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My bust, Giants were on the 10th Still, he had been back and you were calling to get rid of him so why are you asking who wants to?

November 13th That was after: Return vs. DEN Win over NO Win over NYG Losing 30-27 to KC after the defense let Mahomes walk downfield

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Good Lord man Now we're not allowed to compare Bryce to other QBs selected #1 overall? Who are we allowed to compare him to aside from Aidan O'Connell?

Couldn't agree more with the first paragraph. The way that guys like Moon, Young, Vick, and Cam played revolutionized the QB position from being a position that was just another part of the rushing attack to being the passing attack for a team to now being a hybrid of the two. That's why I think that it's a disservice to them to not look at the way a QB's legs affects the field and while Bryce isn't a threat to burn the field taking it to the house or steam roll a defender, it's also not reasonable to deny that his scrambling ability is better than his peers. He's not exactly going to be taking a defender out of the play because they have to leave a spy on him like you're saying, but he's also going to take advantage of that when a play breaks down like we saw vs. Arizona.

While not my favorite per se, the Nakamura judo throw vs. one of the ATL players was fuging hilarious

Sam went through absolute Hell and ended up in such a great situation for himself. Sitting and learning while with Kyle Shanahan and now working with Kevin O'Connell? Feels good man.

Look bubba, you're the only one here that seems to have access to the rulebook on what stats we can and can't use, which QBs we can and can't compare, when we're allowed to be excited about a player's performance, etc etc. Whenever you wanna upload that for the rest of us, pls do

What does that have to do with the validity of rushing TDs being included for one but not the other? Do Cam's passing TDs not count because his success depended on his physical athleticism that made him a running threat?

Hi, Teddy fan here. Yes.

It's difficult to believe fans when they say that they want Bryce to succeed only to see them do everything they can to dismiss, diminish, invalidate, etc any supporting evidence that he's capable of being a quality NFL starting QB.

We have gone from "rushing TDs have to be included for the Panthers' starting QB" to "rushing TDs don't count for the Panthers' starting QB."

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Are any of the RB prospects known for their pass protection + ability to catch out of the backfield? Make them a north-south bruiser and hell yea use a pick! But I don't think spending an extra $1M - $2M on a 1yr vet rental is that big of a stretch. There are contract reconstructions that will be happening to open up more cap space to where just $2M shouldn't be a backbreaker.

I can understand an argument over the quality of the weapons when all was said and done but it's hard for me to agree with the idea that the team sat by and did nothing as we have seen expressed here a time or two. 2014 they spent a 1st round pick on a WR who had a successful rookie season. Nobody could have guessed that he'd tear his ACL in 2015 and then lose his mind in 2016. In 2015, they went and spent a 2nd rounder on a more athletic big bodied WR that just never really panned out. 2017 was when they picked up CMC + Curtis Samuel. 2016 is really the only season where there's a legitimate argument that nothing was done for Cam. The team went and had a draft where the only hit was Bradberry and then lost Oher to start the season. Between that and KB losing his mind, it was all downhill from there.

That season was Michael Oher, not Byron Bell. Oher/Norwell/Kalil/Turner/Remmers was a damn good line minus Remmers starting

I think that the "Cam didn't get any weapons!" narrative came from the 2015 season when KB was expected to build upon a 1,000-yard rookie season only to tear his ACL early on and eventually wash out of the league. Funchess was taken to develop into WR2, but imo he never amounted to much of anything compared to LaFell who went to NE and still had a moderately successful career. Follow that up with 2016 where they tried to essentially run it back without any real upgrades (and arguably one of the worst drafts in franchise history) and you've got a bunch of unstable people looking for a scapegoat to blame. 2017 they went and got him CMC + Samuel and then added DJ Moore in 2018. At that point, his shoulder was dust.

2011: DWill, JStew, Olsen, Shockey, Agent 89, LaFell 2012: DWill, JStew, Olsen, Agent 89, LaFell, Tolbert 2013: DWill, JStew, Olsen, Agent 89, LaFell, Tolbert, Ginn 2014: DWill, JStew, Tolbert, Olsen, KB, Cotchery 2015: JStew, Tolbert, Olsen, KB (injured), Funchess, Ginn, Cotchery (caught it) 2016: JStew, Tolbert, Olsen, Funchess, Ginn 2017: JStew, CMC, Olsen, Funchess, Samuel 2018: CMC, Olsen, Torrey, DJ, Samuel, Funchess

Josh Allen is also in his 6th season which is drastically different from a rookie QB. That's worth considering, isn't it?

Would save maybe $2M at the most, which I'd be okay with. Would have a lot more trust in the vet in pass pro situations.

No brainer to take the option. He's been steadily improving. If he continues to develop, get that second contract figured out and let's move on to the next roster spot!

The amount of players that this rings true for...

I'd rather bring in a one-year vet rental, see how JB's knee heals over the course of the year, and then make a decision on whether or not to draft one in 2026. Then again, if the Panthers are sitting there with a lot of their needs met and there's a high quality talent that inexplicably fell...

This takes me back to an earlier question I asked in-season that I never got a response to (from others): what exactly is the threshold, stat-wise? Bryce didn't average 60% & 200yds passing the last two games, but he was a big reason why the team won one of them and gave them an opportunity to stay in the second one. Bryce was pressured on nearly 70% of his drop backs vs TB but he's expected to put up 300yds... ? Meanwhile, Chuba averaged 6.1ypc vs. Arizona on 25 carries while Bryce was 17/26 for 2 passing TDs, 1 rushing TD, no turnovers, and 68yds rushing for a 107.5 RTG/80.6 QBR... but because he only threw for 158yds in a win we don't toot the horn? The man had three total TDs for crying out loud!

On the flip side, if those limited stats were accumulated via great plays, willfully dismissing them isn't much to denigrate about either.