tukafan21

That's fair, I'm just hoping Brazell shows out well enough in camp and another like Horn Jr plays well enough to where they're comfortable trading XL if there is any pre-season hype. I think he is who we've seen, he's now had 7 years of football after HS with 1 good season in there. Sometimes lighting can strike once, but I just don't see it long term with him at this point, that's all.

Yes, but those guys aren't depth guard signings, they're likely going to wait and see who has injuries or players under performing and then sign there. I also think that if Ickey really is going to be able to play at some point this year, that's where our guard depth comes from. As if he gets to the point of being active, we'd then have 3 LT's on the roster with him, Freeling, and Walker, gotta think one of them not named Freeling gets kicked inside if needed.

I don't think Tyreek is a bad player to play with on the field, for sure not in the same way that Diggs is, as he's a cancer on the field with how he acts, and wouldn't take kindly to being 2nd fiddle behind T-Mac. It's that Tyreek is just a terrible person who realistically shouldn't even be in the NFL, his insane athletic ability is why his off field transgressions have been overlooked. If he was a WR3, no team would have kept him around, it was only that he was a 1st ballot HOF level talent that kept him around. Just zero interest in having a person like that around our young WRs, that's really all it comes down to for me with him. Again, if we were true contenders this year, that changes things and I'd rather bring in the best possible players and hope it works out. But they're trying to build something here and to do that, you need high quality people, not just great talent.

It's not that I'm not rooting for him to do well, but I'd be lying if I said him having a good season wouldn't scare me after what we've seen out of him so far. I'd be afraid of it just being one of those situations you see all the time, a player is in a make it or break it season, they somehow raise their level of play to new levels, and then proceed to immediately drop back off a cliff the next season (although this does usually happen in contract years, not a player trying to not get cut). Now, if you tell me that no matter how well he plays, we're then going to flip him for a draft pick in the offseason, then yea, I'd want him to go off for a monster season so we can get a better return.

Helllllllllllllll no on Tyreek, not even on a vet minimum and if he was playing at his peak abilities. We have way too young of a WR room to bring that head case into the locker room, there is just no way I want him around any of our WRs. The things that make him great aren't things that can be taught, they're his natural born athletic gifts, so there isn't anything useful he can teach our guys and would just be a bad influence on them. Same goes for Stefon Diggs. Allen I'd love, he'd be a great mentor for T-Mac and Coker, but I doubt he plays anywhere other than with the Chargers or a legit true SB contender this year (and only small odds on the latter there, likely Chargers or nothing I'd guess).

zero interest in any of these players. If we were in a legit SB window this season (which I strongly believe we are not), then I'd want to bring in Wagner, Smith, and one of the pass rushers to maximize that window this year, but we're not. Because of that, we need to give the young guys all the snaps those 3 would take so we can hopefully be in that window in the near future (although I still contend a new QB is 100% needed for that to ever materialize, now go prove me wrong Bryce).

Would have preferred a 4 year deal, but I like the overall number if he becomes the player we expect him to be this year, it will have saved us a lot of money next summer on what that contact could have been. My fear with a 3 year deal means he'll be going into the final year of the contract in the same offseason that T-Mac is eligible for an extension. If they both play like we expect them to over the next 2 years, it will be hard to sign both of them in the same offseason without screwing us in other ways (see Bengals last offseason). And I don't like signing T-Mac to a big deal and letting Coker play out his contract to hit FA, just as I don't like the idea of extending Coker and waiting on a T-Mac contract which would be a bigger contract every year you wait. But a 4 year deal means extensions in different offseasons than T-Mac, and potentially even 2 years apart if you let him play it out and then probably becomes even easier to manage with the cap.

Honest question, why? Are there people who really care if their posts are pied or poo'd or anything in between? Let alone wanting to then bet the pie they earned to have a higher pie score?

