micnificent28

Ok this I agree 100% on. I just think a qbs success and winning a championship isn't 100% on them as many people think. People like to say newton not winning a super bowl is because he wasn't good enough as a passer when other factors like Byron bell and the other horrible tackle came into play. Winning a championship is a team effort. Not having elite wrs who can help a qb matters. Having a cmc like back matters. Having say von miller on the other side matters. Elite shut down CBS. Its not all on the qb to win a game.

Where would you place cam. Because most people would say then and now he couldn't pass.

I mean most of you guys are older. And I get that. It's hard to see that the league you love so much is evolving. The fact is MOST of the top qbs in the league right now are mobile qbs. The age of the pure pocket passer is over. With the evolution of these pass rusher today it is out of necessity.

Bet you didn't complain when he turned those surefire 3 and out situations into a first down. Again mobility has its ups and downs. But having more options is never a bad thing. Being able to run is seen as a great attribute to have in today's league. Look at most of the top qbs. From kyler, to mahomes Jackson, burrow to a degree, Herbert, Josh Allen they all can run. The age of the statue is dead. You just need to accept it.

I think he's faster than cam.

Having the offense focused around them absolutely is. Plenty of rushing qbs were written off before this new wave. Or forced to play HB or wr. All the way up to say Marcus vick(Vicks brother headcase I know) but if he came out in this class I dout people would say he can't play qb.

Did Lamar jackson run a 40? Or kyler Murray? Fact is running a 40 as a qb doesn't benefit you at all. All it does is fuel the... he could be a wr or hb hype.

It's literally the dame argument I had on the huddlein 2011 before we drafted cam. Same arguments. He can't throw if he could he wouldn't be running. Well if Payton manning could run like cam or Jackson I'm sure he would run more as well. Even with Willis... all I see is he smart has a higher wonderlic score and he's accurate. Yet and still people question his ability to throw because he runs some other old school good Ole boy mindset.

This is a very bad take. Get hurt once and your body is starting to break down.

I think he as a runner is night and day vs geno smith.

Stop it

I'm not comparing Lamar to Jimmy G or Willis. I think Pickett his ceiling is about Jimmy G. He's about a second round talent in a good year and you could make the same case for Willis. That was also said about Lamar Jackson but the wild card was Jackson's upside and if he could capitalize on it. Well if Jackson figures it out and he did how good is he then? He changes the position and forces teams to adjust to a whole new scheme. They can't all out blitz him like they did us all last year and I think the same applies to Willis. He isn't as fast as Jackson but he's faster than Hurts for the eagles. What I'm gambling on if I'm overpicking which you would be doing with Willis and Pickett is upside.

How do you win an MVP and not be elite. He passes well enough.

I will say this. Even tho Willis isn't rated a generational top 10 quick his upside is. No one saw Lamar Jackson coming and many wanted him to move to WR. He doesn't have to have the highest credentials to change the game. All Lamar did was become the NFL MVP and most dynamic weapon in the league. If you think the ravens can't win a super bowl with Jackson your just stuck in a old way of thinking.

Also sir stop trolling Sheena quick lol

He knows about as much as any other talking head. Hits and misses at about the same frequency.. he had Josh Allen qb1 and others didn't. So it's fair to say he's about average.

I think that's a terrible comparison. Cam to Willis? One is 6'5 the other 6'0. 250 to 220? One a power goalline runner while Willis will mostly depend on his speed. Dominating usually depends on the team and not just one player... did Wentz and Josh Allen dominate in their tenure against lesser competition? If he and picket are =in terms of accuracy.. Willis has a stronger arm and is faster plus has more upside...are you trying to get a Jimmy G or the next Lamar Jackson? I mean if your going to overdraft either way

Your crazy...

I think people are over blowing this first meeting. He is the first pro day of the week. Let's see how he reacts to Willis today.. who I expect will jump off the chats with his arm.

Just because something hasn't been done doesn't mean it can't. Before cam most of the league didn't really care for a dual threat qb. Afterwards it basically became the norm. If 90% of the league have pocket qbs of course it is going to be rarer for running qbs to win Super Bowls. Also each individual is different. I haven't heard one person say Willis isn't accurate. Where as they killed cam about it.

They hype is his cannon arm. He's fairly accurate as far as option based qbs go. And he is being compared to a right handed micheal vick by Mel kiper... I think the tools to work with are exceptional. If he was 6'3 we wouldn't even be discussing who qb1 is.

Well his completion percentage is higher than Pickett. And a lot of the stuff you are saying about Willis they said about cam. But Willis seems to be fairly accurate.