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This. This. This. Last season basically said that Rhule believed he could win now and then with what he assembled. Make him stick to his guns, blow this bih up afterwards, and then go get somebody who's excited to work with a metric fug ton of cap space at their disposal.

I was looking at Spotrac. I think OTC is wrong on that one due to Daley being in the final year of his rookie deal. 6th round guys get just shy of $1M in their final year.

I was gonna say... the numbers, circumstances, and play on the field couldn't make that comparison look more lazy and uninformed. Two completely different players and evaluations.

Dennis Daley is due $996,838 with a dead cap number of $31,838 and Sam Franklin's dead cap is $15k. Not much of a difference for Franklin but def a pretty big discrepancy for Daley.

Unfortunately, I think the only player on that list that won't return to the team next year is AJ. Hopefully the ones that started won't again at least.

ngl, the "big school bias" question was a little off putting. Most lists don't even have HBCUs and I've got Aqeel ranked at #7 ahead of Carson Strong who most people are including in that list of top 5/6 QBs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm missing a few folks tbh. Skylar Thompson out of Kansas State declared for the draft on Twitter about an hour ago. Several other Srs are opting to return to school or enter the transfer portal. Still waiting to hear if Cole Kelley or Zerrick Cooper are going to declare. The big school QBs didn't so much get there because of their competition but for how they played against stronger competition (while also trying to understand what went on before getting to watch the actual game to see if the eyes match the numbers). I also try to look at common opponents as well as head-to-head match-ups if at all possible. But yea, if I were just going for competition I'd have gone with Corral over Willis (which, btw, was actually the call that I almost made but Willis' arm talent helped win me over for better or worse).

Sonuvabitch. I completely forgot about Anthony Brown T_T

Still got a metric fug ton of snaps to watch, but after spending most of the downtime from getting my booster by stats diving and numbers crunching I've finally got a preliminary top-15 for this year's QB prospects: 1. Malik Willis (Liberty) 2. Matt Corral (Ole Miss) 3. Sam Howell (North Carolina) 4. Kenny Pickett (Pittsburgh) 5. Desmond Ridder (Cincinnati) 6. Bailey Zappe (Western Kentucky) 7. Aqeel Glass (Alabama A&M) 8. Kaleb Eleby (Western Michigan) 9. Carson Strong (Nevada) 10. Brock Purdy (Iowa State) 11. EJ Perry (Brown) 12. Dustin Crum (Kent State) 13. Jawon Pass (Praire View A&M) 14. Jack Coan (Notre Dame) 15. Dorian Thompson-Robinson (UCLA) Solid year to grab a young guy as QB2 to see if they'll develop if you're a team that's already got a starter. Not so much if you're looking somebody that's as close to a sure thing that you can get.

He also lost his top weapons to the 2021 NFL Draft: 2nd Round: Javonte Williams, RB, Denver Broncos 3rd Round: Dyami Brown, WR, Washington Football Team 4th Round: Michael Carter, RB, New York Jets 6th Round: Dazz Newsome, WR, Chicago Bears To be honest, I expected his numbers to take a dip considering he lost his WR1, WR2, RB1, and RB2 (and all are producing in their rookie seasons as pros). The fact that, while they did drop, he still seemed to consistently perform speaks highly for him.

Schedule for the HBCU Combine starting today! (on-field workouts tomorrow) Still trying to run down how it's being aired, but will provide a link if able when found Schedule (Tentative) Friday, January 28 AM: Players arrive Administration (Registration/Measurables/Medicals/Drug Testing) Evening Program Welcome Meeting Mentoring Club Interviews Saturday, January 29 On-Field Workouts Club Interviews/Departures Sunday, January 30 Departures

Legit surprised. I assumed that Rhule was just going to promote his ST coach from Baylor that's the assistant now to full-time ST coach.

