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If CMC stays healthy, our biggest hole on O, outside QB, is TE. Ian Thomas dropped 13.3% of his passes last year and had a whole 188 yards receiving. For perspective Robbie dropped 6.4%. Tommy Tremble had 180 yards receiving and dropped 5.7%. He had two drops, he got leveled on one of them. Defenseless receiver should have been called. Maybe he can take a step up here. If CMC gets hurt...again...I feel good with Foreman there. If Foreman gets hurt, I have absolutely no confidence in Chuba. In the end tho, as Jimmy Clausen showed, it doesn't matter how much talent you have on O if the QB sucks. Sam threw ints on 2nd down last year. Take the damn sack or throw the ball in the dirt. The line was bad, the running was bad, but Sam's play was total ass.

It has to do with the differential with your backup RB. Rhule's and/or Brady's mistake was thinking Chuba and CMC were interchangeable. They weren't. When CMC went down in 2020, we won our first game with Mike Davis. There is a drop off from CMC to Davis but there is a cliff of cosmic proportions from CMC to Chuba. We stopped targeting Chuba all together as the season dragged on. How was that O going to function without a reliable check down target? It wasn't and it didn't.

I agree with the original post. We need to be deeper here. The problem is Chuba is a tail back with the worst hands, possibly in the league. His blocking fits his size, which isn't big. If we can't use him on passing downs and rotate him we telegraph what we're doing, which is what happened last year with Abdullah. They would literally leave Chuba uncovered, knowing he'd drop it. I get he was a rookie, but if he can't catch this year, he needs to be gone. We need that spot. I agree we need to bring in somebody.

PNP had an interesting take on this:

For the most part they aren't too far off. ESPN had Houston 32nd in 2021 and they came in 30th. The Bengals were 28th last year in preseason and ended up 2nd. Not saying we're SB bound, just sayin.

We're just better at making them bots.

Hope not. He's better than what we've got, but it will be hard to stop hating him. He is such an ass.

I agree. Camp should be fun though. Ikem V Burns should be educational. Corral better get at least some reps with the ones.

And they still don't. Hurney never learned anything. And Tepper apparently believes injuries derailed last season. They certainly played a role, though obviously aren't the whole picture. I agree that Tepper is taking the long view, communicating to potential HC's that he won't boot the HC quickly. No one wants to become what Cleveland was.

Combine that with a rookie LT. Those first few games the LT will face Myles Garrett, Cameron Jordan, J.J. Watt, Nick Bosa and Kayvon Thibodeaux. If we start Ikem at LT day one, which is looking likely, it will be baptism by fire.

This is true. Didn't he like Darnold, and our trade for him? I forget. I still like anyone saying positive stuff about our QB.

Yup. I felt it first game. 422 yards, 3TDs. Oh yeah.

I hope what their saying is true and the best player will win the position. I hope Corral tears it up in camp. If its close, Sam's going to start.

Again. Not every discussion is pro-Rhule/anti-Rhule. I'm not derailing another thread with you. smh

So you preferred a different OC this time? Who? Or you just going to rag on the new one before there's a single offensive snap?

You were. Again.

If you're referring to me. The discussion was whether RR and Rhule walked into comparable situations. They didn't. Olsen, Cam and Reid were approaching the end of their careers when Rhule came here. Cam and Olsen had barely played in 2 years and Reid's production had dropped off. Meanwhile, Steve Smith, Jordan Gross,Ryan Kahlil, Deangelo Williams, Johnathon Stewart, Ted Davis, Charles Johnson, and the #1 draft pick, Cam Newton, all had plenty left in the tank.

I'm done with this thread. In summary, RR did not start in a "similar" position to Rhule and Joe Brady has not shown to be "super talented." Rhule has made a bunch of mistakes. Firing Brady corrected one. I hope he does better this year. I like what he's done so far in the offseason.

Wow. After all that time, you couldn't even name the only OC. Did my question go over your head?

True. You spend them hoping Joe Brady will, and then posting exactly that here. Its anyone's guess why. This is the second thread I walked into where you were arguing with someone over the promise of Joe fncking Brady.

There's always a confluence of factors in trying to evaluate a coach or player. It applies to everyone. On this message board, despite the factors, we still make judgements. In the end, you are what your record is. Joe Brady was a horrible OC and Matt Rhule is a bad coach. That may change for Brady. I don't care. I really don't. He works for the Titans now. Unlike you, I hope it changes for Rhule, because, he's our coach.

There is only one btw and he has a ton of NFL position coaching, unlike Brady.

So Joe Brady isn't "super talented" anymore? You've come a long way.

Very good. The mistake was hiring him. Matt Rhules mistake was hiring Joe Brady. Firing him was the correct action.