But that's the point, if the locker room feels that way, then you're going to upset them by still keeping Bryce around and playing him over the Top 10 pick, as opposed to bringing in a vet to start until the rookie is ready. Again, it goes one of 3 ways... 1. Bryce plays well enough to earn an extension 2. Bryce still sucks and we draft his replacement who starts Week 1 with a new QB as his backup 3. Bryce still sucks, we draft his replacement in the 1st, but they start the season backing up a new vet QB who was brought in to be his mentor. With an OUTSIDE chance at a 4th option where Bryce plays well enough to convince the team to let him play out the 5th year option and then make a decision. Which I can't see it happening, but there is still a non zero chance of that happening I guess. The only way we draft a QB next year and still have Bryce on the roster, is if we're taking someone in the middle rounds hoping to develop them as a long term backup to Bryce.

But it's not about not upsetting a player under contract, it's about not causing a rift in the locker room. The players love Bryce, whether as a person or a player doesn't matter. You can't spend a Top 10 pick on a QB and then still start your #1 overall pick in the last year of their contract. That act alone will cause a massive locker room rift/distraction that would be unavoidable. Some players will question why you "wasted" a Top 10 pick on a QB you're not going to start instead of someone who can help right away. While others will question why we are keeping Bryce around for the season when it's clear he's not the future guy at that point. It would just make for a bad start to the rookie's career while causing locker room distractions. Again, I'd bet this has never happened in this league before with any 1st round QB, let alone the #1 overall pick, and there is a reason for it, which is that it would be epically stupid to do. And I used the Vikings as the example as they're the closest I can think of, because again, there isn't a direct comparison as nobody has ever done it because it's that dumb of an idea (no offense lol).

I get that you're taking the pragmatic approach here, and on the surface it makes sense, especially because yes, that's exactly what the Vikings should have done. But again, the factor you're leaving out is that we drafted Bryce #1 overall, that's what changes everything in the scenario. You just can't take a QB #1 overall, have him not play well the first 4 years, draft his replacement, and then still keep him as the starting QB for that 5th season. Beyond all the problems it could cause if Bryce plays well, it also just creates an awkward locker room situation that you wouldn't want to throw that rookie into as well as what it does to the rest of the team. I'm not going to try and research it, but I'd be SHOCKED if there is a single instance of this happening in NFL history with a QB that was drafted in the 1st round alone, let alone 1st overall, as no team is dumb enough to do that.

No, even if you want to sit him, you do it with a new vet brought in, not your former #1 overall pick who you just drafted his replacement and then ask him to mentor him for the season before letting him go. And then what happens if Bryce has a breakthrough season? It's what just happened with the Vikings, a QB had a breakthrough season and then let him walk because of the new Top 10 pick and it's already looking terrible. Doing it with a player you also just took #1 overall makes it 100 times worse. I'd bet my life savings that if we take a QB in the Top 10 next year, there isn't a chance in hell that Bryce is on the roster for Day 1 of TC, and likely gone long before that day anyways.

If we take a 1st round QB next year, there is a 0% chance that Bryce is even on the roster for Day 1 of TC. You can't take a QB that high while keeping the team's former #1 overall pick still on the roster, it just would create a terrible situation all around

And yet, last year, Stroud still had a higher completion %, threw for 30 more yards, 3 less INTs, and 4 less TDs but did all that in 2 less games (kinda 3 as he got hurt early in a game and then missed 2 weeks). So if he was god awful more times than not... what was Bryce?

Uh... Bryce Young extension? This shouldn't even be remotely on the table right now. Hell, the Texans haven't even engaged Stroud in an extension discussion yet and he's played miles better than Bryce has during their careers so far. I swear, he's going to show the bare minimum of improvement this year, the front office is going to say it's showing he's still getting better, and going to sign him to a stupidly large extension that is only going to set us back another 5+ years when he never even approaches being an above average QB and we have to replace him a few more years down the line. And to people who say, "well $33 million would be a bargain in today's market".... Who cares if it's a bargain if the player isn't good enough to make you a contending team? I'd rather over pay for an elite QB than get a below average starter on a bargain. All getting the 25th best QB in the league at a bargain cost will do is mean you're losing while saving money on your QB.