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Interesting tidbit from the link: " Bridgewater ranked No. 32 in that stat last year"

No he did not.

Cool article, I hadn't seen that one. From your link: "Plenty of successful quarterbacks have been turnover prone in college and went on to have success. Ben Roethlisberger threw 21 interceptions over his last two college seasons. Drew Brees threw 24. Matt Ryan threw 29. Matt Stafford, Kirk Cousins and Eli Manning both had higher college interception rates over their final two seasons than Darnold. The list goes on and on. ....Among qualified starting quarterbacks in 2017, the closest comparisons to Darnold in terms of interception rate over their final two college seasons (within .15%) were Tom Brady, Cam Newton, Carson Palmer, Kirk Cousins, Carson Wentz, Eli Manning, DeShone Kizer, Stafford, and Ryan. All of those players have been legitimate top-ten producers for multiple seasons in their careers except Kizer, and five of them have been to Super Bowls. I also went back and compared the college interception rates (over their final two seasons) of each 2017 qualifying NFL quarterback to see if there was a correlation between limiting interceptions in college and producing at an efficient level as a passer in the modern NFL. There was no relation. In fact, at least in 2017, a lower college interception rate actually tended slightly towards a worse quarterback rating " There's no arguing that Darnold's int% of 3.0 is high. And it may be ingrained and he stinks up the place. But int% change, and it isn't a rare event . Tannehill's ints% were 3.1% and 3.3% his last 2 years with Miami before he went to Ten and they dropped to 2.1%. Bridgewater's int% his rookie year was 3.0%. Last year year it was 2.2%. Brees' int% was 3.0% his first full season. It went to 4.2% his second season. Sam's has never been that high. Channel hopping I saw the NFL channel ran the Jets@Miami 2018 game last night so I watched. The first thing I noticed was the number of bad snaps. I counted 5 in the few series I watched. Apparently there were 13 in that game. Poor Snapping in Miami Sam threw two ints towards the end of the game on 4th on long, trying to make a miracle happen. In one case, the other team would have been in better field position had he just thrown an incomplete. It was a bad snap, he had no time, and the wr's were covered. I'm not saying Sam is guaranteed to ball out. What I'm saying is there is enough evidence to support that Sam might be good. On the Kmart blue light special thing, I have an old radio in my garage I bought in 1980 on blue light special. Its like an old friend.

Wow. PFF really liked Samuel. We went from 8th to 21st when he left. WFT ranked at 20. The article says we have the pieces to be one of the better receiving units, but then ranks us in the bottom half of the league.

21. CAROLINA PANTHERS Panthers wide receivers went from grading 26th in 2019 to eighth last season thanks to the addition of Robby Anderson and a breakout year from Curtis Samuel, who moved on to Washington. Anderson took to a new role as he moved around the formation and lined up in the slot more than ever, responding with career highs in receiving grade at 76.0 and yards per route at 1.99. D.J. Moore had another strong season, this time as a deep threat who ranked fifth in the league with 463 yards on 20-plus yard passes. Anderson and Moore make up one of the better 1-2 punches in the league, and the No. 3 role will be a battle between David Moore and rookie second-rounder Terrace Marshall. Moore has been a good complementary vertical threat in his four years in the league, while Marshall adds another big body with contested-catch ability and toughness in the middle of the field. Marshall came in at No. 28 on the PFF draft board and had the highest contested catch percentage in the draft class over the last two years. The tight end situation was bleak in 2020 as only the Patriots had less than Carolina’s 27 receptions from the position. They also had the lowest tight end receiving grade at 39.5. Dan Arnold brings a big-bodied threat from Arizona, where he caught 32 for 444 yards last season, while rookie third-rounder Tommy Tremble is a fantastic run blocker and a potential H-back who can line up all over the formation. Ian Thomas also returns, though he’s yet to grade above 57.3 as a receiver in his three years in the league. Even with the loss of Samuel, the Panthers have the pieces to be one of the better receiving units in the NFL once again.

Good vid. It should be mentioned the jets never hired a qb coach for Sam. Hard to coach out bad habits if you don't bother hiring someone to do it. Here's a couple more Sam Darnold Playing For His Job - YouTube Sam Darnold (Film Analysis): I Was Horrified By What I Found - YouTube They all pretty much say the same thing. There's potential, there are flashes, the jets supporting cast was really bad.

Based on situation and what I've seen, I give him much better odds than this. A vary depending on the day, sometimes I succumb to the prevailing wisdom here that this reclamation project has long odds. But whenever I dig, I find another data point pointing that this was a good move.

