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Looking at when the catch was made vs. when Woods pulled up + the angle he was coming from, doesn't look like the hit would be nearly as bad as you think. Plus, I've see Chark hold on to the ball while taking shots or having a defender hanging all over him. Would the safer play have been to hit the RB or TE underneath? Sure, but then we're hearing about how Bryce is scared to take shots downfield or doesn't have the arm to push it. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. It is what it is.
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Anybody else think we are putting to much on Bryce's plate?
Icege replied to DennisM1's topic in Carolina Panthers
Hmm... interesting. I was curious as to whether or not PFF's grades were influenced by usage and that might be the case. Prentice only had 3 targets last year of which he caught all 3 for 9yds and a 1st down. Out of curiosity, do they have JK Dobbins ranked? He had 7 catches on 8 targets with no drops for 42yds, 1 TD, and 3 1sts. Wondering how low they'd consider him if usage is as heavy of an influence as it might seem. From what it sounded like at training camp today, they were lining Laviska up all over the place as well as letting him take handoffs in the backfield. I'm a big fan of the former part of that, because if the team makes it a point to move him all over the field it can allow them to use him as a gadget player early on before letting him be the decoy later once defenses start keying in on him. That's going to make life even easier for Bryce. -
For disagreeing that Miles Sanders is a good enough pass catcher as an RB? Nah. I stand by that. But I will let him know that they're doing what a lot of us are hoping to see that he just mentioned earlier: utilizing Laviska out of the backfield more often this season than last.
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@CRALooks like they might have a plan for Hasta Laviska similar to what you mentioned you were hoping for in the other thread
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It’s not going to be cheap to retain Derrick Big Baby Brown
Icege replied to TheBigKat's topic in Carolina Panthers
Doesn't have a forced fumble, but he does have two picks and plenty of pass deflections! I understand that folks want him to have sacks, but we can't ignore the other net positive plays that he creates for the defense that have impacted the opposing QB. I'm interested to see if he's going to have more opportunities to get to the QB. Allegedly, Evero's system rushes four while using the primary pass rusher (in our case, Burns) to eat up double teams. Hopefully pairing that with how the scheme is also known to disguise coverages pre-snap will give DBrown more opportunities to get to the QB. -
Anybody else think we are putting to much on Bryce's plate?
Icege replied to DennisM1's topic in Carolina Panthers
Out of curiosity... who was #149? If it wasn't Chuba Hubbard, then throw that baby out with the bath water (imo). But in all seriousness, that's incredibly hard to believe just looking at the numbers for other RBs. AJ Dillon: 43 targets, 28 catches, 7 drops (16.3% drop rate) Nick Chubb: 37 targets, 27 catches, 4 drops (10.8% drop rate) Breece Hall: 31 targets, 19 catches, 5 drops (16.1%) James Conner: 58 targets, 46 catches, 7 drops (12.1% drop rate) It's hard for me to look at those stats along with Sanders' 26 targets, 20 catches, and 2 drops (7.7% drop rate) and not take that PFF grade ranking with a grain of salt. Hard to get Bryce more when we had to stock the team beforehand. Free agency first, then the draft. Unless we want to rehash the old argument about whether or not they knew it was Bryce all along, but I don't think we've gotten that bored again. -
Anybody else think we are putting to much on Bryce's plate?
