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I felt this in my soul. Good post

Always appreciate your posts!

This isn't about Bryce Young in a vacuum. This isn't really even about BY9 per se. And I don't give a crap about other fans. What I do care about is being able to come to this board and have discourse with Panthers fans that actually have some context & perspective for the things they spew. It's not about agreeing or not. I could come to this board for well over a decade and have that experience. And I disagreed with many, many people. None of whom acted like this current cast of trolls. Now, there are literally people with clown avatars attacking any take you have that isn't overwhelmingly negative... It's effing insanity. And I'd be willing to bet everything I've got the website traffic has plummeted. Obviously, the team's performance is a factor, but there are so many users than used to be regulars that have disappeared from this board. For reasons similar to mine. And dude, I've been a PSL owner for 20 years... trust me, I got thick skin when it comes to the Panthers. I'm just trying to provide legit feedback and constructive criticism about the direction of this message board.

I will say I'm proud to have made it 19 years and never have received a warning before now. Goes to show you where this board is currently at... Measured takes by long-time Panthers fans with actual perspective... Absolutely Not!! Hot-Takes by Literal Clowns... By All Means, Yes!! I've always liked you CRA and appreciated your takes, but the moderation on this board makes no sense to me. Regardless, I do appreciate that you're willing to remain and wade through this cesspool... it's not a job I would want... I guess Jeremy decided this place was hopeless... I do hope once this franchise turns around, so can this board. And I realize being the moderator for a message board for a team like the Panthers that has been godawful for years can't be easy... Hopefully (for all of us), things will turn around, and you will get to be the moderator for a board that means something again. 2015 was insane with the amount of non-Panthers fans coming here to try to talk poo... it's hard to overstate how fun this board was... Now, it's just our own "fans" attacking anyone who dares not be overwhelmingly negative... If this isn't the nadir both for this franchise and CH, I hate to see how much further the abyss can go...

Cmon dude... you've been a moderator for years... You really don't remember the discourse around here in 2017?? CMC was hated by many, many people. Especially after the season Kamara had. Anyone who doesn't seem massive parallels between that CMC/Kamara debate vs. the BY/CJS debate is lying or misremembering IMHO. And to your 2nd point, Bryce doesn't deserve another season? So, the book wasn't written on CMC after 1 season, but it is on Bryce? My avatar is of Cam and will always be. No one will ever take his place for me, but it's insane the number of people activity rooting against this team (and then talking trash to those of us supporting them). Man, I'll take my next month hiatus from this place, but I'm simply astonished at the revisionist history. I miss being able to have even remotely objective discussions on this board. People getting dragged by trolls every single time they try to post anything is exhausting... BTW @CRA, appreciate the warning. I'll see myself out, just like SCP and all the other posters worth a crap who got tired of this cesspool always favoring the poo-slingers... This board allows clowns to troll all day long anyone trying to have reasonable discourse with zero repercussion, but if you push back against this depressing and inane s-show and all the nonsense takes, then it's no good...

I'm old enough to remember the people who wrote CMC off after his rookie season. Was too small, couldn't break tackles. Was a completely wasted pick. Complete bust to take him top-10 when the Saints drafted the OROY (Kamara) in the 3rd Round. We live in a hot-take society. I hope Bryce does better and 100% think he can, but none of us have a crystal ball. Just interesting how things have changed (i.e. CMC vs. Kamara). And it's like that with multiple players. Cam was never seen in the same vein as Andrew Luck of RG3 early on... the NFL creates their own narratives, and many of them outlive their actual truthfulness. It is still wild to me the amount of hate Bryce has received. Let's see what this season brings...

All this talk about Centers misses the point IMHO. We have massively upgraded the overall quality of this unit. That is the most important thing. Other than Icky (who certainly has the potential), every other lineman is a proven starter in this league. So while I understand the question about Center somewhat, to me it's a bigger deal that we are actually putting guys who have proven they can start out there over a wing-and-a-prayer type players like we've seem to have done for many years now. I think the overall quality and depth is much better. They still need to prove it on the field, but I'm not that concerned about moving Corbett to Center. As we gave out over $100M guaranteed to linemen this offseason... that's not neglect.

Worst non-trade in Panthers history...

I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up keeping 4 RB's with the new kickoff rules with Blackshear being the primary KR. Canales has said over and over that he intends to run the ball, and then run it some more. Brooks is the best RB prospect in the class, and it is a need. We may never have a RB quite as dynamic as CMC again, but Hubbard, Sanders, & Brooks is a quality group. We should be able to get production from that group if the Oline does their jobs.

Would have loved to have had him back here (bought his jersey for me and my sons), but just ultimately glad he didn't end up in Atlanta. Reddick is chronically underrated...

Burns is obviously the better player. But in its totality, I'd much rather have Wonnum at this rate and resign Brown to a mega-deal with the Burns money. Much better use of resources. We still need to sign another OLB and probably draft one as well, but this is a good start.

