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You know I'm not afraid to push back when I don't agree, but this article (and your take) is spot on. I'll lead the riot on Mint St if Scotty F is still there on Jan. 8th

It is interesting that injuries derailed Beason (who was better early on), but somehow TD was better (and had the best part of his career) after his 3 ACL tear...

True... it's crazy b/c I almost forgot Chinn was back. Definitely doesn't fit this scheme. Almost like the deal with Justin Houston. I thought we had IRed him for the year.

Amazing that of all the FA's I can think of we signed, he has probably been the best and he was almost an afterthought. The Rasul Douglas comparison is spot-on...

Good list. I considered all of those except Doug Evans. I had forgotten about how great he was in 2002. I disagree about Josh Norman though. I feel like teams just stopped throwing at him for the most part in 2015 after his incredible start. Appreciate the response!

Who would be your top 5? I'm not being snarky, I simply went from memory so I'm sure I missed some. Kevin Greene in '96 was definitely an omission.

Yep... you're right... I missed this one bad. Definitely should be on this list. Where do you think on the list?

I thought about the 2004 season for Peppers too. Peppers & Kuechly could have probably filled all the spots.

I thought about that as well, and you can definitely make that argument.

I never thought we would long for the halcyon days of Marty Hurney, but here we are. Of all the issues with this team, the first is David Tepper. But he ain't firing himself... All I know is Scotty F better be out of Mint St come Jan. 8th...

In spite of this awful season, Derrick Brown is having one of the very best defensive performances in franchise history. I was thinking about where his performance stacks up against historic Panther performances. In my completely unscientific internal polling, I rate the top 5, but this is by no means definitive: 1) 2013 Luke Kuechly- Won only DPOY in franchise history. Generational season for a generational career. 2) 2008 Julius Peppers- Career highs in sacks (14.5) and FF (5) for the soon to be 1st Ballot HOF 3) 2015 Josh Norman-Consensus best CB in the NFL that year. Wonder if he would have had better late season career switching to safety 4) 2015 Kawaan Short- Best interior pass rusher in the league that season and the best pass rusher season for a Panthers DT 5 Tie) 2023 Derrick Brown- Doesn't have the stats of some of these other performances, but his win rate on pass & run is at the top for DT's and anyone watching the games can see just how dominant he has been. Should be 1st Team All-Pro IMHO 5 Tie) 2003 Kris Jenkins- 1st Team All-Pro. Arguably best DT in the league outside of Warren Sapp There may be some others but those are the ones that come to mind for me. Any thoughts?

Evero is an incredible DC. Look at what he has done in consecutive seasons in Denver & Carolina with terrible offenses. And while personally I don't think this is the worst overall team in history (I think 2010 was the worst talent wise), this team does play the worst complimentary football of any team in franchise history.

2 of the top teams in the NFL are led by Tua and Brock Purdy... I don't think that argument is the slam dunk you think it is. Every single pundit out there said the same things about Tua (probably even more than BY9 b/c Tua was almost out of the league due to concussions), and Bryce has proven himself to be much more durable physically than Tua. It's amazing how the narrative changed around Tua once they gave him legit weapons. No one says he too small now that he has an offensive line that can block and receivers that can get open. And Purdy just fell into the best starting situation in the NFL. I am in no way saying there is not potential validity in your argument, but there is also plenty of evidence to the contrary right now atop the standings in the NFL. Would you not agree or do we not live in the same reality on this either?

One of the greatest coaching jobs in franchise history. Defense has had almost as many devastating injuries as the offense and Evero has kept them balling. They would be getting a lot more respect if the offense did their part (the points given up too are out-of-whack relative to how good they've been overall b/c the offense has constantly put them in bad situations).

On that final drive he absolutely was. You don't know ball if you can't see that.

So you're really just going to pretend that it wasn't a monsoon out there yesterday with a ball slippery as fug with wind gusts... was Ridder slinging it around b/c I must have missed that? Again, and not to be mean, but did you ever play football? Or even any other sport out in weather like that? Cause again, this is completely untethered from reality yesterday. I'm at a loss as to why this should even be a question. Of all the yearlong valid criticisms, this ain't it. BY9 was amazing on that final drive, and we hope we will continue to build off that. Why can't we just leave it there?

