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The whole episode is an awesome listen. Cam teaching Rhule how to coach was wild but not exactly unexpected

Several of the frequent intelligent/rational posters have migrated over to the Panthers discord server instead of posting here after it was made clear that this was a place where people are only allowed to bitch about the team. Unrelated, if you want company to watch the game this week or kid-friendly recommendations to take TheLilKats too while y'all are down this way feel free to hmu!

The moment it was made clear that the current state of the message board is okay because it's no longer a community but a place for content to be consumed, the more the current active moderation made sense. The subreddit discord has been a welcome change.

They have got to find a way to get this kid some weapons.

Not a good look for anybody and doesn't exactly send an inspiring message to the team. Would rather Thomas be able to develop with Bryce with the season already looking the way it does. This just reeks of, "We're getting fired so now I have to do everything," from Frank.

I think so? I don't know what's considered right/normal/etc here anymore. First we weren't allowed to be positive and now who knows if we're allowed to be even keel. This current "coping" of aggressively defending another team's QB's from anything that isn't hero worship is way too goofy for me though. Oh, and @frankw, if it will help you sleep at night here's me defending Stroud when the "character concerns" were floating around. I'd offer tweets as well, but since you've made it clear that you have notifications on for me already I'll save us both the time. And look, let's stop the beating around the bush. We're both aware of why you defend Cam and CJ as passionately as you do: the media trotted out harmful stereotypes in an attempt to fill the airwaves and shitty people with shitty views latched onto those shitty narratives to continue their shitty ways. That's terrible and it shouldn't have happened to them, full stop. Them having experienced that does not exclude them from factual observations about their situations with their teams though. Stroud has had play calling, play design, pass protection, receivers separating, and a developing run game help set him up for success that he was bound to achieve based on his skillset and talent alone. Freaking out and reacting as if that means that the person who mentioned those in-season observations believed the pre-draft character assassination attempts is just gaslighting yourself into being an asshole. That's like screaming at somebody for being Nawrocki 2.0 because they wished Cam would have worked on his mechanics more when he was playing so he wouldn't have had those lasers that would fly just a little too high for his receivers. It's asinine, and I'm sure there's better things that you can do with your time than that. Hell, hmu and we can game sometime if that'll help you decompress from Panthers' football.

It is so strange seeing Panthers fans going out of their way to defend another team's QB the same way they did/do for Cam. It is even weirder how when folks point out that the Texans have done a much better job of supporting CJ with pass protection, play calling, play design, receivers getting open, and finding success in the run game that some of CJ's fans get personally offended. I haven't seen anything stated nor insinuated that CJ is being carried by the Texans, but I've definitely seen his fans make sure to scream that CJ and CJ alone is the sole reason for the Texans' recent success (and damn any data or film showing otherwise!). Folks went from complaining about Cam not getting the OL + WR help that he needed to refusing to acknowledge the same situation for Bryce... what a time.

The irony of the three posters most likely to poo up a thread being the first three to respond with no attempt at a good faith engagement says all that needs to be said.

Nobody wants a positive vibes threads. If anybody believes that's what folks want then they're incredibly bad at listening (or incredibly good at trolling?). Folks want to be able to have a good faith discussion about Panthers football and learn something from it without it devolving into posters being accused of working for the team or being a burner account simply because they aren't raging on the Internet. That's it. Unfortunately, when there is anything that isn't incessant bitching it's mocked as "hope." So... enjoy the threads of incessant bitching I suppose? Was hoping to catch a film review thread but instead we have this.

Just checking in to see if the Cottards have seen a throw that impressed them yet

This one hurts bad. Thank you so much for everything you've done. Your knowledge was one of the primary reasons I kept coming back to the Huddle, along with everybody else that spends more time trying to figure things out rather than scream about who is to blame. I hope that LCF and yourself find peace and joy going forward. I understand though. Yesterday was my 40th birthday and I only had one rule for myself: Don't log on to the Huddle. Despite that, out of reflex, I opened a tab for the forum (but quickly closed it). My wife watched her game (Giants) and I watched mine, commiserating over our teams now and then, and when it was all over we hung out until my mom came back with our son. It was one of the best birthday's I've ever had. Despite the ugly Panthers' loss, there wasn't any ugliness in my life. I was able to sit back and appreciate everything that I have instead of having to mentally steel myself for the toxic environment that the Huddle has become (made worse by the fact that an active moderator is one of the leading culprits and therefore validating the toxicity) when trying to see what other posters that are knowledgeable about football are seeing. The Panthers lost, but I'm still a fan of the team and going to keep cheering on Sundays. If I want to talk about the team though, I'll probably spend more time in the group chat with some local friends that are also fans.