Icege replied to DennisM1's topic in Carolina Panthers
Agreed on Chuba having stonehands. However, he could also develop into a quality starting RB like Miles Sanders has. Regarding Sanders as a pass catcher, he definitely had issues in his sophomore season. His 53.2% catch percentage from that season is heavily influenced by how much Wentz sucked when targeting him, arguably more so than his 7 drops (which were way too many, don't get me wrong there). 52 targets, 28 of them catches, 7 of them drops... that's 17 passes that completely missed him. It's worth noting that since that season, he's only dropped 3 total passes (1 in 2021, 2 last season). I'd also like to point out, in support of how bad Chuba's hands are, that he dropped 7 passes on just 37 targets during his rookie season. He dropped 1 of his 17 targets last year though. Also have to take into consideration the QB + style of play. Jalen Hurts rarely targets his RBs, which is backed up by Sanders' targets prior to Hurts starting. Just look at his targets from 2021 + 2022: 2021 Targets 104 - DeVonta Smith, WR 76 - Dallas Goedert, TE 62 - Quez Watkins, WR 57 - Jalen Reagor, WR 50 - Kenneth Gainwell, RB 34 - Miles Sanders, RB 2022 Targets 145 - AJ Brown, WR 136 - DeVonta Smith, WR 69 - Dallas Goedert, TE 51 - Quez Watkins, WR 29 - Kenneth Gainwell, RB 26 - Miles Sanders, RB Gainwell was also the change of pace back for the Eagles. Yea, in the postseason they started going with him primarily but that could also be due to them thinking they put some wear and tear on Miles. Kenneth Gainwell 2021: 298 snaps (29%), 68 rushing attempts, 50 targets 2022: 331 snaps (28%), 53 rushing attempts, 29 targets Miles Sanders 2021: 426 snaps (53%), 137 rushing attempts, 34 targets 2022: 673 snaps (57%), 259 rushing attempts, 26 targets I don't agree that Miles Sanders is not an effective pass catcher out of the backfield. Is he as elite as CMC? No, but in terms of being a 3-down back he fits that role and I think will do just fine for Bryce Young as his safety valve out of the backfield. -
Stoked for the kid to ball out in this defense!
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Summary NFC South didn't have the lowest "Power Score" in the league. That belonged to the NFC North. At the time of the recording, the Panthers had the #27 Power Score. The Rams, Cardinals, and Bears all ranked lower than the Panthers along with two teams yet to be reviewed (my money is on the Texans and the Colts). Most impactful free agents: Miles Sanders (Brett) & Derek Carr (EJ) Brett: Run-heavy division with expectations that the team will remain run-heavy under Reich that will run a lot of the concepts that Sanders exceled at in Philly (inside zone, power, and duo). Believes that Sanders has developed into a solid RB and is under an affordable deal. Would not be stunned if he has a 1300-1400 total yard season with double digit touchdowns. EJ: Miles has to be happy with the deal he got after watching how things fell apart for other RBs on the market. Coming from one of the best OLs in Philly limited his landing spots and he chose an ascending young OL to run behind. Brett had high praises for the OL, citing how they went from CMC to Foreman and didn't miss a beat. Dark Horse Candidate: DJ Chark (EJ). Both had Jessie Bates as their runner-up. Notable rookies for Carolina: Bryce Young, Jonathan Mingo, and Chandler Zavala Favourite Rookie Addition: Bryce Young (Brett) & Bijan Robinson (EJ) Brett is very high on Bryce Young. Said if he were a little better that folks would be talking him up like they did Joe Burrow. Great in big moments, eyes in the back of his head, elite pocket presence, touch, accuracy, more than enough arm strength. He's also a Mater Dei alum like Bryce is and says that he's one of the best QBs that he's ever seen play live with his own eyes. Was also very high on Chandler Zavala as was EJ. EJ feels good for the Carolina fans. No sure thing in the draft, but Bryce has a better combo of skills & attributes the matter for the QB position then those that have come before him. Can amplify the team and has shown that as far back as high school. Only complaint from other people is that he's not big and might get hurt, which EJ will agree on the size but not him being frail. Survived the SEC guys that got drafted and are going to be chasing him around at the next level and still played at a high level with things that can't be taught: anticipation, speed in pre-snap + post-snap reads, good enough mobility to stay out of the way and open up throwing lanes, wait until the last micro-second to get rid of the ball when a route opens up, etc. In terms of pure starting experience, more than most QBs in a more competitive conference at a higher level of execution. Really likes Young, but couldn't pick him because he joked that he's contractually obligated to defer all Mater Dei alum to Brett. Division MVP: Brian Burns (Brett) & Chris Olave (EJ) Brett thinks there are few divisions