What other monsoon game have you ever watched where there was a litany of offensive highlights? Have you ever watched football before this season... I'm not sure how we are even watching the same thing.. and I'm seriously not trying to be mean in this instance... I'm tired of even going back & forth with you, I just don't even remotely understand some of your takes... in particular, this critique right here is completely untethered to objective reality IMHO. Of course, there was nothing pretty about yesterday. The point was that it was an ugly, ugly game where the normal offensive bug-a-boos showed up again repeatedly, but Bryce (and the rest of the offense b/c they deserve some credit too) persevered in the monsoon and came up big when it mattered most. That's sports, at least as I have always understood it. Regardless, I'm done engaging with you on this particular topic. I hope you have a great rest of your day, and I mean that sincerely.

If Fitterer is here after January 8th then Tepper really is going full Jerry Jones and only keeping a token GM to try to insulate himself. I like Bryce and want to see him succeed, but trading up and overestimating the roster he built is a fireable offense, and it better be for this fanbase's sake.

They are insufferable over our rookie QB leading a game-winning drive in a monsoon... think about it... I'm just thankful plenty of other people see it too... this is like the Twilight Zone... Bryce has had plenty of rough games this year, but his overall play was good given the conditions, and that last drive was elite. There's nothing more to it than that, and these "Panthers fans" lose their minds... Make it make sense....

Tepper's going to have to "overpay," but that isn't an obstacle. It really just comes down to picking the right person. Crazy thing is that both of our DC the past 2 seasons have looked like the right choice for the job, only to watch Tepper cling to his fascination with finding the next great young offensive mind...

I guess I'm old and had never heard of copium until a few years back, but damn if it's not a real thing with this younger generation... Imagine looking for negatives after the best game-winning drive (and hell we've only had 2- both by Bryce) since Cam in Philly in 2018. In a literal monsoon nonetheless... There really must be some of you on here who are beyond miserable in your lives... it's figuratively bleeding out all over the pages on this message board. Like honestly to the point I genuinely am starting to wonder about the mental health of some of you... This board has had some down times in the past, but now we've got people actively trolling anyone who is happy about an incredible come-from-behind win... these truly are strange times for a depressed fanbase...

That really is the only pertinent question. The rest makes for good hot-take media, but it's all speculative nonsense.

Fair list. I definitely see Chargers as #1 and Bears as #2 given the draft capital. For #3, that gets a little tricky. I think the Falcons and Panthers are neck-and-neck. The Falcons probably have a better overall roster (especially on offense) but I like our defense and QB right now significantly better. I also don't see Atlanta getting Williams or Maye, so they will still be spinning the QB carousel next year too. However, I don't think any of these openings are "bad." So, so much changes in the NFL on an annual basis. The Texans looked absolutely hopeless last year and are competing for a playoff spot. As awful as this year has been, I've also watched enough football to know that we could easily compete for the NFC South next year (what we were promised this year). I still think the Chargers are in a tier above (b/c of Herbert) and the Bears draft capital and big market make that attractive. The others are pretty closely bunched together IMHO. And in the grand scheme of life, is there a "bad" NFL HC opening when you're going to be making guaranteed millions no matter what?

It makes for compelling radio, especially for his big market audience who loves to think they are the center of the world and everywhere else is meaningless. However, Tepper's money will always make this attractive... "attractive" is a very subjective word there. Just b/c the pundits want to clown on Tepper doesn't mean there isn't a boatload of candidates willing to take one of the 32 highest profile jobs in America making guaranteed millions, even if you have to deal with a meddling boss. Many, many of us do that for far, far less fame & money. I think objectively the Chargers job is better, but outside of that, meh... Tepper's wallets will get us a coach... it's a matter of spending that money on the right coach.

Give it rest... seriously... you've had all season to troll & clown around with all your clown buddies, literally & figuratively while everyone with a an IQ above 100 avoided this place. The grown ups are back... you need to head back to the kiddies tables with all the other hot-take artists... literally no one here with even a passing knowledge of football wants to converse with you or your ilk...