That everyone but you is biased. We all are. Your take also can come across more negative on the team. And that's fine. But celebrating accomplishments does not hinder us from improving. No I don't think that. Tell me about it. Me too. That's fine. I was pretty disillusioned last year, and when the D started to ball, I wondered if this was what Baylor and Temple felt. I was disappointed with the oline FA trades and when they traded for Sam I was like WTF are they doing? Some people posted on here some reasons Sam could work. So I dug. The more I dug, the more I realized that no QB would have good numbers in that situation. Then I watched tape and saw the flashes. Darnold was getting a bad wrap here by some vocal posters, particularly by some mods and regular posters, so I decided to join and share my learnings. Hell no it's not enough. But that doesn't mean you don't celebrate the wins, the slick moves or the progress. We are desperately trying to do that. Gettleman, Shula, Richardson, RR, Hurney, all gone. We have a new QB1, Wr's, TEs, OL, CBs, LB, OLB, Edge, and DT's, most of whom are going to see significant playing time. We are plugging holes but there were just so many. You can say that our bets are wrong, but I don't believe they are stupid, and we are aggressively trying to improve. Tepper/Rhule and Fit agree with you....we have no intention of being the NFL's doormat.

Feel free, not because there isn't anything to be found, I'm sure there is, But you'll have to go back and reread my posts. I'm actually hoping someone does it. How come when you present a view its unbiased and objective, but when I do I'm "squashing dissent"? Unbiased. there it is again. Actually no. Some parents see more flaws in their own kids and some just like to cheer them on. The world needs a little of both. You're the ying to my yang buddy. Good thing we joined about the same time. Realism, there it is again. And no its not too much for me. I rather enjoy it. Ok, now who's too much for who?

Frank, seeing silver linings. I'm so proud of you. I remember a time when you said there were no silver linings. To early. Sam may ball, we don't know who will pop up in the draft, where we're drafting, who will seek a trade and Sam may ball. I know I said that twice. Everyones biased dude, you need to get past that. Hmmm. I know I'm a minority, but PJ wasn't THAT bad. Remove his EZ/RZ ints and you might have something there. I do agree Darnold has an injury history which means our backups are going to get playing time. I'm cool with upgrading there. Yeah, cause the teams that tank just do awesome the next couple years. In my mind, it just doesn't buy you as much as you think it does, especially if the reason you suck is because you can't pick good players. Throwing the last game of the season, I can understand, but tanking? Naaah.

I thought they were swatting flies.

Some of Frankw's posts: On thread with a CMC touchdown: " We got any clips like this from a winning season or no?" "How many wins did the Carolina Panthers have in his 1k/1k season when he had an ungodly number of touches? Losses are losses my friend there are no silver linings. " Other quotes: "I will be here in the fall to collect your tears... " "But homers gonna homer." "Take off the shades from time to time." "There was no rudeness no namecalling so what is your issue?" ---------------------------------------------------------- Dude, you make some good points, you really do. You act like we're all unreasonable and you're Mr. Objective and thats fine. But there's a reason people call you wet blanket, or detractor. Its ok to support our quarterback. Its ok to support the GM and coach. Its ok to support even our Oline draftees. We need critics here, that's great, just don't be surprised if someone calls you a detractor, cause you've done you're share of it. Some of your most positive posts have been about the aints.

Always looking for the silver lining frankw.

And then there's some detractors who won't even concede Darnold>Teddy. No surprise there frankw, no surprise there.

Or exciting. Darnold plays better than Teddy, which even some of his detractors concede, and Teddy was just below average in many categories. As for ints, Darnold's 3% last year was bad, but still better than the 3.1% in '16 and 3.3% in '18 that Tannehill had. Tannehill's is now at 1.5 int%. Darnold doesn't have to get close to that for us to be good. Teddy had a 2.1 int% last year, a very reasonable target for Darnold this year. People seem to forget that Darnold had a winning QB record in 2019, with the JETS and Gase. That year, he had better a QB -record than Prescott, Ryan, Winston, Stafford, Rivers, and our Newton and Kyle Allen. Now that's a ridiculous comparison, I know. But see how much situation matters? Sam may fail, but I wouldn't say the odds lean overwhelmingly that way. You don't have to have rose colored glasses to see that Sam could work, there's plenty of data to support it. He has definite flashes on film. The Bucs stood still and it looks like aints and birds took a step backward. I think we changed radically for the better.

I agree with most of these moves from the current vantage point...but I reserve the right to change my mind. Players we expect to do well may decline and unexpected players may impress. We don't know where we're drafting at or what will be available. In 2014 we were 7-8-1. The NFC south was considered the worst division in football. Who predicted that we would go to the Superbowl in '15 and 3 NFC Champions would come from the NFCS over the next 6 years. Rhule and Fitt make decisions I would have never considered and that intrigues me. Do they see something I don't? I would have gone Fields and oline like the Bears did. Lets see how the Bears do and how we do.

Twilight?

We certainly do.

Sorry, I don't have access. If anyone does, please post.

NFL offensive weapons ranking for all 32 teams in 2021: Barnwell picks the best and worst arsenals (espn.com)

Maybe his pleasant demeanor is holding him back.

How can this be? He looks awesome in his training. Not a single int.

A lot of chip on your shoulder stuff, draft ranking, DROY. Good. I hope Chinn shows up with something to prove.

Poor kid if he ends up at the Bengals working for Brown, talk about kiss of death. But you are right, we need a succession plan for Brady because if Sam does well, Brady's gone. C'mon Tepper, pull out that checkbook.

I just want someone to play intense football...and apparently that is was TT does.