yards, and TD that he put up against Colorado the year before when Hunter was healthy and played the full game, including the TD catch being in 1 on 1 coverage against Hunter. That big ASU rivalry game where he only had 68 yards (and a TD btw)? Okay, so if I give you that game, do I then get to count the 11 rec, 266 yards, and TD that he had in the game against ASU in 2023? He played 15 games against ranked teams in his 3 years and had 90 rec, 1,227 yards, 9 TDs. Which means during his college career, he averaged 82 yards per game against ranked teams, and you happened to conveniently call out 3 games where he had less than that average and a game that didn't even play out in the way you are insinuating it did.

So a player needs to love watching football in their free time to love playing it? I love golf, but I hate watching it on TV. You're making an extrapolation based on an off handed comment from a few years ago, it's a massive leap to say he doesn't love football from that.

Exactly WR is the least important position for watching film, and there is even an argument that them watching too much film to study tendencies COULD actually be a hinderance to the team. NFL QB's don't throw the ball to open WR's, they throw the ball to a spot where they expect the WR to be when the ball gets there. If WR's are out there trying to make decisions on the fly based on what they are seeing, then it greatly increases the chances of them and the QB not being on the same page and leading to INT's because the QB threw the ball expecting the WR to run his route and he broke it off into something else because of what he expected the defense to do. It's why QB's need to be the massive film watchers, because it's on them to then see what the whole defense is doing and make the right choice as to which player to throw the ball to, as he knows exactly where his WR is going based on the play/route called. Every other position needs film study more, linemen need it to study tendencies, running back's need it to predict what the defense is doing to know where the hole will open up, defensive players need to recognize the play the offense is trying to run. But WR's, they need to run exactly where the QB is expecting them to, which is the play call, not what they see on the fly. Yes, there are option routes, but those aren't dictated by what they are seeing on film, but what the defender is doing in the moment. As in, if they're shading you this direction, you go that way, or if they are in Cover 2 vs Zone, you do this or that. Those aren't things you need extensive film study to do, they're general hard and fast rules that apply to any team you're playing.

Why though? Don't get me wrong, it's an Arizona guy, I'd love him to be a Panther, but he's probably going to be a 2nd round pick and we have a full starting OL, I'm not really on board with drafting someone in the 2nd who best case scenario this year won't see a single snap on the field outside of the FG unit. We have far too many holes to draft a backup OL in the 2nd, even if they should be a future starter for us down the line.

T-Mac will have some of the best hands in the NFL the second he's drafted, it's quite literally his best trait and is as elite as they can get. For all the legitimate things to ask questions about with him, his hands just flat out aren't one of them. If you watch his highlight reels you'll see it, the dude just has glue for hands. And for all the hate I get for what I say about him, even those who get on me for it, the ones who have watched enough of his tape even have to begrudgingly agree with me on this one.

Give stupid takes, get called out and told why. Don't want to see them? Stop staying dumb things like "I don't want him because he said he doesn't enjoy watching film from a video from 2 years ago during his freshman year"

Also... again, it's not even like he said he doesn't watch film, just that he doesn't enjoy it. I know some football players are film junkies, just like some people are that way with certain aspects of any job. But there is no job out there that you have to enjoy doing the "worst" part of the job to be great at the job. It would be like not wanting to have Allen Iverson on your team because he doesn't like practice. (and no, before someone jumps on me for it, I'm not trying to say T-Mac is going to be a 1st ballot HOF legend like Iverson, just pointing out that you can be great and still not enjoy the tedious parts of the game/job)

Oh 100%, it's hard to play that position without being it a little bit these days. But there is a difference in the type of diva who thinks they're the best and having swagger/confidence and the type of diva that is all about themselves and not the team first. Players don't turn down NIL money, it's near unheard of. So for a player to flat out tell boosters that he has enough NIL money coming in and they should use it to keep other players from transferring so we could put a better team on the field, it just says so much about his character. And if you think a player who does THAT, is then going to have an attitude problem because he isn't a film junkie who loves to study and thus will end up hurting the team's ability to win, then you're just fooling yourself because he's not the guy you want. I've said it too many times... don't want to draft him, totally fine by me. But use legitimate and real reasons for not wanting him and/or just preferring someone else over him. This video isn't that, and if you're using it as a reason to not want him, then you can't say I'm the one with an agenda when talking about T-Mac, because then you do too, just the polar opposite.

