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What’s your 2023 QB big board (including Corral)
Icege replied to Wundrbread33's topic in Carolina Panthers
Pickett, Willis, Ridder, Corral, and Howell were all being mocked in the first before going where they went in the draft. I don't think that you can hold being drafted in the 3rd round against him, especially given that he would likely be discussed as the #1 QB in this current draft class. Going back and watching Corral vs Young & Hooker in 2021 was fairly eye opening. -
What’s your 2023 QB big board (including Corral)
Icege replied to Wundrbread33's topic in Carolina Panthers
I'm all in with rolling with Corral next season for a multitude of reasons including if he sucks then the team has to throw everything, kitchen sink included, at being in position to draft Draft Maye. -
What’s your 2023 QB big board (including Corral)
Icege replied to Wundrbread33's topic in Carolina Panthers
Updated: 1. Matt Corral (Ole Miss) 2. Bryce Young (Alabama) 3. Will Levis (Kentucky) 4. CJ Stroud (Ohio State) 5. Anthony Richardson (Florida) 6. Max Duggan (TCU) 7. Grayson McCall (Coastal Carolina) 8. Hendon Hooker (Tennessee) 9. KJ Jefferson (Arkansas) 10. Bo Nix (Oregon) 11. Tyler Van Dyke (Miami) 12. Michael Penix Jr (Washington) 13. Jaren Hall (BYU) 14. Dorian Thompson-Robinson (UCLA) 15. Tanner McKee (Stanford) 16. Cameron Rising (Utah) -
Even with those glasses, if you look at his performance in 2021 and compare it to QBs this season (as well as last season if you want to compare his film to the current top 3 when they were all playing), it's hard not to want to roll with him like you said. The dude would be the #1 QB this year if he had gone back to school. tbh, idk how anybody could watch the Tennessee game and come away thinking that it was on Levis. The team was down 30-6 and his OC called run-run-pass-punt. What did concern me about that game though was how Levis struggled to do too much. He's been let down by his team all season (omg the drops), but what's been especially troubling is how he didn't elevate the guys around him. With that said, he is the most "pro-ready, prototypical" QB. Runs an pro-style offense from under center that's a derivative of the Shanahan-offense, big body with a big arm, tough, etc... but is he a leader of men? He plays hurt, but does he inspire the team around him? I haven't seen that. Hard to argue against the fact that you could draft him late in the 1st and have a solid game manager to pilot a team. I don't see any guys in this draft that are top 5. Bryce Young's durability concerns alone push him down to the #15 range imo, and that's if a team is okay with letting him sit, learn, and bulk up for a year. Levis I can see being a late 1st like Pickett with the same issues: can distribute the rock but isn't going to take over games too often. Stroud I see as a 2nd round guy: either he develops and you roll with him, or he doesn't and you hit reset. Even though I'm the conductor of the Duggan hypetrain, I wouldn't touch him until the 4th round at the earliest. Would be a great day 3 pick-up to have as a developmental option behind Corral as they have similar playstyles, but I think our best bet is Matt.