If the Miami game is as ugly as this last one, sacrifices will be coming.

RG3's arc as a wild man media member is one that I'm here for.

Not much to be happy about as a Panthers fan, but after a scary incident during the game it sounds like Chandler Zavala was able to return home with the team. https://www.panthers.com/news/chandler-zavala-returns-with-team-after-neck-injury Glad that the kid seems to be okay. My stomach was doing flips seeing the way he went down. Early reports are that it was a bad stinger.

Bryce trusting Frank to uplift him like Francine Reich.mp4

Team take on the personality of their coaches. Hopefully we start seeing more Brown/Evero/Staley than we do Reich

I think that we've all seen more than enough occasions where Bryce Young is being discussed and folks talk up CJ Stroud when the thread has nothing to do with him. When those same posters are challenged, the excuse is always "Well, they're from the same rookie class so comparing their careers is inevitable." Folks that insist on doing that are going to have to accept that others are going to bring up CJ Stroud in a negative light to support Bryce as a counter-balance. I imagine we'd see a lot less of that if the folks that are obsessed with CJ/AR (or hate the BY pick) quit doing it themselves (or stop acting as if they're the only ones entitled to bring up CJ/AR). But we all know that's never gonna happen so weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cam says Fields is thinking too much and that Cam told Chud, Shula, Norv, and Ron, "Stop trying to coach me like Manning, Brady, Rodgers, etc" when he was playing. Points out Lamar Jackson as somebody that understands his playstyle and coaches that understand how to utilize it. He challenged his coaches to not overcomplicate the game of football. Admired Belichick and Rivera for allowing their players to be players rather than just telling them how they were going to do it. ~8:30 Cam says, "A lot of these franchises are putting a lot of pressure on a quarterback that they're not putting on the coach that's coaching the quarterback." Once Shula and Dorsey understood, he had 2015. Even said that they'd call poo plays and he'd have to bail them out. His best convos with coaches began with, "What do you want?" and they didn't try to have him explain why he didn't like a play. 11:00min mark RG3 asks what Bryce Young needs to be the best he can be in Carolina. Cam's answer: "Leadership. I don't question Andy Dalton. I don't question the coach. I don't question the ownership. But the best thing even for me when I was a young rookie was leadership." Cites Gross, John (Beason I'm assuming? Maybe Stewart?), TD, Ryan Kalil, and Smitty that would let him know, "That ain't it." Such as showing up early from meetings. Says if he was in the position he'd ask if he was comfortable and ready to play. Pointed out multiple QBs that sat to start and how we expect instant grits when we should be waiting on the Thanksgiving meal. When folks start seeing certain things in practice that others will recognize that he's ready. RG3 pointed out how Tyreek Hill thought Mahomes would never be a starter and that it takes times for QBs to be the guys. Also says he thinks Bryce needs a bonafide #1 WR to make life easier. Both believe the team is solid, but Cam said the team would be solid with current talent if Bryce had been in the league for 5 years but he's still a step behind reacting as he figures it out. RG3 says needs an HBO (help a brother out) player to help him with being able to just go to that guy to give Bryce more simplicity when he needs it.

SEC has two slugfests with Kentucky/Georgia and Arkansas/Ole Miss. Gonna be a fun night!

I'm usually running 4 streams on my second monitor with the game I'm most interested in on my primary. I keep the third monitor open to look up stats, prospects, etc that I'm paying attention to or catch my eye. My ADHD is in Heaven during football season.

Holy poo Mac Jones

Lot of good games today. Makes me almost miss cable and the ease of flipping channels. But streaming means I can just put multiple games on multiple monitors, so weeeeeeee football immersion today!