Ivory Panther

12 minutes ago, Puresteel55 said:

I learned more about Bryce’s dad than I did about what kind of young man Bryce is. This is a scripted and edited production. I would still like to see a relatively recent CANDID interview with Bryce, without Daddy.

I wonder if his Dad joins him for his visit to Charlotte. Like he says, he can’t be in the stands. Interesting.

 

Goodnight! 

7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

English dude.  

I Can’t help u with ur low IQ Frank. Lmao. 

16 minutes ago, Varking said:

Yeah but when you don’t have any numbers to back what you’re saying it makes it hard to trust what you are saying. Is there some metric or is it just your eye test and memory that determined he ran around a ton more this year vs last year?

Just eye test & I understand ur point around data rather than eye test. 

8 minutes ago, Varking said:

2021 - 81 rushes for Young

2022 - 49 rushes for Young

 

Looks like he scrambled more in 2021.  He also has plays where he had 10+ seconds before having to throw this year:

 

Luckily scrambling means more than just rushing the ball for a QB. 

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Where did I say he wasn't a pocket passer? I said that scrambling is a big part of his game. Because it is.

Didn’t say u said that. I said many ppl.

u have been moderate in these debates so my responses are not directed at u specifically, just general perceptions by many huddlers. 

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

But he does run. That's part of my concern. A big part of his game is scrambling around buying time and getting himself into throwing lanes. That tends to lead to more hits. He's similar to Mahomes in that regard. He rarely runs for rushing yardage but he does plenty of scrambling around behind the LOS.

In 2021 he was playing within the pocket a lot more because of his weapons.

in 2022 Bryce scrambled more out of necessity due to less weapons than 2021.

A bit like CJ scrambled more vs UGA?because he played a better defense than he faced his whole career…

I think many ppl only watched 2022 & made up their minds that he is not a pocket passer. He does both! 

Steve smith has made his choice it seems! 
 

More local media predictions.

While we are on this weight discussion, I thought I’d share McCown’s comment regarding bryce core strength.

I think it’s one aspect that hasn’t been talked about enough IMO. For a player with size concerns, he sure breaks a lot of arm tackles unlike Tua for example who has a hard time doing that. 
 

Core strength is something very important & watching Bryce, it’s something he appears to have. 
 

22 minutes ago, Lame Duck said:

Someone shared insight after my post.  It was on one of the scouting reports that said he had recurring shoulder injuries in both years he started.  I mean… he’s 5’10 and most tackles will be in shoulder area.

He had 1 injury on the shoulder.

he missed the rest of the game he got injured in and the following but It wasn't reoccurring.

Anyway, if a "reoccurring" injury is not making him miss major time & he is able to play at high level a few weeks later, I'm good with that.

Playing hurt can be considered a sign of toughness by his peers which helps with leadership.

Btw Stroud had a similar injury in 2021...

20 minutes ago, Lame Duck said:

He missed games in both seasons with shoulder injuries from what I read.

can you share your read with us plz. I'm genuinely curious.

22 minutes ago, travisura said:

I was using what Google told me, which is that Stroud weighed a couple of pounds more. Then I was corrected and told that according to combine measurements, Stroud weighed a couple of pounds less. The spirit of the argument that I was trying to make was that there is not a significant difference in their weight, but yes, I did say that Stroud weighed more before the clarification was made. The spirit of the argument that I was pushing back on was saying that Stroud was "smaller" than Tua because he weighed 3 pounds less at their respective combine weigh ins. 3 pounds is not enough in my mind to claim someone is "smaller", especially when the person who weighs 3 pounds less is 2 inches taller.

I understand your point. 

but to be clear, CJ at 6'3 weighing less than Tua 6'1 makes CJ even less dense that Tua, therefore more susceptible to be "raggedolled" like some were saying Tua did.

But generally, I do agree with you that 3 pounds between the 2 is not that big a deal. 

19 minutes ago, Martin said:

The reported playing weight of Young is ~185 and reported playing weight of Stroud is +220. 

Every player in the NFL is an injury risk due to the nature of the have. Stroud at +220 is more within the standard of current players while Young is an outlier. 

There are no guarantees that one will stay healthier than the other, but purely theoretical it would seem that Young would be at a higher risk, and hence the concerns have been raised by most pundits and our own head coach.

I rather use combine weight than reported weight. Bryce was reportedly 6 feet before the combine...

as far as the combine goes, CJ was 214 pounds then, & lost 1 pound for his pro day. 

220 sounds good, so I'm not sure why a QB would voluntarily lose weight for the combine when his original weight was "ideal"...

20 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

That's a good point.  You don't see nearly as many in college (or maybe I just don't notice).  My first thought was bigger stronger hits in the NFL, but college also has smaller players taking hits so you think it would produce similar results...  Dan Morgan and Luke never had the in college and in the NFL it was an issue.

Yes, I'm researching to see what is the college policy on Concussion with little luck so far.

I know that they have made 'targeting" a big deal. But I'm not sure if they have any type of policy to catch concussions like the NFL does.

I imagine, it will be a lot more challenging due to resources at some colleges...

19 minutes ago, KatsAzz said:

It’s just facts that defensive players will come unblocked at the NFL level.

I fear that Bryce Youngs slight frame will not be able to take hits from 300+lb, free rushers, it is just physics. He’s so slim his collarbone and ribs are at risk every time he takes a hit, especially if he gets driven into the ground.

And if you don’t think teams will happily eat a 15 yard penalty to knock him out for a game/season you should read into bounty gate more.