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What’s your 2023 QB big board (including Corral)
Icege replied to Wundrbread33's topic in Carolina Panthers
If things hold and the Panthers are picking at #3, I can see Young/Levis going 1/2 to DET + HOU. Seattle is the next closest team to being in the market for a QB, and with the current #8 + #20 picks they could be a prime trade partner. Grabbing a top 10 + top 20 guy to come in and start at two spots would be a huge boost. -
1. Bryce Young (Alabama) 2. Will Levis (Kentucky) 3. CJ Stroud (Ohio State) 4. Anthony Richardson (Florida) 5. Max Duggan (TCU) 6. Grayson McCall (Coastal Carolina) 7. Hendon Hooker (Tennessee) 8. KJ Jefferson (Arkansas) 9. Bo Nix (Oregon) 10. Tyler Van Dyke (Miami) 11. Michael Penix Jr (Washington) 12. Jaren Hall (BYU) 13. Dorian Thompson-Robinson (UCLA) 14. Tanner McKee (Stanford) 15. Cameron Rising (Utah) I've got to watch games still for the guys outside of the top 7, but I'll also say that if Matt Corral were in this draft class based on his 2021 game film alone I'd have him as QB1 on that list. For those interested in games watched so far: Bryce Young vs. Texas, Tennessee, LSU, Ole Miss, Ole Miss 2021 CJ Stroud vs. Notre Dame, Iowa, Penn State Will Levis vs. Florida, Ole Miss, Tennessee Max Duggan vs. Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Kansas, West Virginia Hendon Hooker vs. Alabama, Kentucky, Florida, Georgia, Ole Miss 2021 Dorian Thompson-Robinson vs. Washington, Utah, Oregon, Stanford Grayson McCall vs. Marshall, Old Dominion, Georgia Southern Anthony Richardson vs. Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia, Utah KJ Jefferson vs. Ole Miss 2021, BYU, South Carolina, Texas A&M Bo Nix vs. Georgia, BYU, Stanford, UCLA Tyler Van Dyke vs. UNC, Texas A&M, Middle Tennessee Jaren Hall vs. Oregon, Notre Dame, Arkansas Tanner McKee vs. UCLA, Oregon, USC, Washington Cameron Rising vs. UCLA, Florida, USC Michael Penix Jr vs. Stanford, UCLA, California Matt Corral vs. LSU, Arkansas, Alabama, Tennessee (all 2021)
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The offense is in an awkward position because all of their potential needs could be taken care of. Center and RB could be shored up by retaining Bozeman and Foreman. Needs at wide receiver, tight end, and OL depth could satisfied if TMJ, Shi, Tremble, and/or Mays develop. On the other hand, the defense has seven returning starters next year but could use some depth at all levels. The team needs a starting LE, MLB, and NB. I don't see Henderson and Gross-Matos growing into two of their roles outside of being what they are. Lots of questions at the moment, but thankfully we've got a lot of football left to evaluate.
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Quinten Johnston in the 1st, then Max Duggan in the 2nd.
Icege replied to UpstatePantherfan's topic in Carolina Panthers
If we didn't already have Matt Corral, I would be all in on Max Duggan. Dude can play. If he can be coached up to handle pressure better, folks would be talking about him in the same breath as Stroud. He's got a laser for an arm and has a second gear that he hits on the run. Plays with confidence as well. But... after all of the games that I've watched, it's clear that Matt Corral would be one of the top prospects this year if he had stayed at Ole Miss. I am, however, all in on Quenton Johnston. -
What’s your 2023 QB big board (including Corral)
Icege replied to Wundrbread33's topic in Carolina Panthers
1. Matt Corral (Ole Miss) 2. Bryce Young (Alabama) 3. Will Levis (Kentucky) 4. CJ Stroud (Ohio State) 5. Anthony Richardson (Florida) 6. Max Duggan (TCU) 7. Grayson McCall (Coastal Carolina) 8. Hendon Hooker (Tennessee) 9. Bo Nix (Oregon) 10. Tyler Van Dyke (Miami) 11. Michael Penix Jr (Washington) 12. Jaren Hall (BYU) 13. Dorian Thompson-Robinson (UCLA) 14. Tanner McKee (Stanford) 15. Cameron Rising (Utah) Need to watch more games for the guys outside of the top 8, but after watching a dumb amount of football over the last month I'm all in on Corral for next year. Baker and PJ will want to start next year as well, but if either of them are still available and willing to return as a back-up/mentor to Corral that'd be awesome. Would give the team the chance to pick up a blue chip prospect or even allow them to trade down to accumulate some more picks in the top 50 (omg pls get TCU WR Quenton Johnston). Going to be a stressful time evaluating these guys and wondering what they have with Matt. Glad that ain't my job. -
What’s your 2023 QB big board (including Corral)
Icege replied to Wundrbread33's topic in Carolina Panthers
He is most certainly the best runner of this group. The only comparable runner is Max Duggan, but as much as I'm going to be overhyping Duggan he does break down tremendously under pressure while Corral seems to feed off of it. His ability as a runner makes me even more enthusiastic about the team's redzone potential with him at the helm. If Wilks or the next head coach opt to go a route similar to Daboll and Jones, we could see Corral get his shot at being the guy with the understanding that the team is going to throw the house at getting their favorite prospect in 2024 if he doesn't perform. Or they could decide that the team would be better off with Bryce Young at the helm. -
What’s your 2023 QB big board (including Corral)
Icege replied to Wundrbread33's topic in Carolina Panthers
Been curious where Corral lines up as I've been doing my armchair scouting. I've got his game vs Bama last year to watch still and a few other games, but I'm starting to become a believer that Matt Corral would be QB1 in this draft class... -
There's plenty of room on the Max Duggan hype train despite all of the hookers and drugs we loaded up on.
