tukafan21

And Gronk was a 2nd rounder (albeit only because he missed the entire season before the draft due to injury). If we hit on a mid round TE who turns into a clear cut Top 5 TE in NFL history (like Kelce), that's different, but using 1st round capital on someone who likely wouldn't even be a Top 5 TE in the NFL over the next 5 years just doesn't seem smart use of resources.

But I also just pointed out how most of the best teams of the last 2-4 years have not had elite TE play. You're cherry picking the best TE in NFL history and another who is easily Top 5 and has an argument of being 2nd (not to mention, those teams had realistically the 2 best QB's to ever play the game, and Bryce 'aint that). I'm not going to pretend I remember Olsen's contracts when he was here, but I don't remember him ever being one of those players on contracts like the elite TE's today get. And that's why I'm not really too hung up on adding that type of TE, I just think the money is better used elsewhere and we go TE by committee with 2-3 players who compliment each other well.

Have they though? I'll give you KC with Kelce, but c'mon, they weren't winning those SB's because they had a great TE, it was a combination of Mahomes and some great defenses. Will also give you the 49ers and Ravens with Kittle and Andrews, but even then, both have missed time with injuries the last few years. After those 3 teams, the best teams of the last 2-3 years have not had elite TEs The Eagles had Goedert, he's good, not great. The Bills have also had good but not great TE's The Rams have had average TEs and still consistently run 2 and 3 TE sets with them and still win. The Bucs have been winning the South without a great TE The Lions' Laporta is more a name than a highly productive TE. The Texans have had a serviceable TE in Shultz, but nothing too amazing. Some of the best TE's in the league the last few years have been on some of the worst teams. McBride, Bowers, Warren, Njoku, even Pitts this past year. A true elite TE is absolutely a weapon in today's game, but I think the best teams use that money elsewhere and find serviceable TE play, usually through a committee where each TE brings something else to the table.

Nay No point in "wasting" even a mid round pick on a QB this year in case Bryce turns into that guy for us. And if he doesn't, I'd rather just take a shot on a QB in the 1st next year than hope we get lucky in the mid rounds this year.

Yes and no, part of why people were saying that about this year's draft class was the expectation by many that Manning and Dante Moore would have been coming out. They very well could be the #1 and #2 picks in the draft next year, so hard to be too worried about next year's class for the reason of "they were saying that about this year" due to that.

It could be Metchie, it could be Horn Jr, and even though I'm basically ready to move on, it very well could end up being XL too. But that's why I don't really like the idea of a WR in the 1st, I think we can find a way to make that slot position work with what we have and/or another signing or mid round pick. Drafting a WR in the 1st this year would be 3 years in a row while also hitting on an UDFA at the position in the same time frame, just a bad use of resources currently and sets you up for problems keeping them together as they all hit contract extensions at the same time frame.

Not a fan of WR in the 1st unless the team has reservations about Coker's ceiling. I think Coker can be a perfect #2 to T-Mac, and if that's the case, drafting a WR in the 1st Round this year makes no sense. Sure it would upgrade our #3 WR spot, whether it's the rookie or Coker in that role, but in reality it doesn't make sense for the long term. Doing that means we're drafting Coker's replacement, as if he hit on the pick, you can't have 3 WRs who all need to get paid within a year of each other or you run into the problems the Bengals are in right now, who are struggling just to pay 2 of them, let alone 3. We need to compliment T-Mac and Coker with a serviceable speedy #3 right now, which is a type of player you usually can get on the cheap in FA year to year or in the 3/4 round range. Then if we want to bring in a better #3 option, we do it in the 1st Round a year or two after T-Mac and Coker get their big extensions, as then it's a more manageable WR for cap purposes for 3-5 more years.

This And with possibly needing to replace Bryce next year and a deep QB class, I do not hate the idea of moving far enough back to pick up another 1st rounder next year out of the deal. I wouldn't have said that a week ago, but I also never expected us to land 3 big FA's at our 3 biggest positions of need like we have, it totally changes things.

Am I the only one who doesn't understand this fan bases infatuation with adding a high end TE? Especially when we have some bigger bodies in T-Mac and Coker who can slide into the slot at times and provide the big dependable target over the middle that most teams use their TE for. I mean, sure, it would be nice to have one of those elite TE's, but I feel like that's a position your better off going cheap with a committee who each bring something different to the table while spending our cap room on the more important positions. I like the potential we saw from Evans this year, Sanders could be a best if he can stay healthy, and Tremble has improved as well. Just feels like spending high draft picks or cap space on other needs and more important positions is a better use of our resources than splashing on a TE in the draft or FA. Are those guys on the level of the Bowers or McBride's of the world? Of course not, but we also are paying a fraction of the cost on our TE room than they are, and we're able to use that money for other needs.

Wow, so we’ve now filled our 3 biggest roster holes with legitimate impact players. And while everyone says this is now making the draft a true BPA pick now, I think it actually significantly increases the chances we trade back. If we can pick up a future 1st to move back in the 1st this year, or even into the top of the 2nd round, then I’d be all for it. Filling these 3 holes, it actually makes it more difficult for us to find a week 1 starter in the 1st, so trading back could make a ton of sense.

He tried to run his girlfriend off the road by purposefully crashing his car into her, then ran from the cops and assaulted them. There are a lot of crimes NFL teams will look past and give a player a shot, I'd be shocked if any of them do that in this instance.

return quickly? dude is never playing another snap in the NFL again.

But you’re still ignoring my point in that post. If he’s our 3rd best WR like you think, then he’d be the 2nd best on the Jets and they decided not to give the RFA tender to him, which would have kept him there on the cheap. To me that says everything

But again, to your point, it's the Jets and they have nobody outside of Wilson at WR for next year. So if Metchie is really as good as you think he is, why wouldn't they have made the RFA tender offer to him? That to me is the bad sign, that the Jets had him there for most of last season and they didn't want to try and keep him despite their awful WR room.

No, he needs to earn his paycheck in the draft. No matter how good you are in Free Agency, you can't be a sustainable and SB contending team without drafting well, and that goes beyond the 1st round.