Ivory Panther

Not saying there are no concerns or shouldn’t be. I’m saying there should also be concerns abt CJ when ppl use Tua as an example of “small QBs” getting hurt because CJ is smaller than Tua. I’m just pointing out the double standard.

I’m not. Just factually correcting his claim…

Yes, until ppl start using Tua as a example of smaller QB in the NFL getting hurt as the reason why Bryce would.

Lol, we all saw CJ combine measurements & he was 214 pounds. He was also reportedly 213 pounds at his pro day. Tua was listed at 217 at his combine. Not gonna use random Google screenshot when combine numbers are officially. Hell I can screenshot Bryce Young height listed at 6 feet, but we all know that’s not true…

I get the “more” concern argument. But if ur solution is a guy smaller than Tua, it doesn’t make sense… that’s why that argument feels bogus to me when it comes to CJ vs Bryce. They are both small anyway, if u compare them to Tua. So if size is a real concerned which should prevent a pick, AR & Levis should be the only consideration logically.

Valid point. here is what I don’t understand however. Tua is bigger than CJ (weight wise), so why is it that ppl who are concerned abt Tua’s injuries don’t seem concerned abt CJ’s injury risk?

Lol

That was a long empty whole lot of nothing u wrote. Lol I said some ppl wouldn’t support our QB the way some didn’t support Cam in my thread. Ppl like u were upset at me for saying it. Now that someone say they wouldn’t, u wanna change the debate to “supporting the team”. That was never the debate. Keep moving if u have trouble with comprehension buddy…

I respect your position because at least you are being honest with how u feel, where many don’t have the balls to do. They only trash Bryce every second they get then follow with, “I’ll be ok with both QBs” lmao. When I made a thread about ppl possibly not supporting the QB we take if it’s not “their QB”, some ppl here were upset at me, as if it was a crazy notion. But here we are...

Very well said! To me on Tangibles it's 50/50 (i'll even give Stroud a slight advantage due to bigger arm). It's the intangible where I'm a bit uncomfortable with CJ but very Comfortable with Young. for instance he lost twice to Michigan who had somewhat similar talent. Yes, it wasn't his fault in either game, but he didn't push his team to victory either. The UGA game, he played a hell of a first half. Marvin Harrison gets injured in the 3rd. CJ enters the 4th QTR with a 13points lead and loses the game. The offense scored 3pts the final QTR. Yes, he did lose his top weapon, but he still had Egbuka, Flemings & the TE with a 13pts cushion. He put them in position to win in the end, but watching that game entering the 4th, it felt like the game was over. UGA was on the rope & somehow came back to win it. Ppl compare CJ's situation with to Burrow as far as having a bunch of weapons & the fact that it didn't stop Burrow from succeeding in the NFL. That's a very fair point! But Burrow put up record breaking numbers when he had his weapons. He won a championship & a Heisman with his weapons. Now, I'll concede that Intangibles are very hard to evaluates, especially as a fan who doesn't get the behind the scene of how the sauce is made. So I could be 100% wrong about CJ's intangibles & the guy is actually clutch in big moment more often than not. So with that, for me, once players have certain tools, a good team situation, which I believe both CJ & Bryce will have in Carolina, Intangibles is what separates their careers. Intangible is the difference between Burrow & Goff for instance. They have comparable arm talent, accuracy, size etc...But they are on 2 different levels when it comes to playing the position even though they both had good teams with weapons.

Yea, as fans, we don't get to talk to these players, so we have no idea what's behind the ears or work ethic etc... So we have to trust the staff to make the right choice. I think it's interesting that many ppl like yourself had Bryce as QB1 the entire year until the UGA. watching that game, I was enamored with CJ as well. He played the game of his life and answered every questions. If you get that CJ for the rest of his career, obviously that is a homerun pick. Can he do it again? I'm sure he can! How often can he do it moving forward, I don't know... So I just can't change my mind over one heck of a performance, knowing that athletes have great performances from time to time.

If that's how you read into it, I feel you. for me, it's pretty clear that it had nothing to do with any combine performance. Pulling the offer was part of the negotiation tactics. if the combine performance was the trigger, the talks wouldn't have started before the performance IMO.