Another comparison: both played a ranked Wake Forest in 2021. Pickett: 20/33 (60.6%) for 253yds, 2 TDs, 7.7 Y/A, 6 rushing attempts for 20yds (3.3avg), 1 rushing TD, 1 fumble Howell: 16/26 (61.5%) for 216yds, 1 TD, 8.3 Y/A, 21 rushing attempts for 104yds (5.0avg), 2 rushing TDs, 0 fumbles Howell had the higher completion percentage, more total yards, equal total touchdowns, better rushing average, higher Y/A, and less fumbles. I haven't gotten to watch as many of Howell's games as I have Pickett (1v4), but I'm already leaning towards Howell being the better prospect. Not saying that either are worth #6, franchise guys, or even sure fire busts. Just my own personal ranking(s) explained.

@ShockerGot back to the desktop and was curious about Howell's numbers vs. top-25 opponents He's 5-8 vs. top-25 opponents, 2-6 vs. those same opponents that were still ranked at the end of the season (same as Pickett). In those 2-6 games, he's 140/220 (63.6%) for 1812 yards, 12 TDs, 4 INTs, 8.3 Y/A, 109 rushing attempts for 358 yards (3.3avg), 2 rushing TDs, and 1 fumble. With the same record under the same parameters, Sam Howell has a slightly higher completion percentage (63.6v50), more passing yards (1923v1368), triple the passing TDs (12v4), half the INTs (4v8), higher Y/A (+2.8), almost five times the rushing yards (and average rushing yards) (358v85), the same amount of TDs (2), and a fourth of the fumbles (1v4). Even if you add those two 2021 games for Pickett, , Howell still has the better completion percentage, more passing TDs (12v8), half the INTs (4v8), higher Y/A (+2.3), almost triple the rushing yards (and rushing average) (358v120), and a fifth of the fumbles (1v5).

I've almost finished my Pickett evaluation and am working on Howell next followed by Willis, Ridder, Corral, and Strong in that order. Part of me really wants to check Brock Purdy out as well.

AY/A = Air Yards / Average Y/A = Yards / Average AY/A is basically the average distance their passes travel through the air. If a player has a very high Y/A vs. a very low AY/A then they are likely benefitting from playmaker more than actually being the playmaker themselves. There is a whole thread where Pickett's hand size was discussed. Not at the desktop atm, otherwise I'd link it for you to save you the time searching. I didn't take his stat line from his 10 worst games. I took his stat line from the 10 games he played in college where his opponents were ranked not just when they played but at the end of the year itself. That's isolating his games against top opponents, not cherry picking. This has been a calm exchange so far, so let's keep it that way rather than tossing accusations instead of addressing the argument.

You're looking at average air yards there, not average yards. His AY/A was 9.7, but his Y/A was 8.7. He definitely looked deeper this year, especially considering that his AY/A were 7.3, 6.3, 6.3, 6.8 prior to the 9.7 jump. The Herbert stat you looked at for 8.1 is actually 9.0 when comparing the same stat. Herbert's numbers are consistently higher than Pickett's despite Herbert playing in a system where he didn't often push the ball deep downfield. The hand size isn't an advanced metric, but it is another ding against him. The hand size concern correlates to his propensity to fumble, which he averaged once every other game. During the same time span in the pros, Russell Wilson averaged a fumble once every four games (and he's got 10.25" hands). This is a much different issue than arm length, which can be compensated for with quick feet. Some more metrics, basic or advanced, that hurt him: While he's 13-10 vs. top-25 opponents in-season, he's only 3-7 against teams that remained ranked at the end of the season His combined stat line from those 10 games is: 183/302 (60.6%) for 1,923yds, 8 TDs, 8 INTs, 6.0 Y/A; 92 rushing attempts for 120 yards (1.1yd avg), 3 rushing TDs, 5 fumbles. That averages out to a really bad stat line on a per game basis. Before 2021, he was 2-6 with the following stat line: 138/230 (60%) for 1,368yds, 4 TDs, 8 INTs, 5.5 Y/A, 79 rushing attempts for 85yds (0.6avg), 2 rushing TDs, 4 fumbles

A/Y especially stood out (7.3yds career) as it showed he was looking short more often than not. Hand size is a concern (8.25"). He's essentially a one year wonder at the position when looking at his stats. Watching him play though, you see him taking his shots deep, but his WRs often have to slow down (or even turn around) for the ball when he's going deep. The ball doesn't leap out of his hand either. Very much a touch passer from what it looks, but watching some of his senior year games he was most definitely looking deeper (also seen by his 2021 8.7 A/Y). His TD:INT ratio was also fairly suspect. He more or less exploded during his senior year and that's going to be a huge concern for evaluators.

