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I agree, I was thinking about it today and I think everyone is overthinking this, I wouldn’t necessarily say I’m a Bryce Young fan, (I don’t dislike him either) but sometimes the best answer is the simplest one, all last year we heard how Bryce Young was going to be hands down QB1 this draft class and nothing has really changed since then. it always seems like every year there is a consensus no 1 pick at QB, then suddenly some wild card, dark house QB appears out of nowhere to challenge that. Best example was RGIII When Luck was the consensus no 1 and how some were saying at the time RG3 should be in the discussion at no 1. TLDR, stop overthinking and just take the consensus no 1 guy this whole time and keep it simple
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If there is one GM in the entire league who wouldn’t buy into the whole “shorter QBs are risky and can’t be NFL QBs” Narrative, it’s Fitt, who was with Seattle during the Russell Wilson glory days and likely had a hand in drafting him. Knowing that Fitt is building this team like that Seahawks team was built.. (invest heavily in the secondary with a stout run game and multi dimensional QB) Then he will have no hesitation at all to pull the trigger on Young who shares extremely similar skill set, play styles and size to Russell Wilson. We have the O line to protect Young to greatly lower his risk of injury and you have to imagine Fitt is itching to draft his next Russell Wilson.
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Brugler: Next year's quarterbacks "not universally loved"
UpstatePantherfan replied to Mr. Scot's topic in Carolina Panthers
QBs in the draft are a lot like pr It’s a lot like a presidential election, when a candidate announces their candidacy, there is a honeymoon phase where everyone thinks the said candidate will be so amazing and the 2nd coming of Lincoln.. “omg, he is so articulate, well dressed and has so much charisma and is so qualified.” But then the media and their opponents start doing their opposition research and they start nit picking every tiny thing and blow it up out of proportion. “Omg, he actually got drunk 25 years ago at a frat party!! He must have poor judgement, can we trust him with the nuclear codes?!?!” Same exact thing with QBs. A year ago I couldn’t stop hearing how Bryce Young was going to be a savior and the clear cut consensus no 1 overall pick without a doubt, but then as that gets closer to reality, people start taking a microscope and nit picking and now suddenly, he is way too short and way too risky to be a good NFL QB -
Time and time again I keep hearing people and fans say that tanking is only fan speak and players themselves don’t want to tank, are you sure though? I mean if we already had a franchise QB then I could definitely buy that argument. But let’s look at facts, players at the end of the day want to win championships and make a fug ton of money. Do you really think our WRs can do either if they don’t have a legit QB throwing to them?! Or what about a defense who is sick and tired of getting sick and tired of ALWAYS being on the field due to constant 3 and out drives on nearly every first offensive series?! If we didn’t have trash at QB and had a QB that knew how to sustain drives longer than one minute, then our D wouldn’t be on the field all the damn time getting exhausted and worn out by the 2nd qtr. Or how about RBs like Foremam who are asked to pound the rock heart every play, exhausting themselves and wearing down their bodies, hence shortening their careers because there isn’t a QB on the roster that can pass worth a poo. Ill say this, the bottom line is I’m a WR or a RB or a defensive player and I think we finally have a shot at legit franchise QB for the future by taking plays off and helping us lose in order to get said franchise QB, I’m thinking long and hard.
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Official Panthers at Bengals Gameday Thread
UpstatePantherfan replied to Zod's topic in Carolina Panthers
Damn lions just can’t close the door on the pack, fully expect them to fold and Packers to win. We are going to have to purposely lose to them when we play them to snatch that no 2 spot from them. -
Official Panthers at Bengals Gameday Thread
UpstatePantherfan replied to Zod's topic in Carolina Panthers
Lions packers still tied at 0 going toward half time. It doesn’t get mentioned at all but Green Bay is another team we have to worry about in the draft also, you have to think Rodgers will likely retire after this year and suddenly packers will need a QB, if they pick ahead of us they could very well eliminate another QB option for us -
Official Panthers at Bengals Gameday Thread
UpstatePantherfan replied to Zod's topic in Carolina Panthers
Wow, Pinerio is quickly looking like our unsung hero after making us lose last week and protecting that draft position -
Official Panthers at Bengals Gameday Thread
UpstatePantherfan replied to Zod's topic in Carolina Panthers
Short of Peppers, LT or a legit franchise QB, you always take two firsts for a player on your roster if and when offered. Such a missed opportunity -
Official Panthers at Bengals Gameday Thread
UpstatePantherfan replied to Zod's topic in Carolina Panthers
I have to be honest, I’m re thinking my stance on Levis. He has his issues but the upside and intangibles are there. Besides that, we do play the Lions so we do kind of control our own draft destiny there -
Official Panthers at Bengals Gameday Thread
UpstatePantherfan replied to Zod's topic in Carolina Panthers
Making me sick we didn’t take that Burns deal. -
Official Panthers at Bengals Gameday Thread
UpstatePantherfan replied to Zod's topic in Carolina Panthers
As much as I hate to say this, I’m glad this is happening because Wilks just isn’t a great HC and we need a complete fresh start with an offensive mind and if Wilks some how ended up winning 6 games or so, not only do we fug our draft position but he would likely be hired full time meanwhile, Shane Steichen will go be a great coach somewhere -
Quinten Johnston is a 6’4 WR that runs a 4.4 and is drawing comparisons to Calvin Johnson lite, runs great routes, plays to his size and is considered a bonafide first rounder. Him paired with DJ Moore would go together like Peanut butter and chocolate, they would compliment each other perfectly plus finally giving us that big bodied red zone target we haven’t had since Olsen or even Benjamin (during his 1000 yd season that is) But here is where it gets interesting. His QB is Max Duggan and they both play for TCU. Duggan has the size and intangibles, he plays for the same college that Andy Dalton played for (for those of you that keep saying “such and such colleges don’t produce good QBs though”.) And he would be drafted along side his no 1 target WR and teammate in college Quinten Johnston where they already have great chemistry together and played together already for multiple seasons. Not only that but Duggan has improved in all categories that matter year after and has put up great numbers, he is pretty much a slightly younger Hendon Hooker with more upside.. see his stats below.
