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What is Joe Burrow’s superior trait to Kenny Pickett?
Icege replied to FuFuLamePoo's topic in 2025 NFL Draft
Where are people getting this "Kenny Pickett is Joe Burrow" comparison? Is it because they had excellent senior years? Burrow threw for over 1350 more yards and nearly 20 more TDs while throwing less picks. His A/Y was 10.8 (12.5 AY/A) compared to Pickett's 8.7 (9.7 AY/A) and he had a completion percentage of 76.3% compared to Pickett's 67.2%. Burrow also ran for over 150 more yards for the same amount of rushing TDs. On top of that, Pickett's record lifetime at Pittsburgh vs. opponents that remained ranked at the end of the season was 3-7, with 2 of those wins coming in his senior year against Wake Forest and Clemson. Burrow was 7-0 in his senior year against top-25 opponents with Ws over Clemson (NCG), Oklahoma (Peach Bowl), and Georgia (SEC Championship). Against those three, Burrow averaged a 69.9% completion percentage, 435 yards passing, 40 yards rushing, 6 total touchdowns, 10.4 Y/A (12.8 AY/A). No picks nor fumbles. To put that last bit into perspective: Pickett's best game of his entire college career was arguably against Western Michigan where he went 23/31 (74.2%), 382 passing yards, 57 rushing yards, 6 passing TDs, 1 INT, 2 fumbles, and a 12.3 Y/A. Burrow threw for 50 more yards and had a 6:0 TD:TO ratio in postseason games compared to Pickett's 6:3 during his best game. Kenny Pickett isn't anywhere close to Joe Burrow's level. When Burrow played against elite comp, he stepped up. Pickett didn't. -
Still trying to find publicly listed HBCU Combine results. Will add as soon as I find something!
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NFLPA Collegiate Bowl Q2 - Q4 Practices
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Gamebook from the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl here
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Aqeel Glass participated in the HBCU Combine this weekend as well as the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl. I don't think he needs to participate in the NFL Combine if he's satisfied with his numbers tbh.
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Can't wait to get a chance to watch the game. I'm very high on Aqeel Glass and Cole Kelley. To hear that they performed well makes me even more excited to see them push some of the more common names. Oladokun will be interesting to evaluate. His numbers terrify me.
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He's a late addition to my "WATCH THESE MFERS" list
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I've got him at #7 ahead of Purdy + Strong in my preliminary rankings. Excited to see if he moves up ahead of Glass and Ridder to sneak into my top-5 as I learn and see more.
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If we're talking strictly about why they have him in their rankings where they do, it's for reasons that I've already stated. There are qualities that appeal to them more than other qualities that appeal more to me. Besides, there are a LOT of professional evaluators (with the teams or the media) and they've all got different rankings. Howell's evaluation is no different. Just look at how the different media entities have him ranked in terms of this year's QBs: 1st: PFF 3rd: Brugler 4th: ESPN 5th: Mel Kiper, Todd McShay I'm trying to understand the purpose of your line of questioning. What exactly is the point that you're trying to make or the answer that you're trying to get?
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Ridder and Pickett's arm talent give me a lot of pause. I can see them operating in a West Coast offense that isn't asked to stretch the field vertically, but we've already seen how that gameplan works when it's the only one that you have in the NFL. I haven't gotten to watch any of Zappe yet, but am excited to see exactly how he put up the numbers that he did. I'm especially eager to see if it'll lead to any possible gems that he had on the offense with him.
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I think that they're watching a lot more film than I do, for sure. As far as how they leverage stats though, I don't know. I have my method (stats first, games later) because it helps me with identifying what games + situations to watch when I get the time to do so. All I can do is cite the data itself and provide my interpretation of it (as well as what I've seen from watching the actual games when able). But I also don't think a Huddler that says that Howell is, "a poor man's Trubisky," has a clue as to what they're talking about.
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"I'm Reggie, Mr Burnett."
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If we sign Armstead away from the Saints, trade back, and use those picks to draft Tyler Linderbaum and a QB I am getting somebody pregnant.
