poundaway

Just now, CPF4LIFE said:

Yes they did...it didnt say they will tho. Most teams consider trades if they are asked. If Bryce falls to them... they would have no reason to trade, which is why i said trading the pick before the draft would signal Bryce going first more than anything if they know something. 

But trading out of two before the draft doesn't make any sense unless you KNOW the Panthers are taking Bryce.  You can always trade out of two at the draft.

If they thought there would be a chance Bryce would be there, they'd sit tight.

3 minutes ago, Tbe said:

But the Texans just said they are open to trading out of #2.

Exactly.

 Why would the Texans be shopping 2 if they were taking Bryce there?  

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10072703-nfl-draft-rumors-bryce-young-cancels-remaining-visits-amid-panthers-no-1-pick-buzz

"

The general consensus has Young landing in Carolina as well.

ESPN's David Newton reported last Thursday that "multiple executive sources believe Young simply is the better player." Matt Miller of ESPN echoed that account when he said "every source polled this week" thought the 2021 Heisman Trophy winner edged in front of Stroud.

Two days earlier, ESPN's Adam Schefter said on NFL Live the Panthers traded up to No. 1 pick with the idea of not only selecting a quarterback but also with Young as their preferred target. Carolina wasn't dead set on him, but he was the team's early favorite.

32 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Meanwhile Stroud has been setting up and taking more visits

 

We'll see how far he tumbles.  If Texans pass at 2, he could go down to 4 or 6.    If the Texans trade out, which rumor is they a looking, there's hope Stroud could still be picked at 2.  

20 minutes ago, PanthersGOATFan336 said:

 

 

Exhibit A

Thats rich.   Stroud Boys complaining that someone said something negative about Stroud, meanwhile the Huddle is deluged with size queen crap.

Stroud doesn't walk on water.  He is was one of the worst QB's when under pressure last year in college football.

If we take him and the coaches feel that they can correct that, I'm cool with it.  But I think Young is the better QB. 

6 minutes ago, top dawg said:

 

 

 

"His only negative is that most of the other quarterbacks in this draft stand head and shoulders above him (literally) from a stature standpoint. He measured in just a fraction over 5-foot-10 in height, and though he got to 204 pounds in weight by the NFL Combine, his playing weight is as likely to be below 190 than it is above it. That combination of size is virtually unprecedented for a top-tier NFL quarterback, and that level of outlier may terrify teams at the top of the draft. We have no proof that Young’s size will ever be a detriment to his fortunes at the next level, but the lack of uncertainty is concerning."

......

"Stroud’s biggest weakness has been play under pressure — outside of his college playoff game against Georgia this season. His PFF grade from a clean pocket this season finished at 93.4 but dropped to 42.0 when he was pressured. His 10.3 yards per attempt from a clean pocket became 5.7 when under duress, and he ranked in just the 10th percentile in PFF grade under pressure. The game against Georgia showed that he has it in him to excel in those circumstances, but the rest of his college tape shows he hasn’t been able to do it consistently."

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2023-nfl-draft-biggest-pro-con-top-qb-prospects

10th percentile in PFF grade under pressure.

90% of QB's performed better under pressure last year.

Since its during the visits, they aren't going to say anything, to not slight either or both QBs who are present.

1 hour ago, Julio said:

This also says that Young is the favorite ahead of Stroud.

I know the meat of the article says its Young, but then someone creates a headline, and summarizes that its Stroud.   Did they even read it?

10 hours ago, PanthersGOATFan336 said:

Thank you for your input

 

Running out of arguments perhaps? Have a beer on me

Nah.  We're just tired of your crap.  The Stroud Boys and size queens are going to go on attacking Young, probably even after we draft him.  Unlike you, I'm not against the other QB, Stroud, he's just not as good a prospect as Young and it would be a shame to pass on  what many feel is superior talent to take the #2 because you think bigger QB's get hurt less, when they actually get hurt more.

The Panthers will pick someone soon and I hope the huddle rallys behind the pick.

3 hours ago, Stuart Smith said:

He will not last on the practicevsquad. 

Which may be the best thing for him.

3 minutes ago, Jesse said:

I'm 100% convinced OP is Igo's alt account shitposting to boost content and engagement

It would explain why the mods let that set of PanthersBlahBlahBlah### accounts run around with impunity.

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Bryce did more with less.  Interesting.   Alabama has always been known as having difficulty getting recruits there.   

I guess we'll see when the draft comes round where Bama and OSU offensive players land.   Last year it was pretty even. 

