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Considering that all of the teams are now in a cap crunch due to the COVID-influenced reduction, I don't think we can put a whole lot of blame on the front office this season for being over the cap and having to make moves that literally every team is having to do as well.

Big difference between having an extra $5M come available on 6/2 compared to nothing at all.

Any word if he is being designated a post-6/1 cut?

Jaylon Smith is a crazy interesting name that I never considered, but it is a possibility based on his contract's structure. I don't see the Cowboys cutting him this season though as they stand to gain a lot more money if they just wait another year to see if he ascends. Crowder, Ertz, and Graham I am super straight on tho. Would rather look for rising stars than fading lights.

Leads me to believe that he was there on business but suddenly stopped checking in.

https://www.panthers.com/news/snap-counts-carolina-at-washington-x1360 Marquis Haynes and Efe Obada were the DE starters. The team did exactly what folks are suggesting outside of being as obvious as the Eagles were with their attempts to tank. Funny enough, folks are saying they should have started PJ over Teddy like PJ hadn't beaten the Lions and they hadn't been saying Teddy was the reason for the losses

In all fairness, you started with the "what if" over a game from almost two months ago when there were plenty of other Ws that could've been Ls

Joe Person's latest Athletic article, Can Panthers find treasures among other teams’ salary cap-casualty trash?, touches on a few of the situations that some of us Huddlers have been looking at. Some of the specific targets Person has listed: TE: Zach Ertz, Cameron Brate, David Njoku, Jimmy Graham WR: Jamison Crowder OL: Charles Leno Jr, Kevin Zeitler, James Carpenter DT: Jarran Reed, Akiem Hicks, Quinton Jefferson CB: Malcolm Butler LB: Jaylon Smith, Bendardrick McKinney A few of us have buzzed about Njoku. He's a great athlete. Not from Person's article, but a few other possible cap casualties: OL: Andrew Norwell, Brandon Linder, Anthony Castonzo, Kevin Zeitler, Trai Turner, George Fant, Terron Armstead TE: Evan Engram, Kyle Rudolph, Eric Ebron, Jesse James, CJ Uzomoah, Tyler Eifert, OJ Howard LB: Dont'a Hightower, Jordan Hicks CB: Kyle Fuller, Janoris Jenkins, Steven Nelson, Xavien Howard, Desmond Trufant, Justin Coleman, Bradley Roby, Robert Alford, Jonathan Jones, Buster Skrine

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Sam Ehlinger looked atrocious at the Senior Bowl As in couldn't even back-up in the CFL bad.

You keep saying that folks don't understand the concept, but in actuality that's you bby. Everyone understands that draft selections are assigned values and that the higher picks have greater value because in theory, you'll be selecting the best player available for your team. Nobody has debated this, yet you keep going back to it as if it's the final answer when it isn't. What exactly makes those draft picks valuable? Aside from getting in new talent, there's the salary cap implications as well as an attempt at competitive balance. What makes a draft pick a bust? If they do not pan out. Therefore, each of those selections is essentially a spot in line to gamble. This is why the attempt at quantification falls flat, because you have no idea what the final value is going to be in the player that you exchanged that draft pick for. By it's very nature, the draft is not a surefire thing. Therefore, the idea that the team should purposefully lose a game for selections that all 32 teams value differently is illogical and if acted upon harmful. You can keep repeating your point without ever considering another, but that's doesn't make it logical.

The draft in retrospect is consistently a walk of could'ves, would'ves, and should'ves. If Brown wasn't one of "the guys," the team would have moved up to take somebody else. If Herbert was that player, they'd have moved up for him. The fact that they stayed put showed that they were comfortable with how the board ended up. We know this to be the case because this was exactly what was done with Greg Little. The top 4 QBs in the draft prior to last were Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins, and Drew Lock. Just because the player plays at a position that the team could use an upgrade it does not mean that player is worth a top 5 pick. We have re-drafts all of the time showing this. Again, the idea that a team should have lost the Washington game last season to make sure they got the #3 pick is stupid considering the true cost that would require and the fact that any of the other W's could have been L's. There isn't any amount of spreadsheet adjusting that can be done to change that.

That sounds a lot like saying because you get to pick the first lottery ticket at the gas station that you've got a better chance of hitting the jackpot. Unless you're somehow aware of how the player's career will end up?

Nobody is arguing against the higher the draft pick, the better chance you have of selecting the player you want. We're saying that the idea that an NFL team should lose a game in pursuit of that draft positioning to bring in an unknown factor and hope that they take to the environment is incredibly risky at best, self-destructive at worst. I would think that this isn't a difficult concept either, but like with Brian Burns, here we are.

The idea that "We should have lost this game for draft positioning" is flawed in that literally any other W could have been an L to get to the position that folks are crying about. Along with the clear and present issues that comes from throwing a game (increased risk to players, loss of the locker room, potential fines, etc), there's also the flawed logic in that "your guy" is going to be "the guy." Case in point, Jeff Okudah at #3 last year. The year prior, @LinvilleGorge made a big to do in nearly every thread about how the team had played their way out of an elite pass rusher because beating the Saints took the team from the #9 pick to #16. Yet, here we are with Brian Burns. There can certainly be different philosophies in how to approach the draft, but the guy that thought Herbert was Gabbert 2.0, that the Panthers couldn't draft an elite pass rusher at #16 where they took Burns, that the new defense this year kept the team in a majority of the games, or that CMC's best position in the NFL would be slot WR is probably not the best person to try and talk up their views as being "logical."

Trolling some Titans message boards for some answers and a user claiming to have a source that worked with Warmack on non-football related stuff said that he was so wide and big at Bama that they never really did much to hone technique (which is the common complaint about Bama OL: they're big af but have no technique, heavy feet, etc). His weight also really got up there and he had to manage it. Mauler in the run game, weak in pass pro. High praise for his intelligence as well. Looks like he's spent the last few years as a back-up and was the first NFL player to collect on loss-of-value insurance due to college injuries.

Yes.

Veteran guard, former 10th overall pick, former Eagle & Seahawk (though he never suited up for SEA due to COVID opt out) I fully expect the team to reach out to him.

I would like this very much ty

Very interested to see this group as I've been paying a lot of attention to them. Will be interesting seeing another take

Does anyone else get "Don't Speak" by No Doubt playing in their head whenever they see the thread title? I've almost put my head through a window to get the song out.

Why must you say things that you know will hurt me?

When one of Marty's best post-2nd round picks is a throw away pick from Gettleman, that says a lot.

I would be super happy with Rashawn Slater Can plug him in at LG and then let him kick out to LT