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Everything hurts and/or is sunburned, but lil dude had a good time and that's all that matters. Also, confirmed the Gemini summary of Icky's PFF grades

Which grades were incorrect? Not defending LLMs in case I'm giving the impression. I'm just more interested in reviewing the data to make sure it's correct before debating it. I'd check PFF myself (got a sub) but am fn dying at Legoland in Florida while my 9yr old runs rampant.

Which stats were wrong?

Something tells me that all of the hand wringing and pearl clutching over halting the practice earlier possibly destroying his confidence was... well... stupid

DAWG

Barno out JJ Weaver on I really liked Weaver his last two years at Kentucky. Don't expect him to make the roster, but a decent camp body nonetheless.

Yup!

Brett getting his content on the official NFL YouTube channel now, good for him! The first team he covers is Carolina. Summary The defense was the biggest problem by far last season. 31st in EPA against the pass and the run 32nd in DL pass-rush win rate and 32nd in DL pressure rate so they never won early nor late in the rep Major theme for being so bad was that they missed a lot of tackle Most missed tackles in the league at 40 Lot of missed tackles from guys rotating and taking bad angles Had a lot of missed TFLs that Evero drew up only for players to whiff Blitzed a lot because they did not have the talent to get their with four due to the loss of Derrick Brown Evero blitzed more than he likes to, blitzing at 47.2% on third down (2nd highest in the NFL) Entire goal of the offseason was to give Derrick Brown some help and make it so that somebody else on the DL can make plays for this team. Played more light boxes than all but three other teams in the league because they'd start in two-high shells and rotate into single-high post snap Most snaps in the league running cover 3 from a two-high shell Also aided in disguising 3-3 fire zone blitzes Team didn't have the talent to do much about the run. Would have to commit pre-snap, but Evero opted to try and keep opponent's guessing... just didn't have the dudes. Thinks people don't realize how good Bryce Young was last season One of the calmest QBs under pressure last season, huge turn around from his rookie season 11th-highest rated QB under pressure at 84.1 ahead of Allen and Daniels 4th in BTT under pressure, only behind Darnold, Allen, and Burrow Pocket positioning and movement was night and day, back to "Bama Bryce" All of the things he did well seemed to come back Attacked the middle of the field The team punched above their weight last year with Bryce looking so much better, almost ripping off wins vs. top tier teams. Thinks TMac is a misunderstood receiver that is commonly classified in the Mike Evans mold ("Go outside and win jump balls!") but his super power is reading coverages post-snap, finding space against those zone coverages, and YAC Was deadly over the middle his last year in college because he was so good at finding spots to settle in Feels that Bryce finds and attacks space over the middle than a lot of QBs despite his size Talked to a buddy of his that's a coach who was in Carolina watching the defense practice and said that they were night and day and that they're going to be way better this year. Offense should be better. QB should be better. Everything should be better. Will they make the playoffs? idk, but they should be fun and at this point Panthers' fans would at least like some fun

