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No.  This is why.

3 hours ago, OldhamA said:

Stroud has Brady's arm

If only he had Brady's processing.

16 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

 the huddle will huddle and bitch about stupid poo regardless of how irrelevant it is. 

1 hour ago, Basbear said:

You know how long ago flutie magic was and what he had to do just to get another shot...

Since no clear answer, Can i say you have no limits then?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

UgHhhhh!!!

So how long did Wilson last and how long did Cam last?

How many SBs for Wilson and how many for Cam?

How many SB rings for Wilson and how many for Cam?

Wilson is still going.  Cam's injuries have decimated his career.

The anecdotes do not support the size bias. 

The analysis does not support the size bias.

He's a smidge shorter than Wilson, does that 1/4 inch mean that he's a dead man walking?  I seriously doubt that.

Did being taller help Corral?  He didn't play a single regular season snap last year. Does our QB have to be taller than Corral to keep healthy?  Doubt it.

At some point its just bias.

I'm with Smitty.  Take the "taller processor", not the taller QB.

On 4/7/2023 at 11:26 AM, mrcompletely11 said:

It's not just me.  Our head coach even acknowledged it

That very same coach may take the smaller QB.

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

The argument has never been that he isnt a good qb,  the argument is will his body hold up across 17+ games for multiple years.

 

I mean the least sacked qb last year was in the mid 20s and that doesnt factor pressures or qb hits.  The kid is going to take punishment.

 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/which-qb-has-been-sacked-the-most-in-2022

I'd be really worried for Stroud then.  The data shows bigger QB's get injured MORE.

But you do you.

3 hours ago, stratocatter said:

 little under center work,

What percentage of his snaps were under center?

If only they awarded a SB ring for that.

22 hours ago, rayzor said:

I think most people pulling for Young would be ok with Stroud too. There's not really an anti-Stroud crowd. 

There is, though, a pretty strong and vocal anti-Young crowd. This is the one that I worry just a little bit for. To this crowd, I'll only say this. Be ready for Young to be the pick. Seriously, brace yourself. Line up a counselor.  Do whatever you need, because it's incredibly likely that Young will be our franchise QB.

All that said .....

I agree.  Things may change in the next few weeks, but it looks like its Young atm.

Your right, this is gonna be great wild ride.

6 minutes ago, RumHam said:

the question is if the top RB is on the board when we pick in the second (kid from alabama) do we pull the trigger? I think we should and probably will. 

I doubt Gibbs will be there.  Maybe I guess.  As tempting as it may be, 39 is awful high for a RB.  I want a RB, I don't know if I want to use 39 on it and the edge class is deep.

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Especially if we draft Young, but I can argue our second need for CB, WR, Edge--TE and OL just fall by default in my mind---but I see that point.

Actually I'd be just as worried for Stroud.  He is less slippery, less mobile and processes slower and Johnson Jr. is probably going to be one of the first few  OT's off the board.

9 minutes ago, Lame Duck said:

NFL models projected Young to go bust.  The reason: Young takes very deep drop back to see over the line but he does not have a quick release and need to step into his throws to generate power/zip.  With blitzes and against heavy pass rush, he projected to struggle big time.  With NFL being much faster and physical than college, he projected to be hit early and often.  NFL has removed model results from their website about a week ago.  The analysis said for Young to be successful in NFL, requires team to have top Offensive Tackles tandem from preventing EDGE and LBs to go around them.  Young had one of the best OL in college football the last 2 years.

PFF, Draft Buzz, Sports News, ESPN,Walter Football, CBS Sports, NFL.com, and SI.com all have Bryce Young as  #1 on THEIR boards.    Not mock draft, who they would choose.

I'd take the taller processor.

We'll see who Reich and co take.

20 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah that why it's a good debate.  Both prospects aren't flawless, and both have a lot to like.  

What is really exciting is that one of these guys is very likely going to bust.  The odds of picking a franchise is less that 50% to begin with.  Odds are 2-1 against both Young and Stroud panning out.

Now we are in better shape in coaching, line, D, weapons and division than Houston so whoever we pick is coming into a better situation.  I'd just rather have the "taller processor" as Smitty put it.

5 minutes ago, frankw said:

Same can be said for games like the one Young had against LSU. Concerns are there for both. If either had none at all we wouldn't have been able to move up for what we did.

I'm glad we agree that there are concerns about Stroud, as there are for Young. 

Neither of them are going to walk on water.

Great post.

I completely agree that we need Edge and CB help. 

I think OL depth needs to move up a notch.  It is unlikely we go the whole year with no injuries to that unit and I don't think we have quality depth there. 

I am not convinced Sanders is a big upgrade over Foreman.  Foreman has a yard more YAC and Sanders is leaving the best OL in football.  I really think we need a bruiser RB in the draft or FA.  If Sanders get hurt we are stuck with Chuba.

I like Stroud and if he becomes a Panther, then awesome.  But his ~40% completion rate under pressure should give pause.

I put the "coachable" rumor crap in the same pile as the "can't take snaps under center" and "has a high chance to get hurt".  There's nothing to prove any of it.  People will believe what they want to believe, regardless if there is coach actually saying it, or any anecdotes or stats to back it up...as long as it suits their guy. 

I agree 100%.

We desperately need quality depth on the OL.

I hope we're not done at RB either.  Sanders does not have the YAC that Foreman had and if he gets hurt, I do NOT want to be dependent on Chuba.

47 minutes ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

He's also always been on teams way better than the competition. Won't be the case in the NFL. 

Are you talking about Stroud?

1 hour ago, t96 said:

 he didn’t at Bama but that’s just the offense they run.

What percentage was he in shotgun?

So now Kiper in his latest mock as flipped to Young.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/espns-mel-kiper-flips-pick-for-panthers-atop-latest-2-round-mock-draft/ar-AA19JjJB

I think this discussion with Mortensen set the ball rolling al the way to  Vegas.