micnificent28

Ask yourself that after Brady retires... pocket passer have won the last few basically on the strength of him alone. He's the goat. But what's left is Lamar jackson.Jackson.. Hurbert, Mahomes.Mahomet.. Russell Willson, burrow, and every other I m not a sitting duck in the pocket.

Bo nix was a highly regarded and touted 5 star recruit. He is going to be afforded all the life lines and mistakes any first round pick for a NFL team would male because of the investment, but at the college level. Willis was a athlete and was moved around wasn't even sure to play qb I think he was thought of as a corner.

Bro.. news flash.. the age of the pure pocket passer is over... go look at the top qbs in the league most of them have some kind of movement ability. And having the ability to run doesn't mean that's all you can do. Having more ways to attack a problem is always better than oh I hope this happens.. Every top qb draft in the last I would say 8 years has run atleast a 4.7 or so... the college ranks just aren't pumping out Tom Bradys or Payton mannings anymore. You have the occasional Mac Jones but it's now the outliner instead of the main show. Pocket passers also fail at the next level so it's not just because a guy can run he won't be successful.

His speed looked as advertised based on his big run in the senior bowl..

Yes I know I'm just using that guys argument. Joe burrow is miles better than Haskins just like cam was a better qb than The Golden Calf of Bristol. Sometimes the situation dictates if your going to play... a decent qb who is already proven and a senior ahead of you doesn't mean he's a better qb at all. In which case you better off transfer to play. I'm answering his question if Willis was so good why did he leave Auburn and couldn't win the starting job.

Who really cares man... stop scouting the comp and look at the traits. You look for things that translate at the pro level. If people thought like you would Josh Allen have went where he did? And looked good enough to have trey Lance follow right behind him? These guys are coming from basically 2a ball but they have the traits that translate. Stuff you can't teach. You could also make the argument he didn't put up better numbers because his team sucked.

Most qbs aren't running the 40. Lamar Jackson didn't... Kyle Murray didn't. Like most of you are saying a qbs 40 time doesn't define how they are going to throw the ball so that isn't as important. Being fast is a bonus.. if you run a 4.4'4.5 people will say as expected.. but if you come out run a slow time like a 4.65 you lose a bit of interest is mystique. It's a smart business move. Look at what's happening to Hamilton for running a 4.6.

Well they said his on field speed at the senior bowl was equal to Kyler who ran what a 4.4.. that's what his compassion is based off of.

Why did Joe burrow leave Ohio state?

Agreed. But these are ideal situations.. not likely to happen but if I had my choice it would be those.

I didn't see the specific plays they got hurt on so I will defer. But over their careers* Lamar had been pretty durable and Murray been fine as well. Cam for being the running qb got hurt in the pocket.. there is no one hit that is going to take you out. Qbs get hit even in the pocket. Just because you run as well doesn't mean your going to get hit qbs slide and run out of bounds to avoid unnecessary hits. Burrow was a number 1 overall pick...consensus. those are rare. Plus even he isn't a statue.

This is all I'm saying these are my 3 ideal picks maybe ikey/Neal/Willis but these 3 at 6 plz. Or trade down

Why didn't corral? Why was his pro day worse than Willis?

Russell Wilson doesn't get killed.. Lamar Jackson, Kyle Murray who is 5 '10. He's playing at 230 at 6'0 which is consider big even for Rb standards. But he isn't going to be playing rb or running 100% of the time. I would definitely give him 5-7 designed runs a game to keep defense honest.. His accuracy doesn't look as bad as you make it out to be and when given the time he looks good. If was as bad a thrower as you make it out to be do you think all these teams and gms would be ranking him the number 1 qb? Come on now we gotta read between the lines. Guy isn't just a kid running around cause he can't compete a pass. That's nonsense.

With that I think you still have to take the best guy... I Mean you going to pass on a super talent because you aren't equipped to house him at the time? The Jets weren't ready for Wilson and the jags weren't ready for Lawrence.. I don't think you just say no because when will you get this chance again?

They didn't exactly announce it which is why it's a rumor. A guy with connections said he heard... kind of like a movie leaking or a video game leaking early..the Panthers also could not have wanted this to get out.

Nobody is perfect? Go look at any other qb and there throwing sessions I would argue that corral looked the worst throwing against air but people still love him?

Some qb is always going to get pushed up... in a year where the class of talent is down you still have to find the girl who looks the best at the dance even if there isn't any grade A beauties. It looks to me a lot of his runs were by design similar to cam at auburn. The rise of the rpo offense. Guy was averaging what 80 yards a game at one point. If your good at something and why not take advantage of it? Doesn't mean he can't throw because he make does show off some nice throws but the difference I see with him and cam is he has touch.. he can change up the speed on his throws adjust his timing.. I think he's a better passer than Newton at the same point in their careers

Of course you can find people who stick to there gun but if you type in senior bowl qb rankings or senior bowl standout the name that generally* comes up is Willis.. I don't see oh Kenny Pickett really shined or Strong... on overall winners Willis is about universally on every list as a guy that stood out. And I'm not saying I'm he's a sure fire thing I'm just telling you what I see in a quick Google search.

You must not have watch any of his throwing sessions

I am not a fan of " he put up numbers in college" plenty of players do that and fail. You have to have traits that project at the next level things that make you better than the next that can be taken advantage of. A few years ago everyone was all up and sure about clelin ferrell because he was good in college and was putting up double digit sacks. Combine comes around he runs a horrible time and that's red flag number 1 for me. The tape won't tell you he was surrounded by 3 other first rounders and that allowed him to get minimum attention and made him look better than he was. Tape doesn't always tell the whole story.. there are factors in everything.

What about a whole week of practice where they all were on equal footing in a setting where Rhule himself coached last season where they got to see them in all conditions wind and equal competition? There was no liberty handicap or line deficiencies and the universal consensus was Willis came out looking the best of the bunch. Not to say years of tape and all their careers go down the drain. But again some time the tape doesn't tell the whole story and why we scout traits and things that project at the next level. Without that no way Josh Allen goes as high as he did and he proved them right.

Well he said from what he's hearing which is basically a rumor.. I don't want to flat out say Panthers are favoring Willis since it didn't come from anyone within the organization. So I made it questionable..

He said at .27 seconds the name I hear the most buzz from is Willis...

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