Yep, he's such a diva that he literally turned down NIL money this past year and told the boosters offering it to him to spread it around to other players to help keep them in town after our coaching staff left last year. I really don't want a guy with that kind of character on my team, just too much all about himself.

So 2 years ago, a Freshman doesn't say he doesn't watch film at all, just that he doesn't watch it on his own because they do it as a group. And that is what is turning people off of him now? Good lord, don't want to draft a player if you don't want to, but this is such an asinine reason to jump on. Even just setting aside that it's not like he said he doesn't watch film at all, it's also ignoring that WR is the one position on the field that for the most part, doesn't really require a player to be a film junkie to be elite. It's the one position on the field where players almost never make their own decisions of what to do, and in fact, if they are making their own decisions, it's more likely to end up costing the team than helping them. Every other position needs to understand what the other team is likely to do so they know what they should do in return. The OL/DL needs to be able to recognize what the other's tendencies are and what they're planning on doing so they know who to pick up or what to look for. RB's need to recognize what the defenders are doing pre-snap so they know where their lanes are likely to open up. LB's and DB's need to recognize what the offense is planning on doing so they can try and beat the offensive player to the spot to make a play. And QB's of course need to know everything. But WR's, not so much. Sure it would be good for them to recognize the coverage they're facing, but for the most part, that's not that hard, not to the point where the player needs to be a film junkie on their own. And more to the point, WR's aren't supposed to be making their own decisions based on what they're seeing, because the QB needs to trust them to be exactly where the QB expects them to be. It's why they run the routes for the play that is called and it's on the QB to alter their route pre-snap, and if the QB does that, it's still on the WR to run the route the QB told them to, not whatever they want, because if they don't, you run the risk of INT's. Most WR film study is to see what specific DB's will do to them, and really, that type of film is best watched with coaches anyways so they can advice on how to best attack said technique/strategy from the DB. This video is a big fat nothing burger.

If it's T-Mac, I will riot, lol

Says the guy who's analysis of T-Mac is as "a slower XL with better hands" So please excuse me if I don't put much regard behind your opinion of where he's worth being drafted. As I've said over and over again on here, if people want to draft someone else for legitimate reasons, I have no issue with that, it's totally fair. But it's when people say they don't want to draft T-Mac for these weird asinine made up reasons that I take issue with.

They literally didn't, the school put out that he ran 4.48, it was one of the various scouts there who had him at the 4.46 that I mentioned.

So, T-Mac was targeted 5 times with Hunter on him in that game. T-Mac caught 3 of the 5 passes, one of them for a TD, and if you read the article, Hunter also had a Pass Interference call on him against T-Mac in the game... all in a game that T-Mac had over 100 yards and Arizona won... that's 4 positive plays out of 6 targets when Hunter was covering him, something he likely didn't do a ton of seeing as T-Mac had 10 targets and 6 catches with others covering him. And you take that as Hunter winning the battle and the proof that you need to pass on T-Mac? At the absolute worst, that's a push, and even for it to be that, you'd need to show video of Hunter completely locking T-Mac down on every route he covered him and caused the QB to check down off T-Mac to someone else.

I think we're saying the same thing, but it's the semantics you're getting hung up on lol. If Coker had the size, hands, catch radius, and route tree of T-Mac, then you could say he would be a similar player, but if that was the case, then there would be a 0% chance he'd have gone undrafted. I just went with the shorthand instead of going into the many reasons they aren't similar players lol

Yea I know, I guess my point was just that if Coker could even be remotely compared to T-Mac, even in just how they play, then he wouldn't have gone undrafted, at least XL was always going to be a 1st or high 2nd round pick and is a big body (even if that's where the comparisons end, it's still closer than Coker lol)

You know what, I'll do you one better........... Show me this video you claim is out there of T-Mac having 5 catches for 34 yards AGAINST HUNTER in the game this past season and I won't make a single post about T-Mac again leading into the draft, not one post. Mods can hold me to this too, if he posts the video he is claiming that is out there and I make one more post even remotely related to T-Mac, they can ban me from the site for life.