It’s not like there is a 0% chance he has a healthy career, but I don’t want the Panthers be the team to risk it. There are good reasons his size is unprecedented in the NFL.

that's a legit fear!

however, Bryce has already demonstrated in college that he can take these hits from 300+pounds athletes running free. He did it against TEN for example. 

Does that mean he can continuously take them? I don't know...

But if the fear is that he can't even withstand 1 hit, that experiment has already been done more than once & he passed.

11 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Coaches rightfully look at injury history during evaluations. Obviously, if you have an injury history it's easier to project (or at least imagine) injuries. Injury history is real and not imagined. Projecting injuries based upon size has come to the forefront of discussions due to Young's size, and that is absolutely imagining injuries, which is absolutely a slippery slope, and not an evaluation of talent.

I find it interesting that the debate has moved to a specific kind of injury, once Tua's college injury history was brought into the fold.

So I'm genuinely curious about College concussion protocol. We all know that before the NFL changed its policy due to a law suits, concussions weren't a thing. 

Even with the new policy from the NFL where you have a 3rd party doctor in the stands reviewing hits for potential (I believe) some concussions still go unchecked like the one of the ones Tua appeared to have suffered.

So, I'm curious to know what the NCAA or SEC policy on concussions.

How do they catch them?

are they relying on players to come forward? or team staff to police it?

Unless they have a similar policy like the NFL with 3rd party, for all we know, Tua had already suffered several concussions in college but were never reported by him or anyone.

You can't find something you don't check for, hence the reason, many concussions before this past decade were never reported in the NFL.

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

You've said numerous times you personally are not worried about his size and the issue is overblown. 

It’s not a concern to me.
But I understand it is to many. 
pretty simple concept to understand! Lol

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

But no one is arguing Stroud's size is of zero concern. If Young wasn't in this draft and Stroud was there at his size beside Richardson and Levis then there would be more talk of Stroud's size. But Young is in this draft and his size is of much more concern than Stroud's. Stroud is on the smaller size of "check the box size" for an NFL QB. But Young is waaaaaaay below it.

It'd be like having a 290 pound DT prospect and the fans of the 250 pound DT prospect point to him and say "Hey, he's not ideal size either!" 

Yeah, he's not but he's just smaller than ideal while your guy is "he'll be the smallest guy to ever succeed at this position in the modern NFL" size.

U may not be making this argument on the board but there are many who do! 

So as long as we can agree that he is not, as ur quote says, I think that’s fair. 

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'll say again. We aren't choosing between Young and Tua. We're choosing between Young and Stroud. Tua is just a recent NFL comp for how an undersized QB has been repeatedly ragdolled and injured. Young is a lot smaller than Stroud and has less frame to build on thus were a lot more concerned about Young in this regard than Stroud.

It's really that simple. You're acting like people are treating Stroud like he's Wolverine or something and that's just not the case.

You've said yourself that Young is smaller and thus there is more injury concern there so what are you really even arguing about? You're all in on Young. Cool. But don't get triggered by folks talking about concerns about his size. The concerns are very real

 

I’ll never argue bryce size is not & concern because it is for many ppl. Even though it’s not a big deal to me, I understand folks for whom it is. 
so I’m definitely not getting triggered by that.

What I have explained abt CJ & Tua is pretty clear, so if u don’t get it, that’s fine as well.

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

No one here is acting like CJ Stroud is immune from any and all injury. We're just saying that it's a lot bigger concern for Young both because of his current size and likely future size projections.

This attempted rationale to act like 6'3" 215ish and 5'10" ??? (probably 190ish at best) is the same thing is just baffling.

Never said it is the same thing. That doesn’t make any sense!

Yes bryce should have more concerns than anyone in this draft class or even ever. That’s legit! 

however, if u use Tua as a barometer of size linked to injury & CJ is the same size or smaller, logically CJ should have concerns as well, albeit less than Bryce. 

that’s a pretty easy concept to me.  

1 minute ago, travisura said:

No one here is being uncivil. Your argument hinges on your assertion that CJ is smaller than Tua, and that's just not the case. You're just coping because most folks are worried about Young's small frame and you're trying to conjure any reason you can as to why we should also be worried about CJ.

CJ is not bigger than Tua weight wise & that’s a proven fact!

yes, many ppl r concerned abt Bryce size & that’s just a fact.

yes I believe ppl should be somewhat concerned abt CJ size if Tua size is a concern as the reason for his injuries.

That’s where I stand & these are clear simple concepts to me. You are welcome to disagree as I’m not trying to convince u of anything. 

12 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

You can't critique his boy Young he can't handle it.  

I’m trying to keep it civil.

why is it that ppl can’t disagree here?

I’m making a counter argument which u r free to disagree with by countering the argument. 

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There no double standard. There's more concern about Young because he's a lot smaller than Stroud. This really isn't that difficult.

This is like claiming there's a double standard by claiming a WR who ran a 4.6 40 has deep speed concerns in the NFL but no one is saying that about the 4.4 WR. Well

If 4.3 is what’s needed to be considered a deep threat & 1 WR runs 4.4 while the other runs 4.6, yes, 4.4 WR is less of a concern, but he is still a concern. 

the point I’m making.

1 minute ago, travisura said:

If you're trying to claim that we need to be worried about CJ getting injured because he's a similar size to Tua, then Young shouldn't even be in the question. Young is considerably smaller, and has a smaller frame than both Stroud and Tua. I get it you like Young but come on man if you can't be throwing the "what if he gets injured" stone from within the Bryce Young glass house.

Bro relax!

not saying bryce size is not. Simply saying CJ is smaller than Tua who is the poster child for QB injuries right now, so if size for QB is a concern, there should be concerns for CJ as well. Lesser concerned than bryce but still a concern which I have yet to see.