that a non-QB can be MVP but expects a master class season: possibility of 16+ sacks, bunch of forced fumbles, outrageous pressure numbers. EJ agrees that Burns is awesome and picked him as DPOTY last year, but says that Fangio's system that Evero runs does not like to give their four primary rushers help. They also like to use their primary rusher, in Carolina's case Brian Burns, to eat up double teams. He does not agree with using the best pass rusher on the team as a decoy 70% of the time. Believes that the scheme will suppress him. Offensive POTY: Chris Olave (Brett) & Derek Carr (EJ) Defensive POTY: Jaycee Horn (Brett) & Grady Jarrett (EJ) Brett says that when he's been healthy that Jaycee Horn has shown that he's a great corner. In terms of durability/consistency, Patrick Surtain has won the debate so far but believes that Horn is due for a ridiculous year even though he has Burns as the MVP. Believes that he's the perfect fit for the defense the same way that Surtain was for Evero in Denver and will be used in the same way. EJ says that the defense funnels opportunities to the primary CB. Believes that Horn will benefit from it the same way Burns' stats won't. Brett followed up with saying that the defensve leaves the #1 CB on an island often while playing three over two along with two on one on the backside. That leaves him 1v1, meaning there will be targets which is going to give chances to PBUs + INTs. Offensive ROTY: Bryce Young (both) Defensive ROTY: Calijah Kancey (both) Coach of the Year: Frank Reich (Brett) & Dennis Allen (EJ) Brett loved Steve Wilks and thought he did great last year and would've chosen him, but goes with Reich as he believes the Panthers are an ascending team. EJ agrees that they're ascending and can win double digit games even with a rookie QB. Not a typical team that takes a QB #1 overall. The Panthers have a deeper roster than that. Other side of the ball is not bereft of talent. Division Winner: Carolina Panthers (both) If both had to put money, they'd put it on Carolina. From overall roster quality + depth, coaching, a young QB that they believe in, a tough but not an insurmountable schedule. Best shot to win a playoff game in January. Bryce Young is a rare rookie QB that can overcome mistakes that he will make. The team around him is good enough with talent on defense and a DC that can put more talent in better positions to succeed. Questions of course about how long it takes for things to gel, but Evero has the pieces on defense. Are there any NFC East teams that the Panthers could beat in the postseason? Maybe the Giants if DJ has a bad-to-average day. Can this team take out a team from the toughest division last year? Of course... if the NFC East QB falters early.
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Definitely hesitant to sign a guy that was cut by a coach known to be loyal to his vets. Injuries? Incoming disciplinary action? What is it? Looking at the roster, it looks like they're rolling with Nick Gates ($3.2M), Braeden Daniels (2023 4th), Chris Paul (2022 7th), and Saahdiq Charles (2020 4th) with Trenton Scott ($1.5M) competing for a roster spot. By cutting Norwell, the Commanders will save nearly $5M which essentially halves the cost of the offensive guards for the team. At least, that's what this article announcing that he will be released from May 30th suggests. I doubt he goes anywhere to be a camp body, otherwise I'd say give it a shot. But with Christensen, Corbett, Zavala, and Mays he'd be here until Corbett is back. I don't think that works out in the end for the team nor Norwell. Not sure who the teams currently are that are thin on the interior. They'll likely already have been talking to his agent.
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Highest paid total contract but only getting $2.5M this season which would make him the 26th highest paid RB. Next year jumps to $7.65M which will make him the 7th highest paid. It goes up to a little over $8M the year after, but at that point the contract allows the team to cut him and save over $5M with ~$2.9M dead cap. The Giants, Raiders, and Cowboys are all paying for a RB to be on the franchise tag for one season what the Panthers are paying to keep Sanders for two. The Bengals are paying Joe Mixon $8M this season and have a similar out to Sanders third year but in year 2. Given the comparisons across the league, i'm happy with the way Suleiman structured the deal.
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This along with the current top 10 cap hits for QBs... Give that $13M being saved on Matt Stafford to Brian Burns plskthx
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That sucks to hear, I had a completely different experience. I've found a lot of his videos to be informative and more in-depth than a lot of the stuff on YT. His background working for NFL Network likely helped a lot there, enough to at least land him a job back in the league while still producing content.