2 minutes ago, CamTheMan said:

I didn't say that he absolutely cannot play under center, I said "if" he can't. He has never done it before. There are adjustments Bryce Young needs to make to play in the pros and there really aren't for Stroud. Is it possible he makes the proper adjustments? Absolutely. Is it still a risk? Absolutely. Stroud is the safest quarterback in the draft but also has tons of potential. If we want to take risks for potentially greater reward, why not just go with Richardson? 

I was where you were a few weeks ago, until I went and watched the games.

Young just has much better tape.  Some of it is amazing. 

PFF, Draft Buzz, Sports News, ESPN,Walter Football, CBS Sports, NFL.com, and SI.com all have Bryce Young their choice for best QB.  Not mock draft.  Best QB.   Its really odd, scouts and analysts have Young as the best QB but have him #2 in their mock.  

Combine that with the actual analysis that bigger QB's get injured MORE (which jives with our Corral and Cam experience), and I understand why the Panthers want the guy.

We may be wrong, and Young isn't the pick, or he is and doesn't pan out.  But I doubt it.

6 minutes ago, CamTheMan said:

Yeah you're absolutely correct. But 20% out of shotgun is still a few hundred plays a season and if he can't play under center then there will be problems. In my opinion, Young will be limited to West Coast offense his entire career no matter how the NFL evolves while Stroud has the skillset to play in almost any scheme. I see Young as an unnecessary risk with only marginally better upside than Stroud, personally.

I'm still looking for the analysis on Young under center.  Because the only stat I saw was a tweet for just last year.    Is it all based on the one tweet with no reference ?  The huddle seems to think that he can't take an under center snap because they didn't call it much in bama.    Did the coach say something somewhere?

15 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I would love for him to become our long term backup. 

I would too, but he'd probably hate that.  His best shot is PS and someone grabs him and sets him behind their vet QB, like Greir.

5 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah and Auburn so was bad their HC got fired. I believe that final drive has a clear intentional grounding by Young that got ignored as well…

Not his best game, but at the end of the day he did what was needed to win the game. Iron Bowls can be tough at any time.

Smart play.  He's getting hit so throwing down won't get the flag because the refs will assume it was because of the hit. 

3 hours ago, LegioX said:

Me watching from a distance the huddle burning down after Young gets injured on a sack and out for season

 

 

You'll be happy about him getting injured?

3 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

No comparison. 6'2" 220lbs?! Actual dual threat QB that can run north to south. Young doesn't have his height, run ability, or weight. Corral is just as or more accurate. Stronger arm than Young.

Young is a huge risk without enough, speed or upside beyond "getting it" and a average arm for the NFL.

 

Well then, he should show out in training camp.

I had a lot of hope for him.  Its a shame it played out the way it did.

Just now, CPcavedweller said:

Is Young really better than Corral though? Put Young at Ole Miss, in Corral's situation, and what does Young do? I'd almost guarantee it's not much, if at all, better.

I guess we'll see.  I think so.  Most scouts and analysts think so.  Word is, the Panthers think so.  Many people didn't rate Corral the top of what was considered a bad QB class.  Young is rated at the top of this one.  

 They may all be wrong.  But I doubt it.  Who really knows for sure?

Give the guy a chance.

10 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

How come everyone can see it coming but the YOUNGSTERS?!

Not just "hurt", crushed, mauled, maimed flattened.

This ain't college football.

You realize that you are talking about how much more durable Coral will be than Young.  Do you even hear yourself?

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

That’s not all we got from that CMC trade. It’s why we still have a 3rd. Also he was taking up a lot of future cap space and couldn’t stay healthy. We needed to move on from him and give him a chance to compete like we did. LAC isn’t wanting to pay Ekler, the Giants are scared to give Barkley a long contract. Paying RBs big money over a lot of years isn’t the best idea.

Its true we got other lower picks, but the 2nd was the biggest one. 

It is true that  CMC will be 12M a year 2023-25 for the 9ers.    But we just ate 26M in deadcap for CMC and paid Sanders ~6M a year a year to replace him.  There some savings for sure, but nothing earth shattering.

I also agree that paying big money to RB's is not a good plan.

But I still contend that a big part of our compensation for CMC went toward this new QB.  We paid a lot for this pick.

17 minutes ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

Yep. We actually did really well giving up what we did to have our choice of the QBs. It hurts giving up the haul we did and initially I didn’t really like it, but I’ve definitely come around. Bears lost a ton of value. Could have probably doubled their war chest and just threw that opportunity away.

We gave up DJ Moore,  the  2nd rounder that we got for CMC, plus a 2024 1st and the 2025 2nd for this one pick.  DJ and CMC for a QB with a reasonable chance to bust.  It is unlikely that Young, Stroud and Richardson will all be franchise. 

.