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Just saw that I butchered the links/timestamps, so I'm just gonna put the game here and put the timestamps below: Beautiful back shoulder TD (5:18) Gotta go fast (26:00) Great ball placement to convert on 3rd (47:25) That fake pitch tho (1:32:55) Got down too early, but clearly has a second gear that he can hit (1:46:50)
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Some Max Duggan highlights... vs. Oklahoma Beautiful back shoulder TD Gotta go fast Great ball placement to convert on 3rd That fake pitch tho Got down too early, but clearly has a second gear that he can hit I'll try and go through the other games I've watched vs Kansas State and Oklahoma State to grab some other highlights. Another flaw that I noticed while pulling these that Duggan does have the occasional "Who the Hell were you throwing it to? A fuging giant?" moments. @ForJimmy
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Biggest negatives I could think of off the top of my head: Air Raid offense Has a very good team around him (how much is the production due to him vs scheme/teammates?) Lost the starting job before the season but got it back due to injury Gambler/gunslinger mentality, very willing to put it up and let his guy go get it (blessing and/or a curse) The kid throws lasers though, has plenty of arm strength, and has WHEELS. Love his willingness to trust his guy and how he doesn't hesitate to chuck it deep.
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Haven't gotten to watch the games from Saturday yet, but woof at Levis' stat line. Will be interesting seeing how much of it was related to 77 at RT who looks like Remmers vs Miller in every game they've played. Excited to see if Stroud can make me a believer again. Gonna do my best to be more critical of Max Duggan instead of being enthralled by. Quentin Johnston is a top 5 WR in this draft class that just goes up and makes plays, so I'll have to make sure I'm crediting him as much as I'm hyped for Duggan. Got to make time still to watch games for McCall & DRT.
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Still can't believe we got the kid. So stoked that we have an actual OL and aren't cycling Nate Chandler and Byron Bell anymore
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The fact that this starting OL is likely what we could roll with for this season and the following two gives me so much hope for the future. A QB, WR, and TE would complete this offense. If TMJ + Tremble can break out, then that leaves QB. Will it be Matt Corral or a draft pick? Who knows, but the season got a whole lot more fun after Rhule was fired and professional decisions started being made.
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OH MY GOD ARE WE GOING TO BE FIRST PLACE IN THE NFC SOUTH
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Can't help but wonder what the final score would have been had the refs not decided to get heavily involved on behalf of ATL towards the end there. Definitely wouldn't have had that TD to Byrd
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fug! Was hoping that because DJax was walking that he was gonna be ok but now that he's on the cart...
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No false start on the LT... no holding call vs. Burns... Look, NFL, I appreciate that you want the Panthers to be a top 3 pick in the draft... but fug off, k?
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Don't mind Derrick Brown, he's just causing the LG to jump because he's been in their backfield all afternoon.
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Damn, looked like DJax's ankle got caught under London