Ivory Panther

1 minute ago, Jackie Lee said:

This isn't a prediction thread, we've had like 20 of those already

Not sure what u r talking abt…Didn’t predict anything. I’m not Nostradamus. Lol. 
stating Whr I think is each faction stands & Whr Tepper would lean in my opinion (with the majority).

if that’s prediction in ur opinion, I’m fine with that. 

I think what’s happening is that Bryce is currently leading. At least it was before Reich & especially McCown was hired.

Scott & Tepper have been wanting Bryce before they hired Frank.

Bryce is who Scott describes every time he is asked. When Thomas was hired & interviewed, u can tell he described Bryce because that’s who has been the favorite in the building.

they want a point guard. Someone who can be super man when they need to make a play on 3rd down.
 

They want fast processor before & after the snap. That’s a Bryce strong attributes.

Scott’s says throwing & accuracy is not the only thing they are looking for. This is the 1 thing  CJ is ahead of Bryce. 

but I think McCown is making a push for stroud. When breaking down videos before being hired, he picked CJ best game vs GA. There is hardly anything to critic on that game. He clearly loves the kid both on & off the field. Nothing wrong with that. 
 

I’m not sure if Reich strongly leans anywhere yet. He tried to tell ppl not to label him with QB preference. That he had a high grade on Russell in his latest presser. But at the combine presser he stated size was a concern. CJ fits the mold of who he has coached in the past however. Lastly, there are reports he is the one who is high on AR as well. 

i think Caldwell is the wild card. His opinion will be big but I’ve no idea where he leans. 

In conclusion, I think Bryce is the current favorite but if McCown is pushing for CJ. 
Tepper likely sides with the majority.

11 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I honestly wouldn't consider Wentz a bust. Before the injuries took their toll he was MVP caliber.

same with RG3...

11 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

This isn't a foolproof list but thought it was interesting. Some conclusions near the bottom. Some players I was kinda torn on how to rate (ex debatable whether some are considered average or busts)

 

 

2000 (No QBs)

2001 M. Vick (Great)

2002 David Carr, Joey Harrington (busts)

2003 Carson Palmer (avg) , Byron Leftwich (Bust) 

2004 Eli Manning (good) , Philip Rivers (good) , Ben Roethlisberger (good)  

2005 Alex Smith (avg)

2006 Vince Young, Matt Lienart, Jay Cutler (all busts)

2007 JaMarcus Russel (bust)

2008 Matt Ryan (good) 

2009 Mat Stafford (good), Mark Sanchez (bust)

2010 Sam Bradford (Bust?) 

2011 Cam Newton (Good), Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder (all busts) 

2012 Andrew Luck (good) , RG III (bust), Ryan Tannehill (average) 

2013 No QBs 

2014 Blake Bortles (Bust) 

2015 Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota (busts) 

2016 Jared Goff (Good), Carson Wentz (Bust) 

2017  Mitch Trubisky (Bust), Pat Mahomes (great), D Watson (great) 

2018  Baker Mayfield (bust), Sam Darnold (bust), Josh Allen (great), Josh Rosen (bust)

2019 Kyler Murray (good), D. Jones (avg)

2020 Joe Burrow (great), Tua (good), Herbert  (great) 

2021 T. Lawrence (great), Z. Wilson (bust), T. Lance (bust), J. Fields (good) 

2022 (No QBs) 

 

23 busts 

5 average QBs

11 good QBs 

7 great QBs 

Looking in totality the odds of last 20 years of getting at least a good QB at #1  aren't too bad. 

Generally getting the 2nd highest QB in the draft is bad luck...

Maybe this will give you guys some comfort, #1 QB since 2000 has about 12/19 or 63% chance of being average good or great.

 

Where is Lamar Jackson? I thought he was a 1st rounder?

14 minutes ago, frankw said:

Well sounds like you're definitely firmly a believer. That's cool man. The major concern I have is Young's true playing weight. It clearly isn't 204. 190ish at best sounds likely and skipping the weigh in at his own pro day with all the questions about his frame is just weaksauce for a guy who could be the future first overall pick. And I'm just saying but when cringy folks like Ivory Panther who question how cerebral Stroud is are in your corner it's not cute. Check the people around you. Anywho enjoy the draft big guy!

 Bro, u r obsessed with me. I’m starting to be concerned with ur emotional & mental health. 
This is just a blog for fans to give their opinions. It’s not that serious. Not question CJ’s mental prowess. I think he is smart & can read defenses. He definitely not ur typical one read QB from OSU we have seen in the past. I’ve said that many times.

but I think Bryce is on another level in that department & that’s ok too. 
 