With training camp underway, the battle for one of the precious few NFL roster spots is in full force and it's no different here in Carolina. The Panthers have several match-ups of their own that they're watching with great interest to see who wins a place on the regular season roster. Starting Center (Austin Corbett, Cade Mays) Corbett has gone down in back-to-back seasons with season ending injuries and will be 30 in September. Cade Mays did well in his place and earned himself a 1yr deal with the team after they had originally cut him (and then brought him back off of the Giants' practice squad). Corbett would be the best back-up guard in the league if he loses to Mays who can also play guard if needed. Kicker (Ryan Fitzgerald, Matthew Wright) Fitzgerald seems to be the favorite to take over as the Panthers' kicker after they elected to move on from Eddie Pineiro in the offseason. Fitzgerald has a stronger leg than Pineiro and Wright, but Wright has NFL kicking experience (including with the Panthers). WR6 (Hunter Renfrow, David Moore, Jacolby George) This group also included Dan Chisena until he was placed on the PUP. David Moore has familiarity with Canales, Bryce, and the offense while is also a larger body (listed at 6'0" 220 lbs) with the ability to contribute on special teams. Jacolby George was getting a lot of buzz with Carolina offering him 3yr, $2.9M deal as a UDFA and could provide some extra speed to the offense while also being an option should Jimmy Horn Jr go down. Finally, there's the comeback story that many in the Carolinas are crossing their fingers for and that's Hunter Renfrow. This might ultimately come down between who they think are most likely to clear waivers and land on the practice squad. DL6 (Shy Tuttle, Jaden Crumedy, LaBryan Ray) Shy Tuttle took a pay cut but is a smaller NT that got pushed around in the run game, but he brings more experience than Crumedy and Ray combined. Crumedy, a 2024 6th rounder for the Panthers, spent a majority of last season hurt and did not see the field much. LaBryan Ray, on the other hand, was on the field a lot more than anyone expected last season with the 3rd most snaps on the DL/EDGE with only Clowney and Robinson having more. EDGE5 (DJ Johnson, Amare Barno, Thomas Incoom, Carlos "Boogie" Basham) Evero's "pick" in DJ Johnson can set the edge, no problem. It's his nonexistent pass rush that prevents him from being much more than a rotational edge guy. Amare Barno provides size and speed on special teams, but hasn't really flashed much outside of preseasons. Thomas Incoom got a couple of defensive snaps in limited time, but he saw a lot more on special teams. Don't forget about former Demon Deacon and Buffalo Bills' 2nd round selection Boogie Basham who failed to catch on in New York after a trade that included him and a day three pick swap. LB4 (Jacoby Windmon, Jon Rhattigan, Bam Martin-Scott, Tuasivi Nomura) Windmon saw very limited action in Carolina towards the end of the season as the Panthers got down to the bare bones of the roster and posted some horrendous PFF grades. Jon Rhattigan has three times as many special teams snaps but barely sniffed the field on defense. With Josey Jewell out and the remaining three LB positions likely going to Wallace, Rozeboom, and Cherelus, there might even be room for a fifth ILB. I'm sure rookies Tuasivi Nomura (Fresno St) and Bam Martin-Scott (South Carolina) to beat out Windmon for LB5 or even Rhattigan for LB4. This is all assuming that a veteran like Raekwon McMillan or Kwon Alexander. Don't sleep on Khaleke Hudson less the team decide to go with someone familiar in Chandler Wooten.

incoming videos! Not as many this year but we got a cpl

The stuff being reported about Demani's comfort and communication at the top of the shell is giving me life ngl

Super eager to see this rebooted DL + EDGE group show us some promise during preseason. The LB group is going to need all of the help that they can get.

Gross

Agreed re: injuries. I think that there's been enough done to where the team has starting talent at almost every position group (except LB now), but some of those groups are incredibly top-heavy without much depth (ie: DB + LB imo). I think that the roster has been built out enough to where losing a guy in the trenches isn't going to be as devastating as it has been recently... but maaaan if Jaycee gets hurt right after signing his new deal that's going to suck even worse than it has before. I've heard rumours that Hubbard might have patella-related issues (didn't he have a subluxation last season towards the end?), and if that's true I don't doubt we're going to get a much healthier dose of Dowdle than we did Miles Sanders during his tenure. As much as I want to see the pass game take off, it's got a lot of young and unproven commodities that it's depending on to work. I'm expecting growing pains, but with actual growth rather than just the pain.

merged/duplicate - though credit to both for the info

Not really. Just with you and mrcompletely11. Even though CRA is not a big believer in the team currently, he at least engages in good faith debate regarding them. Trying to have a rational conversation with you where you don't crash out and start being dismissive is outright impossible, so triggering you with poo emojis and pointing out your Bryce hate is the most effort I'm willing to put in until you figure out how to be a person.

Get well Josey

*taps the sign*

The LB and DB rooms have a lot of question marks going into this season... I won't be surprised if the defense is better but not completely turned around. At the same time, this has been almost a total rebuild between this season and last... a group or two had to be the weak spots while other areas get shored up first.

Ah, I see. You're saying he's just a short game guy... but wouldn't the team still have needed a deep threat to keep those safeties from creeping down like they were when Reich/Brown had him dinking and dunking? Who from this list is preventing that from happening last season? David Moore? Then what about this season? Darius Slayton? I'm not saying that weren't better moves to have been made, but I don't think that AT is the half-in, half-out mindset as suggested. He came in under Reich, was a dependable veteran for a rookie HC that has a background with WRs, and is now set to make $2M less than the aforementioned Darius Slayton. What I am saying I guess is that when stepping back and looking at all of the available data points, the Adam Thielen signing was one of the few moves that this team has made that has worked out. Going to be fun seeing if Jimmy Horn Jr can contribute right away as that quick-twitch slot guy the team has been looking for. I don't see Thielen playing the entire season, so the sooner Jimmy picks things up the better.

I'm all for having developed Ladd under AT last season, but that still doesn't address WR1/WR2. Even if we add Diontae to that mix still, who is the other WR? I'd rather give AT the $9M and draft XL than pay DJ Chark (or Diontae Johnson) and draft Ladd, especially when drafting Ladd doesn't give the team a deep threat to take the top off of a defense like XL does.