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Considering that I had an absolute blast going back and watching him exclusively for this write up, I'd say I'm pretty damn excited

I figured this was the case, but the rage needs red meat as you can see

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Right? It's kind of like how your opinion is unimportant and not worth sharing.

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Dear Dave, Eat at Yama and tell Birdie that I miss him and the family.

Very much intentional. They were banking on Brady's offense lighting up the scoreboard and playing with a lead, which would allow their speed and secondary to make plays while they get the DL after the passer. The theory was that this would result in turnovers, thereby giving the offense opportunities to run the score up until it was time to run the clock out. Unfortunately, they thought they could do that with one competent offensive lineman and one of the biggest QB busts in the last 15 years since Jamarcus Russell.

McAdoo also wanted the Giants to draft Mahomes. The dude sucked as a head coach, but he clearly has an eye for the QB position.

The dude is already 290+ before an NFL S&C program. He's not undersized at all. Hell, Jason Kelce weighs less. Let's not "arm length" ourselves out of another potential All-Pro OL pls.

Imagine if Matt Rhule had Nate Chandler on the roster. Nevermind, don't do that. It hurts.

All joking aside, I'm leaning more towards the team rolling out Ekwonu-Christensen-Elflein-FA/Brown-Moton next season

But he plays guard and defensive tackle too

Pat Elflein starting still?

2 bad players, 2 average players, and 1 good player makes an acceptable OL? That's what the Panthers had the season they went 7-8-1 with a prime Cam.

I recently picked up Michael Lombardi's Gridiron Genius: A Master Class in Winning Championships and Building Dynasties in the NFL and it's been a very good read. The very beginning, he speaks about Bill Walsh and his dedication to culture first. I found that odd, as many talking heads will say that's a college thing. It also makes a comparison to chef's and how all of the coaches, players, etc are the ingredients. When folks go and hire one of those assistants in an attempt to copy the blueprint for success, they're just extracting one of the ingredients. If that "ingredient" doesn't know how to prepare and cook the dish, then you're stuck with disappointment. Was an interesting way of putting it.

It's easier to find 5 players than it is 1? I cannot agree on that at all, and regarding the Browns comment you're only strengthening my point for me. The Browns swung (and missed) on the following QBs in the draft: Brady Quinn (2007 / Round: 1 / Pick: 22) Colt McCoy (2010 / Round: 3 / Pick: 85) Brandon Weeden (2012 / Round: 1 / Pick: 22) Johnny Manziel (2014 / Round: 1 / Pick: 22) Connor Shaw (2014 / UDFA) If we're talking about avg QBs w/ above avg OLs... where are the avg QBs on that list? They're all dumpster fires. Just like how having a great QB with a dumpster fire OL doesn't lead to sustained success. I felt better rebooting the QB position with the original plan where we would have freed up $21M in cap space by cutting Bridgewater rather than committing $19M of it to Darnold. Instead, they cycled the position as suggested and now we're left with the guy that went #3 just a few years ago while we pick #6 now.

The veteran guard market is a small blessing. Weak C market too

Oh, is that a MASSIVE wall of well thought out and researched text rather than a knee-jerk reaction to watching other teams play in the postseason?

Clausen is a historically bad QB. I'm giving you an equal comparison there. If you want something more along the lines of prime Cam and avg OL, then a better comparison would be Joe Flacco behind his 2012 OL which consisted of Oher, Yanda, Birk, Osmele, and McKinnie. I'll take the Super Bowl winning combo there. You are correct in that the QB is the most important position on the field. I'm also in agreement that the best way to find a franchise QB is to draft and develop one. You're all in on that first part (drafting), but not the second one (developing). In order to develop said franchise QB, they need to be protected. We've seen what happens to young QBs behind bad OLs; they're literally ruined. Bad habits are created and reinforced. Bad defenses force their offenses into predictable play calling situations, which sets the young QBs up to fail. On top of that, what resources does this team have to build the OL with? Are you proposing that the $29M in cap space, with rookie draft picks yet to be paid and free agent holes on the defense also needing to be filled, is enough to reboot the OL?

Put Cam behind an OL of Erving-Jordan-Elflein-Miller-Moton and see how it works out. Oh wait

It means exactly what it says. We had a franchise QB in Cam Newton. The first two season with that franchise QB, he had an OL and set records across the league during his first two seasons. However, a leaky defense prevented the team from being able to make it to the postseason. In 2013, the defense is strong and the OL is solid (Gross-Wharton-Kalil-Scott-Bell) but has question marks on the right side. The team makes the playoffs but are promptly eliminated by the 49ers. They make the playoffs again in 2014 but mainly because the rest of the NFC South blows. The OL? Bell-Scott-Kalil-Turner-Jones to start, but towards the end of the season it was Bell-Norwell-Kalil-Turner-Remmers. They're eliminated by Seattle after beating Arizona in the wildcard. In 2015 when the team had a top 5 defense and an OL with a legit LT? 15-1 (just imagine if Williams had replaced Remmers sooner) and a Super Bowl trip. We see the tired debate of QB vs OL every offseason. The OP lists Burrow and Allen as reasons for going QB at #6, but if you want to talk about how small somebody's perspective looks then take a look at the idea that those QBs and QBs alone are why those teams are currently advancing in the playoffs. Hell, we just watched Mahomes lose a Super Bowl because of a subpar OL. Let's actually learn from mistakes rather than repeating them and insisting it'll be different this time.

No thanks. We already lived through having a franchise QB without an OL and/or defense. When the team had all 3, they went 15-1 and to the Super Bowl. With just the OL, Cam set records his first two seasons. I'd rather have a competent offensive line with an NFL-quality OC in place before finding any long-term solution at QB. I'd also rather have a QB that isn't Sam Darnold starting for the Panthers next season. I just don't think that bringing in a top QB prospect just to change coaching staffs + coordinators the following season does anything to set them up for success. Unless, of course, you want to keep Rhule and understand that the only way he is retained is if he gets lucky on a QB.

omfg if we traded down to #15 and got the #45 pick + Ikem Ekwonu in the process I would do laps around the neighborhood

If Ikem Ekwonu or Evan Neal are there, you draft them to play LT and put Christensen at LG. If neither of them are on the board, attempt to trade down and take either Tyler Linderbaum, Charles Cross, or a QB. Ellis Williams is quickly becoming my favourite Panthers' beat writer since Jourdan Rodrigue