I'm feeling like we have upgraded the run defense with signing Robinson & Jewell, but pass rush is still a massive chasm right now. Hopefully we sign at least one OLB tomorrow

Tackling is what Josey is being signed for. Let Brown & Robinson eat up the blockers and let Josey go to work. Certainly not as versatile as Luvu, but hopefully a great fit for what Evero is wanting him to do in this scheme.

Underrated observation. Tuttle did the best he could, but he is not a good fit for the amount of snaps he took at nose.

100%. And while I wanted to keep Burns (wanted to keep Luvu even more), Brown & Horn are the 2 most elite players on this defense. And Brown is the only one that has been able to stay healthy. Burns is a good player, and the Panthers bungling of trading/paying him is a generational goof, but he's not the game changer Brown (and a healthy Horn) are. Burns certainly does things in spurts that are amazing, and he is a legit pass rusher, but he hasn't been great against the run, and he didn't take over games the way you would hope a guy making $30M a year could.

If Horn can stay helathy 100%. Especially if Horn is healthy and we can put him on an island some to free up blitzers. I know it's hard to be positive about anything right now, and Horn has been injured a lot, but his play last year when he was on the field is impossible to deny. He will be a Pro-Bowler if he can just stay healthy.

And 1c is now pass rush. But we're not solving this all in one offseason.

I like this signing a lot. It really will help Derrick Brown be even more dominant not getting double-teamed every play. Obviously, pass rush is a massive question mark, but in the words of John Fox, "it is what it is." I don't know that we are fixing that in one off-season especially with losing Burns & Luvu

Fair enough, but if enough of us drop our seats, it does become an issue for the whole organization. And this is the level the team is at. I'll 100% still watch the games, but that's it.

I like your optimist, I genuinely do. Probably just getting older and more cynical, but IMHO from my experience in the business world, someone like Tepper will not be able to ever give up control. I'm not even remotely convinced that's the case, even switching to Morgan at GM. I hope I'm wrong.

I agree with you 100% on this point. Still, do you really have any greater confidence they will get this right this time? B/c I honestly don't. Trading away players like CMC, Moore, & Burns for peanuts and then squandering those draft picks (up until this point) has been the "gameplan" so far under Tepper and it's produced the worst results in the league over the past 5 seasons.

Optimist enough to shill out $7k for this team ?

I have avoided most things Panthers-related for months to protect my mental health and sanity. I have watched David Tepper destroy the one sports team I have truly ever been emotionally invested in. To the point I'm not renewing my PSL's after 18 seasons. My sons could care less about the Panthers- I can't blame them. I bought my boys CMC jerseys- gone I bought my boys DJ Moore jerseys- gone I bought my boys Brian Burns jerseys (both 53 & 0)- gone My last name is Thomas... maybe if I buy Ian Thomas jerseys, we'll finally get rid of him??? We been to 25 home games over the past 5 season. We won 5, and most of those were ugly. Many of them weren't even that competitive. I couldn't even bribe my boys to go the games over the last half of the season, and I couldn't even give them away (except for big market games). So much wasted money chasing sunken costs for a team/owner that refuses to reciprocate. And I don't really care about the money at this point, but I have come to the realization I'm just numb after watching this franchise make so many self-inflicted mistakes (and then compounding them). I've also realized as I've gotten older that being good at one endeavor absolutely doesn't mean you will be successful in something else. David Tepper has obviously won at capitalism (and in the financial markets), but it is not an overstatement to say he has been the worst owner in US professional sports since he bought the Panthers. And it's not any one thing- every franchise makes mistakes. But beyond making awful singular decisions, Tepper has doubled & tripled down on every one of them, and here we are. This is light years worse than at the end of the 2001 or 2010 seasons. And this goes so far beyond the on-the-field product. I've never, ever remotely felt this apathetic, and I know I'm not the only long-term & hardcore fan that feels this way. Anyone who looks at my post history can tell I'm generally an optimist and a homer, but I can't feel anything at this point but numbness & apathy. I never, ever could imagine this team being so mismanaged. Tell me I'm not alone. I've avoided the Panthers for the most part since the end of the season, but I looked online just in time to see we let Luvu walk and gave Burns away for a P&J sandwich... it's just too much... the abyss seems to never end... And we haven't even gotten to draft season (where we will be mercilessly- and rightfully- skewered again). I'm just so incredibly tired of being embarrassed as a Panthers fan. Only apathy seems to help at this point, so I should disconnect again. Thanks to anyone who read and please feel free to commiserate...

I just hope we haven't ruined Bryce. Everything this organization has touched over the past few years has went to poo, and everyone we write off seems to do much better once they leave this dysfunction. I just hope something changes

Same here. I love & will always love this team, but I cannot continue to put my hard-earned money into a product that is the worst in the NFL, and continue to support an owner who does not seem to care one iota about the fanbase. "I plan to take it all in, enjoy the moment and bid this team farewell as a year in year out financial supporter of the team".... well said!!