Players attending tomorrow's HBCU Combine: Dee Anderson, TE, Alabama A&M Aqeel Glass, QB, Alabama A&M Ezra Gray, RB, Alabama State Felix Harper, QB, Alcorn State Juwan Taylor, DS, Alcorn State Solomon Wise, OLB, Alcorn State Josh Wilkes, WR, Arkansas Pine-Bluff KeShawn Williams, RB, Arkansas Pine-Bluff Untareo Johnson, OLB, Bethune-Cookman Jamal Savage, OT, Bethune-Cookman Trey Gross, WR, Delaware State Kwannah Kollie, WR, Delaware State Elvin De La Rosa, DS, Fayetteville State Keyshawn James, DE, Fayetteville State Antwan Collier, DS, Florida A&M Keenan Forbes, OG, Florida A&M Shemar Bridges, WR, Fort Valley State James Fagan, DT, Hampton Jett Duffey, QB, Hampton Keith Corbin, WR, Jackson State Kingston Davis, RB, Miles Jerry Garner, OLB, Mississippi Valley State Juwan Carter, QB, Norfolk State Chris Myers, OLB, Norfolk State Korey Banks, WR, North Carolina A&T Ron Hunt, WR, North Carolina A&T Jah-Maine Martin, RB, North Carolina A&T Jawon Pass, QB, Prairie View A&M Chad Gilchrist, ILB, South Carolina State Zafir Kelly, DC, South Carolina State Will Vereen, WR, South Carolina State Marquis McClain, WR, Southern Ladarius Skelton, QB, Southern Cam Durley, OT, Tennessee State Cory Rahman, DS, Tennessee State Jonathan Giles, WR, Texas Southern Jeff Proctor, RB, Texas Southern Will Adams, DS, Virginia State Javon Frazier, OLB, Virginia State Zachary Wilcox, OT, Virginia State

January 28th: HBCU Combine (University of South Alabama, Mobile, Alabama) February 3rd: East-West Shrine Bowl (Allegiant Stadium, Las Vegas, Nevada) 5th: Senior Bowl (Hancock Whitney Stadium, Mobile, Alabama) 19th: HBCU Legacy Bowl (Yulman Stadium, New Orleans, Louisiana) March 1st - 7th: NFL Scouting Combine (Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Indiana) 8th, 4:00pm EST: Franchise Tag deadline 14th, 12:00pm EST - 16th, 4:00pm EST: Legal tampering period for UFAs 16th, 4:00pm EST: 2022 League Year + Free Agency begin 27th - 30th: Annual League Meeting April 18th: Offseason workouts begin (4th for new head coaches) 20th: Last day to bring prospects on-site 22nd: RFA offer sheets deadline 27th: Last day to interview prospects 28th - 30th: NFL Draft (Las Vegas, Nevada)

TBK rooting for a team that isn't the Panthers? Glad to see that some things have never changed

Imagine the shock of incompetence going from Belichick to Rhule

Malik Willis and Sam Howell have been so difficult to evaluate. The stats uplift Howell and bury Willis, but watching the game itself uplifts Willis while burying Howell. Pickett and Corral are in a similar boat for me. Advanced metrics don't look great, but on the field looks much better.

I can't help but wonder if some of the posters in this thread patronizing others over the Saints use of voidable years also think that NFTs are a good idea.

Remember the last QB prospect that we had the tiny hands discussion about? Jimmy Clausen fwiw, Pickett looks much better than Clausen but unfortunately with the same amount of arm strength. His aggressive tendencies are going to get him into trouble in the pros as those windows are much, much tighter to fit into. Also, the concerns with hand size for a QB are the aforementioned ability to throw a tighter (and therefore farther) spiral as well as concerns with ball security. The thought is that of all players, the QB is the one most likely to be running with the ball hanging from one hand while he's still looking to throw it. You don't want the slightest impact to jar that ball loose. With that said, Kenny Pickett averaged a fumble every other game in college with 8.25" hands. Russell Wilson has 10.25" hands and averages a fumble every 4 games in the pros.