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Post em if you got em. Bootleg Football (I like Brett Kollman's content) just posted up their Panthers episode this morning. They've covered the rest of the division already and will have an NFC South video up later today or tomorrow (if it's not up already). This one was already posted in a thread of its own. Solid video. This one is about half as long as the above. Haven't gotten to start it yet, but included here in case somebody else gets to it and finds it to be pretty good! A sub-10min video for those on the go
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Can Bryce Young lead Panthers to a deep playoff run?
Icege replied to NAS's topic in Carolina Panthers
A deep run? Going to depend on a lot of luck in regards to injuries plus who the first draw is. Can he get us to the playoffs? The team nearly got there with an offense piloted by Ben McAdoo & Sam Darnold. The coaching staff and QB position have been upgraded, and there's an argument to be made that the defense was upgraded as well (at least from a coaching perspective). The WR room lost it's #1 WR but there's no doubt that the room as a whole has gotten more talented (Thielen, Chark, Marshall, Mingo, and Shenault alone is a solid overall room, nevermind whoever the 6th WR will be). The division is winnable, that much is for certain. The Bucs are tumbling, full stop. The Falcons are hoping to run an offense similar to what Smith did in Tennessee but with Ridder/Robinson rather than Tannehill/Henry, but do they have a defense that can support that type of offensive approach? How the Saints look this season will dictate a lot. -
Whatever he needs to play for the coaching staff to feel that he's prepared for the regular season. I'm expecting Corral to get a bulk of the time with Young/Dalton being saved for the regular season, but it will be interesting seeing what all of the QB gurus in the room think is best for a young signal caller.
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Playing with Bryce lower than Corral has been brutal
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Also worth mentioning that Burns was primarily used a 4-3 DE rather than 3-4 OLB until last season. Having him in his ideal position is going to help tremendously. If the team can find another DL aside from Brown or get another pass rusher to put opposite of Burns this is going to be a dangerous defense.
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It really is remarkable how Reddit & Discord realize it but the Huddle is still 50/50 on the situation
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It’s not going to be cheap to retain Derrick Big Baby Brown
Icege replied to TheBigKat's topic in Carolina Panthers
In his rookie season, only 5 DTs in the league were double teamed more often Can't find him on the list for his sophomore season (looks like the only Carolina DL that Walder tracked that season was Burns?), but even watching the game he consistently pulled double teams from opposing defenses. Plus, as noted prior, his stats against the run can't be ignored either. EDIT: Did find this from his sophomore season tho. https://www.panthers.com/video/steve-smith-on-derrick-brown-double-team-machine -
It’s not going to be cheap to retain Derrick Big Baby Brown
Icege replied to TheBigKat's topic in Carolina Panthers
Dexter Lawrence also has a full season more played than Derrick Brow. Their statistics from their first three seasons are very similar: Derrick Brown Dexter Lawrence +/- Sacks 6 9 -3 Pressures 48 48 0 Hurries 15 17 -2 QB Hits 33 30 3 QB Knockdowns 26 19 7 Tackles for Loss 21 14 7 Pass Deflections 15 5 10 Interceptions 1 0 1 Forced Fumbles 0 2 -2 Over an equal timespan, DLaw has 3 more sacks, 2 more hurries, and 2 more forced fumbles than DBrown. On the flipside, DBrown has 10 more pass deflections, 7 more tackles for loss, 7 more QB knockdowns, 3 more QB hits, and 1 more interception than DLaw. Lawrence might just end up being the best comp to use for Brown's next contract, though Brown might be able to argue that the other had Leonard Williams next to him for the entirety of his career. -
It’s not going to be cheap to retain Derrick Big Baby Brown
Icege replied to TheBigKat's topic in Carolina Panthers
Can't help but wonder how many of the folks whining about Brown's sack total have forgotten the old DT addage: "Two on me, someone's free." Fairly important to consider, especially given how Derrick Brown was one of the most often double-teamed defensive linemen in the league the last couple of seasons. -
It’s not going to be cheap to retain Derrick Big Baby Brown
Icege replied to TheBigKat's topic in Carolina Panthers
Couldn't be happier for Burns and Brown. Both have performed and deserve to be paid. Was nice to have them on their rookie deals, but thankfully we'll have Bryce, Icky, and Mingo on their rookie deals to offset the upcoming negotiations. -