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Good point. I bet that's how they sold it to the league. That returning for that game would be good for the league. BTW, when I say "I bet" that's what they did, I hope it doesn't get me suspended.

And just a cool reminder: Do you remember the horrible feeling as overtime #1 was ending and we couldn't do anything on first or 2nd down. It just had the feeling that we were going to have to punt it back to them. Instead, X-CLOWN!

By best friend and his wife lived with us then. I was yelling so much that she (totally uninterested in football) started watching. You know the up and down emotions that you had during that game. Going through them while seeing her get just as excited about it was really cool. Not just that she wasn't a Panther fan. She didn't even like football but LOVED/HATED/LOVED that game.

That was a fun one! Before the game, Falcons forum was talking so much trash about Cam and saying Matt Ryan was so much better of a QB. It was fun afterwards to say "Yeah, I guess you're right. After all, Matt did score just as many points for the Panthers as Cam did."

Might've been. It was the home game. So, I may have right year/wrong game from the one you were speaking of.

I can't believe I didn't think to include your #3 game in my list. Awesome! I still wish I could find the video from the last play of Charger fans at home so excited, then so deflated with that walk-off TD. Also, I got to attend your #8 game. By the end, I was actually hoping the Falcons would get the ball more because I was so enjoying TD and the D beating up on Michael Vick. If you're speaking of weird ones, you gotta include Jake's butt hanging out when he tore his pants but still finished the drive with a TD.

Good call! Just like we got Chucky fired, sweeping the 49ers basically got Seifert fired. Little did me know that would come back to bite us in the butt. Though I guess we have his claim to fame bringing in Smitty and his claim to shame getting us Pep.

Here are the top 10 games I go back and watch in order of preference: 1. X-Clown 2. X-Clown 3-7. X-Clown: There is nothing you could ask for that this game didn't have. Incredible defense, incredible offense. The most nerve-wracking game I've ever seen. A fluky 'JAKE! what the heck are you doing?' fumble that ended as a Moose TD. A comedy of penalties that just kept moving us back and back, and then it was, oh yes, back again. A devastating last-minute Rams comeback. Horrible coaching decision. Missed sudden death FGs. And this doesn't even come close to describing it all. Then there was the greatest play in Panther history. "IT'S OVER! ... IT'S OVER!" 8. 1996 Steelers game. (For those that mentioned this one, shame on you for not speaking of the greatest highlight: Cowher holding back laughter while the refs decided whether to penalize Sir Purr.) 9. 2005 playoffs against the Bears that had beaten us earlier in the year and were so cocky sure they were going to easily get by us again. (This is the game that Smitty shared the cool secret about during the game Saturday. The play that set the stage and let the Bears know hibernation time was coming. What we all thought was an awesome pump fake was actually Jake trying to throw where Smitty was supposed to be on his hitch route. But Tillman was ready for it so Smitty took it upon himself to head to the endzone for the "That guy thinks he's gonna tackle me. I'll just slam on the brakes and let him fly on by" TD. 10. Wow. Gotta pick between (a) "You've been watching film, too, huh? That's cool. Watch this!" (b) "Ice up, son!" (c) the day some unintelligible Cajan came it at halftime (d) the rain game (e) Seahawks playoffs [that we won. God! Not the other one!] (f&g) Cowboys playoffs and (h) the game that got Chucky fired.

All in all seems like a good day. The team stood up for CMC. WIN Someone pushed a Patriot but gave him a soft landing spot. WIN The fat woman got the most action she's likely had in a while. WIN When asked about the the limp, she gets to say, "Yeah, it's an old football injury." WIN

The good news is we've had tons of those preseason super-receivers. Hopefully he'll just be another of those.

In fairness, these guys are literally the best competitors in the world. They are actually professional competitors and they got to where they are because they have always thrived at competing. They excelled at competing against other teams. They excelled at competing against anyone who wanted their spot on the field. They are paid millions to be the best. It's hard to imagine that any of them would not do better with competition. Also, I don't know a number but I'd guess I've heard a couple hundred times as players, coaches and GMs have said "Competition brings out the best." How many times have you heard any of the approx. 2000 players, coaches, GMs say, "Competition is unnecessary," or "We traded him because the competition was stealing our guys reps and we thought that was bad"? OBJECTION! Your Honor, Mr. Scot can't possibly answer what 2000 players would think. Furthermore, I recommend that the question be stricken from the record and everyone just agree that coffee is right and brilliant.

Mr Scot, you and I had a cordial and enjoyable disagreement in another thread. With the same spirit, I'm going to answer these comments. Bear in mind that I don't disagree about Rhule. I'm just not at the point that I agree yet either. I think there are circumstances that force me to go into year three with an open mind.

Your wisdom is unparalleled.

The "DJMoore Breaks ..." part of that nearly gave me a heart attack.

Thanks! Didn't know that about him.

And I don't know that story so please tell.

So he wins it right there, right?

Yeah, but wouldn't you still put Polian first?

No, I'm not saying he's the best. Just that' I'd still put him ahead of Gettleman. But our list to choose from is for the most part is "Who's the least of the evils?" I think I'd go: Polian Fitterer (still too early to place him here but I like his drafts and I like that he's in on all the deals. He put too much trust in Darnold but I understand trying it and don't see much in the way of other options that he should've tried. I'm glad he didn't draft one of last year's rookies.) Hurney Gettleman Capers Seifert

It almost feels I'm cheating to say Bill Polian. I know Hurney had his major flaws, but I like his flaws better than Gettleman's.

I apologize. It appears I accidentally hijacked the thread. I'll just say this: I think we are looking at it from two different perspectives. I agree with you that those players are not JAGs, so I see your point. I hope you will see mine as well. Those same players were mostly short-lived patches while practically every position overall weakened during Gettleman's time here. Oher, for example was wonderful that one year as you said. Overall, would you really classify his time in Carolina as a success? How was the position of LT during and after Gettleman's term? Holding on to Oher for waaaaay too long directly led to a terrible, desperate and horribly expensive decision to bring in Matt Kalil. He made the tough decision to let Smitty go, but what did he do to shore up the position. He made the tough decision to let Josh Norman go and then we had to practically waste a draft to try and fix it while starting an all-rookie CB crew. So, yes, I see your points. They are good points and I'm sure you can bring up more good points. But overall, I just cannot agree that he was the best GM we've had.

"I'd buy that for a dollar."

I agree that it's a bigger drop-off from a star to a JAG than it is from a JAG to a JAG.

Disagree wholeheartedly. He rode the Hurney-built team to the Super Bowl and milked it for everything he could. Other than that, his claims to fame were "making the tough decisions." What that actually translated to was dismantling a team by getting rid of stars without replacing them AND without fixing cap woes.

I did not want this trade. But if I'd known the price I'd have been all for it as a "why not?" situation. Seems the ones upset about it are worried about purgatory. In other words, if it isn't the ideal solution, they'd rather have it be bad enough to get a new coach and better draft pick to use on another rookie QB. If this doesn't work, I still don't want us to be bad. I want us to win enough games that next year's Brady/Watson/Wilson thinks: "This team is just a QB away. I'd be willing to go there."