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I’m not a fan of signing any players to big money contracts unless they are franchise QBs. When players get paid they lose their drive and production falls off big time, or suddenly they become “injury prone.” Think D Will, J Stew, Mccafrey, Beason and Thomas Davis among countless others around the league, Suh, Donte Jackson, even Russell Wilson are others that comes to mind. The best way to build a team is have rookies or Young hungry guys ball out for you for a few years then either A. trade them if you get a good enough deal (Burns) or B. Simply let them walk in FA and let another team dumb enough to sign them to a mega deal and watch them get complacent and not play as hard before signing that big contract.
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Top 5 QBs taken over the last 12 years
UpstatePantherfan replied to Cdparr7's topic in Carolina Panthers
Go look at max duggan’s stats, he has improved every year for the last four years across the board, he has the size and measurable and he plays for TCU which Andy Dalton also played for (for all the “omg, such and such schools produce bad QBs” crowd) plus we will draft his top WR in the 1st who is a bonafide first rounder anyway. I wonder if there is precedent for a QB and WR that played together in college to be drafted together by the same team. -
Another option would be drafting Quentin Johnston in the 1st and then Max Duggan in the 2nd. In case you are wondering who the hell they are. They both play for TCU, Duggan is the QB and he has put up very solid numbers and Johnston is his WR and the top WR in this draft class (6’4 with a 4.40 speed and runs routes really well) Duggan is considered a solid 2nd rounder that could possibly have a first round grade come draft time. I love the idea of drafting a QB/WR combo that already played together in college and have that chemistry already
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Top 5 QBs taken over the last 12 years
UpstatePantherfan replied to Cdparr7's topic in Carolina Panthers
I’ll be honest, I rather keep swinging and sign QBs from other teams until we nail one. I wouldn’t be made one bit if we swung for say a Davis Mills or Jacoby Brissett or some other veteran and just draft Quinten Johnston in the first round. I want a big bodied, speedy WR so bad to pair with and compliment Moore. I’ve been wanting a legit one/two punch at WR since the prime Smitty/Moose days Or if we do go QB in the draft.. Quinten Johnston in the 1st and Max Duggan in the 2nd= profit- 93 replies
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I dunno, I’m just not feeling defense this draft. Don’t get me wrong, I think he will be a great player but I just think our D is pretty stacked already so you have to start wondering about the whole “law of diminishing returns things.” Does adding another stout D player to what is already a strong D really move the needle for this team as a whole?! Personally im starting to get hyped about the possibility of drafting Quentin Johnston in the first round, him paired up with DJ Moore as our no 1/no 2 would almost be like a video game. He is a 6’4 WR that runs a 4.4 and knows how to run routes.
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Will Levis is looking more like Taysom Hill 2.0 and his stock is falling fast. Hendon Hooker I really do like but some on here has sold me on the idea that his his age and the type of offense he is running could be big negatives. Obviously if we land pick 1 or 2 you take Stroud/Young and don’t look back. But what I have seen of PJ and what he would look like getting an entire off season next year to prepare as QB1 has me thinking we just draft Quinten Johnston in the 1st if we fall to the top 10 (6’4 WR that runs a 4.40 and looks Megatronesque) he is projected as the top WR in the draft by far. pair him with DJ Moore with this O line and PJ with a full year under his belt, and you have a beast of an offense.
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Lol the head coach for the Dolphins all looking like.. “Hey guys, welcome to my YouTube channel, today I am reviewing Apple’s new air pods pro, make sure you like and hit that subscribe button.”
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I have to admit, if we win enough games and fall to the top 10 or 12, I would love to nab Quinten Johnston in the 1st as a consolation prize for missing out on Stroud/Young. Easily the top WR in this draft and he’s a 6’4, 4.40 40 time WR. Would be the perfect compliment to DJ Moore and make us unstoppable on offense
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I’m liking our chances against cincy. Looking awful getting blown out by the browns now, they will have a short week before they play us and we will be hungry to avenge the Falcons game. The falcons play the chargers Sunday then us at home on Thursday, we have an excellent shot to be right back and tied for no 1 in the NFCs by next Thursday night.