I even gave the example of CJ accuracy vs Bryce. When ppl say CJ is accurate, it doesn’t mean Bryce is not, it just mean CJ accuracy is on another level.

like really bro, relax! U r following me on every post. U even bring me up on other ppl post. That’s terribly unhealthy. Like damn! Lolll

29 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Nah, dude. It's the opposite. Stroud lovers seem to simply want to gulp down the Young Haterade with impunity. But I just simply call people on their bullsh¡t. Young's red flag, if you want to call it that, is his size, pure and simple. That's pretty much it. He has been the better QB thus far, and I don't even think that's even provocative. If he were 3½ inches taller and 25 pounds heavier, there wouldn't even be a real discussion because he would be the consensus top pick. 

You keep saying that people are knocking Stroud. Where are all these knocks on Stroud? People generally like Stroud. His Georgia game was excellent. He followed it up (albeit in underwear) looking as smooth a thrower as you'll ever want to see at the Combine--while Young observed--and his pro day. Just because people may mention that he had better receivers last season, or that he hasn't proven to be nearly as efficient when pressured, or that he is not as great off-script as Young doesn't mean that he won't end up being a better fit for us, or QB overall. Only their pro careers will determine that.

People are nitpicking--err, really picking Young's poor little bones ad nauseam based on injury projections, notwithstanding that he's been about as healthy as they come throughout his career. 

You say you'll be happy with either, but it seems like a good amount of your posts are based on low-key dogging out Young supporters for overlooking his size and being in Stroud's "amen" corner simply because of his size (meaning, that he's not a Smurf like people seem to think Young is).

 

 

 

Perfectly said!!!

58 minutes ago, Rubi said:

Stroud put on a show after the draft. The trade occurred 5 minutes after the draft. It must be Stroud. I hope it is. Elite thrower 

They started trade negotiations on Tuesday, stroud threw on Saturday. 
 

he may be the pick, but they didn’t trade because of his combine performance.

9 hours ago, csx said:

 The problem isn't Young, it's you. You are are completely head over heals nuts obsessed with him and live in a dream world you have conjured.

Not sure why me being excited abt a player gets under y’all skins so much.

It would be 1 thing if I was trashing CJ saying is no good at all etc…

i recognize how talented the guy is & will support the team if he is the pick, but I simply think young is that much better & prefer him. 
 

This is literally the place to discuss these things. If u r this bothered, I don’t know what to do for u. 
 

I’m not the one following y’all on every thread to antagonize y’all. If my super for young bothers u, just ignore me. It’s much healthier than getting heartburn over my opinions. 

I like chark but he is been hurt a lot. 
 

OBJ would be nice but I doubt he comes here…

Dhop would be nice but ideally we trade for a younger guy like Higgins or Jeudy we can extend long term…

31 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

“GMs pick players & coaches coach them. That’s the way it is in most organizations from NFL, to NBA etc”

According to you

U r playing dumb…i can’t help u. 

35 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

There is if you heard anyone talking about the QBs in each draft, but keep your head in the sand man, I'm sure that will work out for you in the end.

He is the biggest Young hater.

he is on every single positive thread abt young, spewing negativity but turns around & cries. Lmao.

like u said, they r really sad. 
 

if we draft Bryce, I’m not sure how some of them r going to still support the team. 

1 minute ago, Rags said:

Bro he's talking abt at a dinner table lol

Good point. I read too much into that one. Lol

or was it a double entendre? 

7 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

So if Young is on a different level compared to Stroud mentally.

What would you consider Stroud's level compared to Young's in size?

Stroud is great mentally but you say Young is on a different level.

Young is the furthest thing from having great size, Stroud's comparison there would be like comparing Brady's career to Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell's

There is abt 20 pounds difference between them right now…not that different in my eyes.

I say size wise ur comparison would have made sense if u compared Young at 195 pounds to AR at 244pounds.

but again, size is not my concern. If it is urs, I respect that & understand but just not mine…

3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

So Fitt picked Teddy, Darnold, Corral, and Baker and you are siding with him and Tepp (the man who hired Rhule) over Reich (great offensive coach and former QB) and our QB coach?? 

I believe Rhule made these decisions. Rhule hired FITT & it was reported that he had final say.

I’m comfortable with FITT.

