Icege

22 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Not sure how CJ would do what Lamar Jackson couldn't.

The Texans were saying all the right things about DJ, dude just doesn't have it.

The amount of money Diontae lost after finding ways to not make it work with Lamar + CJ is insane.

Can't hold his time with Bryce against him given how bad Bryce played weeks 1 + 2, but to fail with Lamar and CJ in the same season...? Big yikes. 

I was explicitly told that CJ would elevate DJ...

Ope, the gang is getting back together.

re: Cam's rookie season, let's please stop pretending that Cam came in and did things solo. An OL of Gross/Wharton/Kalil/Hangartner/Bell (Otah went down after the first 4 games)? Who out here really believes that an OL of Ekwonu/Zavala/Bozeman/Jensen/Moton was better? Sanders/Hubbard/Hurst/Tremble/Chark/Mingo/AT is on par with Double Trouble, Olsen, Shockey, and Agent 89?

Cam was excellent and worth the #1 overall pick. We don't need to lie on his teammates just to continue whatever hate is still held on to for Bryce.

TIL that wins are a QB stat that they are solely responsible for 

Never stopped believing in him, but was definitely concerned after those first two games.

Nice to be able to root for the kid and not be trolled by the Bryce haters after the season ended.

With how many miscommunications we saw from the secondary just trying to run simple cover 3 zone looks more than 60% of the time, yea... Watts was a likely candidate to be let go. He was the OLB coach in Denver previously.

Lukabu and Maffei were a bit surprising. Lukabu was dealing with injuries to his group (LBs). Wondering if this was an issue similar to Watts where guys were just making too many mistakes running simple concepts.

Maffei I couldn't even begin to figure out what.

Could also just be three other guys out there that are preferred?

2 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

I have to give some serious props to you. You were very critical of Bryce when he was playing terrible (rightfully so) and are praising him now that he is playing good. You are one of the few people that doesn’t seem to have an original opinion that they are hesitant to change. You are literally watching him play through unbiased eyes and making honest assessments each time. It’s a rare thing to see and I enjoy reading it. 

Seconded. Dude kept everything that bothered him to what he was seeing on the field and didn't gaslight himself (nor others) when he did/didn't see it. No crow necessary, only props.

1 minute ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

We need a WR whisperer

Canales and Idzik both having backgrounds as WR coaches makes me hope that they can work some magic for the young receiving group. :3

Cade played surprisingly well. I think he's earned another contract, though the team should definitely look to make sure there's depth.

"brycE cAn't thrOw dEEp"

1 minute ago, Tr3ach said:

There are plenty of outside wide receivers in the modern NFL who aren't big body possession type guys.   

There are, but a majority of McConkey's snaps have been taken in the slot while XL has been on the outside.

With the way they're deploying McConkey, he's getting more of the AT treatment while XL is being asked to do more of what Quenton Johnston is doing (being big and taking the tops off of defenses).

4 minutes ago, Adb6368 said:

xl Should be compared to Keon Coleman and McConkey vs any of the first round receivers (and specifically Coleman due to the pick swap)

Coleman is a tossup. McConkey certainly looks like the better pick currently but I’d argue he was in a much better position this year with stability at the qb position. 

Sure for Coleman, but I don't agree re: McConkey. Ladd is a slot guy while XL + Keon are outside WRs.

11 minutes ago, Icege said:

Incredibly high on Jalon Walker + Malaki Starks. If the team misses out on Graham/Carter/Johnson and lands one of those two I'm going to still be happy.

Going to be doing a lot of diving into the Georgia, Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan defenses in preparation for this draft.

gdi I gotta quit opening up so many tabs before I've had coffee. Meant this for a different thread. -_-

For this thread tho:

If the price is right, go get GW! I'm not high on TMac. Great size, but I've got to go see Arizona's games and see why he wasn't taking over. Could've been more of an issue with the offense he was in?

27 minutes ago, PanthersNCSU said:

Dalton and a mid round draft guy to develop is the likely and easiest plan

Dalton + mid-late round draft pick does provide a lot of advantages. The rookie gets to sit and learn from Andy and Bryce for a year while Bryce gets his big bro QB for another season to be able to lean on. Seems like a win-win.

