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I'm in complete agreement with Ballard: There's got to be a guy worthy of moving up Doesn't think that a team has to trade up to get it right. "Not in the right course of business." Understands that there's got to be a narrative to keep the news going, so everybody is going to think that a trade up has to happen If the staff gets together and thinks it's the guy for the next 10yrs, then yea, trade up, but who's to say they won't get one at #4? McAfee paraphrasing Chris Ballard: "Who says we might not trade back? I mean fug, listen, I'm tired. You guys gotta write what you gotta write, ok? I'm here to tell you your fuging wrong and you've never drafted ever before."

If anything, it shows how abysmal of a play-caller Ben McAdoo is. The team goes run heavy with 2 TEs in to block and yet they never get them involved outside of the random drive where for whatever reason the ball gets forced to Ian Thomas a couple of times for a quick three and out -_-

No argument here. Personally, I'm not a fan of the "if he can do it, he can do it" mentality simply because I acknowledge that there are exceptions to the rules now and then. We'll be a better team with either of them though. It's one of the reasons why I haven't been nearly as obsessed with the prospects this upcoming draft: the team is in a good position to make a move or stay put and still get a quality player that will improve the roster.

You're more than welcome to feel that way, but the truth of the matter is that college production does matter when scouting a prospect. Traits are what are emphasized, absolutely, but they also need to see how those traits have been utilized. It's why scouts had no issue realizing Herbert's arm strength despte the system he was in. Production is also why Jalen Hurts got selected in the 2nd round instead of falling to the 3rd or 4th.

College production absolutely matters when it comes to scouting a prospect. If you've got a guy with all of the tools that was never able to get the results, then that's a possible red flag that requires more digging by the scouting department. Was he limited due to the system? Was he coached to do things a particular way? etc.

This. Stroud's performance vs. Georgia was impressive and likely the best of his career, but anybody that put in time watching the rest of his games know that that was not who he has been. He's always been talked up as somebody that's incredibly clean and efficient with a clean pocket and talented weapons, which is true but when he has to move off platform his accuracy and decision-making crater. That's one of the things that makes Mahomes the best currently: his ability to deliver the ball from different angles while on the move. Having said that, the scouting community has a saying: if he can do it once, he can do it. If the coaching staff can get him to that Georgia game level on a consistent basis, then he's got to be on the big board.

I know some folks here might feel otherwise, but Matt Corral only getting 31 snaps in the preseason last year while being the forgotten child behind Baker & Sam's QB competition (and the 4th string OL) is not enough of a sample size to say that it's a wrap. Sure, we can assume that because there's a new coaching staff that they're going to want a different guy but this is also the same GM that moved up to draft him. That requires equal consideration. If anything, the fact that Corral was traded up for last year does give the team some flexibility at #9. They don't have to move up unless they fall in love with one of this year's prospects, and if those prospects are gone by the time the Panthers select they can still get a top 10 (possibly top 5!) player or move back if any teams are interested in coming up. That's a good thing.

I put this in one of the other threads, but it's more appropriate here... DBs I'm watching today when able: Brian Branch, Christian Gonzalez, Joey Porter Jr, Devon Witherspoon, Tre'Vious Hodges-Tomlinson, Garrett Williams, Riley Moss, Darrell Lutter Jr, Jaylon Jones, Kyu Blu Kelly, Ji'Ayir Brown, Sydney Brown, and Trey Dean III Dean III did well at the Senior Bowl iirc (or was it the Shrine Bowl?). Very interested to see if he builds off of that performance.

You were also high on Zach Wilson and have been low on Jalen Hurts.

DBs I'm watching today when able: Brian Branch, Christian Gonzalez, Joey Porter Jr, Devon Witherspoon, Tre'Vious Hodges-Tomlinson, Garrett Williams, Riley Moss, Darrell Lutter Jr, Jaylon Jones, Kyu Blu Kelly, Ji'Ayir Brown, Sydney Brown, and Trey Dean III Dean III did well at the Senior Bowl iirc (or was it the Shrine Bowl?). Very interested to see if he builds off of that performance.

Just hearing that he did that made me want to retch Now I want him arrested

Considering your history with QB evals, this means he's destined to be the next Brady

Byron Young had fast feet and impressively violent hands.

Very eager to see the front seven today. Lot of solid prospects at LB and on the DLine this draft. Specifically for the LBs: Daiyan Henley, Jack Campbell, Ivan Pace Jr, and Anfernee Orji For the DL: Siaki Ika, Zacch Pickens, Dante Stills, Gervon Dexter Sr, Tyree Wilson, Keion White, Luke Van Ness, Tuli Tuipulotu, BJ Ojulari, Felix Anudike-Uzomah, Isaiah Foskey, KJ Henry, Nolan Smith, Nick Herbig, Andre Carter II, and Nick Hampton

Damn Daniel

Not handling pressure well nor being able to deliver off platform throws when having to improvise are fairly damning traits for an NFL QB prospect. If Stroud is the guy, then the hope is that the Georgia game is the type of player he is rather than can be.

Definitely would prefer going with developing a young guy. Whether that's Corral or one of the QBs in this upcoming draft I'll leave to the folks getting paid to figure that out.

Have gone from "pls don't trade up" to "if this coaching staff says go get em, go get em." Hoping that the staff can live up to the expectation

With the coaching staff that the team has in place on the offensive side on the ball, I have no longer have any issue with trading up for a QB. If there's a guy that the coaches agree can be the franchise QB, then go get him. If they believe in Corral, then roll with Matt. If they say bring back Sam, bring him back. I'm legit just excited for the ride now.

WE GOT HIM

Pls pls pls pls pls pls

Between Bryce Young's size concerns, CJ Stroud's difficulties with handling pressure while throwing to future NFL Pro Bowlers, Will Levis' inability to take over a game at the college level, and Anthony Richardson being the metaphorical equivalent of a ball of clay... this place is going to be a sea of tears when the draft comes. Kind of hoping that they take Bijan Robinson at #9 just to watch the world burn

Please stay put at #9 or trade back

I wouldn't break the bank for Carr, personally. If he's available (and affordable), go get him. Otherwise, look to the draft to add to the QB room along with whatever vet the staff brings in.