Just now, tukafan21 said:

Mahomes isn't as good at reading the defense as say a Drew Brees is, but I'd rather have Mahomes as my QB.  

You're talking about Stroud as if he's Levis, someone who has questionable decision making in college, but he's not, he's Elite in that area, Stroud is just Elite +1 in the same area.

 

Sorry if I’m sounding like I’m implying CJ is not cerebral. That’s not my issue at all.

i just think Bryce is on a different level. No indictment on CJ.

it’s the same when we talk abt CJ accuracy. It doesn’t mean Bryce is inaccurate, just that CJ is on another level.

1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:

Young should be able to sit at 205-210lbs comfortably eventually 

That’s what I keep saying. Weight is fixable & I’m sure he will. 

Just now, frankw said:

Bryce Young can add 20 pounds of sheer muscle but CJ can't be near as smart of a QB as Bryce lol.

Goddamn ya'll dickriding.

U just complained on another thread abt name calling but here u are…

as I keep saying, u r triggered like u r on ur period my man. Relax already! Lmao

3 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

No it's not, he can add weight, but he can only add so much because he just has a very slim frame to him.  You put too much weight onto that frame and it will affect other aspects of his game.

You can coach up Stroud's mental side of the game, which is where Young is elite.  And as I've said numerous times, we're not talking about a dummy back there who can't read defenses and has a poor mental side to their game (I see you Zach Wilson, Sam Darnold, Kyler Murray, etc).  Stroud is already very good at that, just not quite to the same level as Young.

I think that can be coached up with the right coaches more easily than you can get Young to bulk up enough to protect him from injury.

I somewhat disagree…he can easily add 20 pound of mostly muscle to this frame. Nobody is saying to add 100 pounds.

also, CJ can be coached but I don’t think to the degree of Bryce. It’s all fascinating stuff for sure & I can’t wait to follow both careers. 

1 minute ago, frankw said:

If the QB coach and the head coach have to change the mind of the GM and the owner we're quite possibly doomed regardless. Fitterer is and will always be one of the folks who signed off on the Darnold trade.

GMs pick players & coaches coach them. That’s the way it is in most organizations from NFL, to NBA etc…

1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:

This is what I think too

Honestly if u listen to FITT, u can clearly see Whr his mind is.

i think there are discussions from McCown (strong) & Reich (lesser) to take a hard look at CJ.

when u hear FITT say things like “He held court”, he means Bryce has to do something crazy not to be the pick in his & Tepper eyes. 

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

Yep, that's my concern, the difference is Russ is a tad taller, but a significantly stockier build to his frame, which is my concern with Young, not his height.

I hear that. I’m not concerned abt height at all as he throws pretty well in the middle of the field. 
weight is concerning, but that’s the one physical thing he can fix with time. 

8 minutes ago, Moorgan said:

I’m a Stroud guy (I think) but I like the mentals of Young better. But the physicals of CJ. I wish they were one dude lol.

 When I heard that Reich had been a preacher for a bit after playing football that got me thinking about Rhule and just ugh. Then I heard CJ going out of his way to talk about God and then Reich talking about how the 2 of them talked about faith etc.

 all of that is completely harmless and perfectly normal…or it’s not. I don’t know. But then I hear Bryce talk and I’m thinking I’d rather have this guy…but he’s tiny and gonna get killed.

I just hope that the decision is made for the right reasons and not for anything outside of football. Neither are bad guys off the field so that’sa non issue.

 Maybe I’m going crazy. Idk

This was well said. It’s a tough decision for certain.

for me, QB is primarily mental. When I see who I consider top QBs of all time or even currently, what set them aside, is the mental aspect of the game. 
They are usually not the fastest, the strongest, the tallest. The come in all shape & size but the common denominator is always mental processing & ability to rise to the moment most of the time. 
i think bryce has that! 

3 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I just hope he isn’t projecting Seattle Russ onto Young and that being why he likes him so much

Yea I can see that. And I think that’s exactly what he did. He is far more comfortable with the idea than most would. 

Just now, frankw said:

How many of these just asking questions threads do you need?

We heard you the first several threads you declared you're staunchly pro Bryce Young.

Maybe if u don’t keep replying to every single one of them with ur dislike for Bryce, they might die down faster…lol.

My guy, u r too triggered abt this Bryce topic. Relax!

It’s a blog to discuss opinions on panthers stuff. If u dnt like a subject, dnt comment. 

When u hear FITT say “he held court”. It implies, Bryce is the leader for Carolina & today’s dinner/pro day did nothing to change that.