Incredibly high on Jalon Walker + Malaki Starks. If the team misses out on Graham/Carter/Johnson and lands one of those two I'm going to still be happy.

Going to be doing a lot of diving into the Georgia, Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan defenses in preparation for this draft.

After what we just experienced with Bryce it's hard for me to be worried about XL.

8 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Even in the bad games he was making a great play now and then. He just couldn't get in a rhythm sometimes and penalties came at crucial times stalling drives or killing big plays. Of course the defense was always able to maintain their ability to give up their usual 30 plus points. If we got behind by 1 touchdown the offense couldn't overcome it early on. It was just a mess. 

Crazy to me how folks still don't understand how a great defense can make a QB's life easier.

Yesss... moar charts por favor

Some safety options currently slated to hit free agency...

• Justin Simmons
• Tyrann Mathieu
• Jeremy Chinn
• MJ Stewart
• Jevon Holland
• Richie Grant
• Trevon Moehrig
• Talanoa Hufanga

Holland/Hufanga pls

I knew I didn't put pants on for a reason this morning.

Definitely more positive than I was about the initial hire. What's impressed me more than Bryce's journey with him is how the coaching staff and play calling has evolved over the course of the season. They're clearly focused on getting better which in turn is going to lead to winning.

Very interested to see what they lean into more next season vs. show less of.

1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

You're not noticing though. Stroud had 6 career games in 2023 including 1 in the playoffs. He's fallen back to a level that's still above Young's best with 2 career games in 2024 with 300+ and a playoff game to come. He has 8 sub-200 games. He has 2 division titles with a 27.8% GWD success rate.

Young had 2 career games in 2023 and 2 more in 2024. He has a 21.4% GWD success rate. He has one 300+ game to his name and 17 sub-200 games.

Stroud had to slump to get to a level higher than Young. Young had to improve to get to a level lower than Stroud. Young has some catching up to do for him to be at Stroud's lowest point.

Excuses need to stop about Young's supporting crew too. He has Hubbard, Thielen, Coker, J.Sanders and XL as his top 5 targets. The top 5 targets are 80% of a passing offense. Who do you think is holding Young back? Who are you replacing?

In 2024, Stroud's top 5 targets have a 67.3% catch rate and a 52.9% success rate. Young's top 5 targets have a 72.3% catch rate and a 48.7% success rate. Hubbard is the one bringing down the passing success rate. Outside of Hubbard v Mixon after the catch, The Panthers have the better receiving unit. We're to believe the excuse that the skill position players and playcalling are holding back Young?

#noticebetter

CJ's best two games in terms of passing yards this season were 331yds vs. BUF and 345yds vs. JAX which had 181yds + 165yds in YAC respectively. Meanwhile, Bryce's two best games (298yds vs. TB, 263yds vs. KC) had 112yds + 101yds in YAC. CJ's done a great job of getting the ball to his weapons and those weapons have also (when not injured) done more after the catch than Carolina's WRs. 

As for trying to sell folks on the idea that Xavier Legette, Jalen Coker, Adam Thielen, David Moore > Nico Collins, Tank Dell, Stefon Diggs, John Metchie... idk about that one man... that's 495yds after the catch vs. 787yds.

Weeks 8 - 18 PFF passing grades...  

1. Justin Herbert (92.7)
2. Joe Burrow (92.4)
3. Lamar Jackson (91.7)
4. Josh Allen (86.2)
5. Jared Goff (84.0)
6. Bryce Young (83.7)
7. Baker Mayfield (83.3)
8. Sam Darnold (82.3)
9. Geno Smith (81.2)
10. Jordan Love (81.0)

Weeks 8 - 18 PFF offensive grades

1. Justin Herbert (94.0)
2. Joe Burrow (93.9)
3. Lamar Jackson (93.6)
4. Josh Allen (93.0)
5. Jayden Daniels (86.7)
6. Baker Mayfield (86.5)
7. Sam Darnold (85.7)
8. Jared Goff (85.6)
9. Patrick Mahomes (84.9)
10. Bo Nix (84.6)
11. Matt Stafford (83.5)
12. Bryce Young (83.2)
13. Jalen Hurts (81.8)
14. Geno Smith (80.5)
15. Jordan Love (80.2)