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Overall, I see a potential for improvement in many of those, with a potential decline in a couple. The team exceeded my expectations last year, we'll see.

There was some luck involved: "Oher was rehabbing from toe surgery in the offseason when he received a text from Cam Newton. The quarterback has recruited players before, but not this hard. Newton's brother, Cecil Jr., had played on the practice squad in Baltimore, and he was around Oher every day. They became friends. He knew Oher was talented and professional, and was confident he could protect his brother. Cecil told Cam that Oher would be a key acquisition to the team. So Newton texted Oher, and he didn't just say he wanted him. He said he needed him. When the Panthers signed Oher to a two-year, $7 million deal this past March, the move was widely criticized. Oher, 29, appeared to be on the downswing." Carolina Panthers' Cam Newton recruited Michael Oher to protect his 'Blind Side' (espn.com)

This is where I am, except the part about Erving. Why do you think Erving can be decent, because most describe his play as horrible?

Why do you think Winston is "destined to fail"? ..that comes from you, I didn't say that. No they're set. I know you try to move them, but the thread shows otherwise. Here's what I said: My point is, Winston has had good coaching before, and his ints blew through the roof. Peyton may pull it off. We'll see.

If Sam throws 30 ints like Jameis, hell no...would you keep Sam if he threw a 30int season?

Koetter>Gase. I'm not arguing that any further, it is a distraction from main point. We're discussing if Winston can be coached to better decision making. That experiment has been tried and it failed miserably. Jameis had 30 ints under Arians. Don't blame those 30 ints on Koetter. As for typo's, autocorrects and misspellings, if you are going to correct those here, you're going to be busy.

I'm hoping for a combination to force the D to cover the whole field.

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Well, they appear to be able to coach players up, but there's a limit to it. We'll see.

Teddy fell apart at the end of last season. He was benched the last game Even Teddy says he shouldn't have kept playing after the KC game. His level of play was part of it. He had a career year, and unfortunately, it wasn't very good.

I think limiting mistakes is the foundation of winning games. But you can limit mistakes and still lose. When you are down, sometimes you have to take risks. And a QB knows when to take calculated risks.

He did have good passing and TD numbers. Poor decision making shows up like lightening in ints. Winston had 30 ints in 2019. They had a great defense, o-line and receiving core. Bruce Arians is considered to be a pretty good QB coach. They lost to us on turnovers. Swap out QB's, upgrade TE and running back (late in the season) and you have a SB. It will be a hard case to make that Winston has better decision making than Darnold when Winston had better wrs, oline and coaching and threw 3x the number of ints. But I would love to hear this one. Gase compared to Arians is night and day. Winston already had what many considered a pretty good QB coach. Its possible Peyton can do what Arians can't. I doubt it. Do you consider Gase and Arians are at the same level? For injury PJ will get play. Otherwise, unlikely. Darnold's int rate was below 1 per game. I assume Darnold's int rate will go down.

We have 14mil in cap space Next year we'll have 50mil as we shed 48mil in dead cap. Maybe they were trying to leave space for a Stafford or Watson deal. But having a shitty oline doesn't entice a great QB here. I always thought it was cheap depth. They may have told Erving he was LT, but they knew he could play elsewhere and he would have to compete. Maybe Moton to LT and draft BC to RT was the plan all along. BC, Brown and Moore look like good signings. I could see us actually having 3 rookies on the line at some point this year. No wonder we took a QB who has a lot of experience throwing on the run.

Then its probably a bad plan to discus genitalia with them.

The Eiflin and Erving deals are headscratchers then. They were done early in FA and there were other olineman to pursue, albeit I would assume they would be more expensive, but we have the cap. It makes no sense. Who would choose to actually put these guys on the line? Everyone condemned these deals. These were Fits first deals I think. Rookie mistake?

I'm cool with that. Keeping your powder dry is important. Teddy would smile after a loss and that drove me nuts. Cam was pissed. I want someone at least upset when we lose. I want someone who hates to lose.

Before Darnold, I never really gave as much thought to evaluating players in context like we are doing this year for Darnold. I would not be looking at context if we didn't trade for him. I wonder if the coaches are applying the same logic to our FA Oline acquisitions this year. Eiflin came from the Jets and his pff did decline some when he went there from the Vikings. Erving was drafted into the 1-15, 0-16 Browns before he went to backup roles at KC and Dallas.

I was referring specifically to the ones on the panther beat. That said, it doesn't apply to all of the ones on the panthers and it doesn't exclude other reporters. I agree with you here.

We're a little off track here.

Yep. As long as the oline gives em time.

I know. I want him to play like he looks here.