It was in the athletic from April 3rd I believe. Below is an excerpt: Poles took the information with him to the scouting combine in Indianapolis. The Panthers were the first team to reach out. “They were the first ones to kind of kick it off,” he said, “which tells you a lot.” Poles worked out of the Hyatt in downtown Indianapolis, away from the bustle of the JW Marriott complex and where other Bears staff members stayed. He said he “slow-played” things at first, then heard from Fitterer, whom he knew well from their days on the road as scouts. The two GMs met in Poles’ suite as the combine got underway on Monday, Feb. 27. Fitterer said the initial meeting lasted about 20 minutes. He realized fairly quickly he wouldn’t be able to make the jump from 9 to 1 with picks alone.

I agree with this. Crazy that Tua & Teddy are on the same team. It's almost like McDaniel has a type. lol

I think Bryce compensates the lack of elite arm with anticipation and ball placement in short & intermediate throws. when you throw ppl open, you don't always have to drive the ball in. So, I think he will be fine. he has a bigger arm than Tua and he has been doing ok with Tyreek and Waddle this season. I also wonder if Bryce's arm can get stronger. I mean these kids are in their early 20s (except grandpa Hooker lol), so I'm thinking they will get stronger. It feels to me like Burrow's arm got a little stronger in the NFL.

I agree, Mahomes arm strength was actually 1 of the first things ppl raved about before even the play making ability. aside from size (which is not a big deal to me), Bryce's arm strength is his biggest concern. It's not bad (better than Tua IMO), but he definitely has many balls dying down toward the end on long passes. or they look a bit wobbly... Do you think arm strength can drastically improve with more weight & muscles?

According to several reports (including Joe Person of the athletic), the deal started to be discussed Monday & continued throughout the week.CJ worked out on Saturday... I understand the logic of, they traded because they saw CJ workout, but it doesn't appear to be the case since the intent to trade started at least 5 days before he even worked out. On top of it, Fitt & Reich both said the tape was more important than the workouts. So I doubt that the workout was the reason for the trade, although without the insight from Joe Person of the athletic, it would be logical to think so.

So again, tell me why I'm the issue. You are making dumb statement w/o substance. lol (since it seems to get under your skin so much) lmao

Frank is going to one day, finally grow up and use 1 profile like most ppl here. lmao

lol, your answer was that it didn't bother you, which is a lie you tell yourself. also, I don't mind "proving" your point. You & your little clique are so worried about validation, you are afraid to truly express how you feel. Hence, you keep saying "I'll be happy with either" but bash anyone who talks about Bryce. lmao.

lmao. you keep wanting to paint me as a victim when you are the one avoiding simple questions. You can ask a few here, if you come at me, I come twice as hard. No victim mentality in real life or cyber life buddy!

Frank just use 1 profile like everyone else. lmao

You are bringing victim talk to the situation. I'm no victim because again it is not that serious to me. I'm still waiting for you to answer the questions. Why doesn't it bother you that I like Bryce if you are ok with carolina drafting him? Also I hang around because the blog talks about other things than Bryce. I'm a panthers fan after all.

It doesn't bother you but you said I hijacked threads with Bryce content & you are concerned.. so which is it?

I think you are a bit paranoid about the "new profiles". This is draft season & for the 1st time in more than a decade, Carolina is about to take a QB at 1. Of course more ppl want to talk about that. if you go on twitter, you can clearly see there has been more engagement since we trade up to 1. I can't control who creates profiles and comments on my post. Maybe I was over excited when we traded up with the possibility to take Bryce & started different threads, to highlight Bryce. but that doesn't warrant the way you & a few others have been coming at me. I didn't realized the board was full of CJ hardcore who would see my liking for Bryce as annoying because you all kept saying "I like both and I'll be happy with either". So technically, you should have been fine with a hardcore Bryce fan as you like to refer to me. Especially if I wasn't dicing CJ. But that is not you all have reacted. Any Bryce fan on this board is attacked for the most part by the same minority who claim to be "ok with either QB".