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To be honest, I think that there are just certain things that people tend to look for when evaluating anything in life, QBs not being an exception. Some might focus on physical assets, others might focus on intangibles, etc. I like to look at what a team's needs are based on their situation. Then I look first at general stats for prospects before drilling down to advanced stats to see if I can get a "blueprint" for what to expect when I watch them play. I'm also looking at their entire career and game logs because I want to find possible trends and concerns to explore. Did their numbers drop due to losing NFL-bound teammates that weren't replaced? Was their one hit wonder year due to a new OC and strong recruiting class? Was there a nagging injury that caused their Y/A to tank for 3 straight games? Their OL allowed 9 sacks in their worst game, is that why they threw the most picks they had all year then? That's me though. I like to DEEP DIVE on stuff to see if it can help me predict what happens next (or, more often, understand why something else happened). Somebody else might prefer Kenny Pickett due to his prolific senior year, Desmond Ridder due to having the more prolific career, and/or Bailey Zappe for putting up those video game numbers. From the numbers (I've still got to watch Ridder + Zappe's games), I think that it's abundantly clear that Howell is the better prospect.
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This. This. This. Last season basically said that Rhule believed he could win now and then with what he assembled. Make him stick to his guns, blow this bih up afterwards, and then go get somebody who's excited to work with a metric fug ton of cap space at their disposal.
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I was looking at Spotrac. I think OTC is wrong on that one due to Daley being in the final year of his rookie deal. 6th round guys get just shy of $1M in their final year.
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I was gonna say... the numbers, circumstances, and play on the field couldn't make that comparison look more lazy and uninformed. Two completely different players and evaluations.
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Dennis Daley is due $996,838 with a dead cap number of $31,838 and Sam Franklin's dead cap is $15k. Not much of a difference for Franklin but def a pretty big discrepancy for Daley.
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Unfortunately, I think the only player on that list that won't return to the team next year is AJ. Hopefully the ones that started won't again at least.
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ngl, the "big school bias" question was a little off putting. Most lists don't even have HBCUs and I've got Aqeel ranked at #7 ahead of Carson Strong who most people are including in that list of top 5/6 QBs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I'm missing a few folks tbh. Skylar Thompson out of Kansas State declared for the draft on Twitter about an hour ago. Several other Srs are opting to return to school or enter the transfer portal. Still waiting to hear if Cole Kelley or Zerrick Cooper are going to declare. The big school QBs didn't so much get there because of their competition but for how they played against stronger competition (while also trying to understand what went on before getting to watch the actual game to see if the eyes match the numbers). I also try to look at common opponents as well as head-to-head match-ups if at all possible. But yea, if I were just going for competition I'd have gone with Corral over Willis (which, btw, was actually the call that I almost made but Willis' arm talent helped win me over for better or worse).
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Sonuvabitch. I completely forgot about Anthony Brown T_T
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Still got a metric fug ton of snaps to watch, but after spending most of the downtime from getting my booster by stats diving and numbers crunching I've finally got a preliminary top-15 for this year's QB prospects: 1. Malik Willis (Liberty) 2. Matt Corral (Ole Miss) 3. Sam Howell (North Carolina) 4. Kenny Pickett (Pittsburgh) 5. Desmond Ridder (Cincinnati) 6. Bailey Zappe (Western Kentucky) 7. Aqeel Glass (Alabama A&M) 8. Kaleb Eleby (Western Michigan) 9. Carson Strong (Nevada) 10. Brock Purdy (Iowa State) 11. EJ Perry (Brown) 12. Dustin Crum (Kent State) 13. Jawon Pass (Praire View A&M) 14. Jack Coan (Notre Dame) 15. Dorian Thompson-Robinson (UCLA) Solid year to grab a young guy as QB2 to see if they'll develop if you're a team that's already got a starter. Not so much if you're looking somebody that's as close to a sure thing that you can get.
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He also lost his top weapons to the 2021 NFL Draft: 2nd Round: Javonte Williams, RB, Denver Broncos 3rd Round: Dyami Brown, WR, Washington Football Team 4th Round: Michael Carter, RB, New York Jets 6th Round: Dazz Newsome, WR, Chicago Bears To be honest, I expected his numbers to take a dip considering he lost his WR1, WR2, RB1, and RB2 (and all are producing in their rookie seasons as pros). The fact that, while they did drop, he still seemed to consistently perform speaks highly for him.
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Schedule for the HBCU Combine starting today! (on-field workouts tomorrow) Still trying to run down how it's being aired, but will provide a link if able when found Schedule (Tentative) Friday, January 28 AM: Players arrive Administration (Registration/Measurables/Medicals/Drug Testing) Evening Program Welcome Meeting Mentoring Club Interviews Saturday, January 29 On-Field Workouts Club Interviews/Departures Sunday, January 30 Departures