micnificent28

This is why it would smart of Rhule to select a quarterback...

I really think qb at 6 is a smart move for rhule on the grounds it could extend his contract. Say we draft a tackle and don't make the playoffs... he's gone. If he does the same with a young future star at qb that might be enough for tepper to want to allow him to develop his young signal caller. Not that I don't love the top 3 tackles. I think you need a superstar to win at this level. The qb you select has to have superstar upside to duel with Mahomes now. He is the standard. I don't see that with Pickett.

Your right. I'm getting your responses confused with like 3 other posters who are also debating this.

I used that term because that's the way Mr Scott described Cam and quarterbacks like farve. Not pinpoint but in the general area of the right throw. That said I think he's better than what your saying.

But who's saying he can't throw? You make it seem like he is just a guy running around without skill and can't read defenses. He at worst has general vicinity accuracy and proved to be more accurate than the others I'm a accuracy competition... not bad for a running back https://twitter.com/ChaseGoodbread/status/1489358463180410884?s=20&t=n04r2Vu-PWpVTBQhcC3o_w

I don't think we should compare Willis to darnold at all. Let's forget that. What I'm saying is quarterbacks who can buy time with their legs like the guys of old you mentioned fran and rodger can create throwing opportunities that might not be there because of coverage. Buy 1 tenth of a second could be the difference between a touchdown and a sack. Qbs who can create havoc with their legs just give the offense more ways to stress a defense. If you had to respect Darnold like you would have to respect Willis do I think it would open up more chances for him to "throw touchdowns" yes. Because the defense can't committ as many guys to coverage. I'm not arguing for a all in running qb like 20 carries a game. I think 7-8 at most is enough to scare defenses. I would prefer my qb be surgical with the football but if we can't find a surgeon give me a butcher who can carve up defenses. My projection on Willis all upside. He's not surgical yet, but he's a butcher day 1.

Oh and I agree. I'm not arguing vick was a better qb.

So you are telling me Staubach was faster than Micheal vick and a better runner with the football than Micheal vick who is the all time leading rusher and only qb to run for 1000 yards in a season runner Micheal vick?

Ok Staubach was superior to Vick in every way.... lol stop it.

Absolutely not. But it's safe to say based off the speed of the guys who are duel threats, Willis has enough speed to be a threat with his legs? Is he atleast as fast as Newton who broke 70 yarders? As far as rushing qbs go I don't think we have seen a guy with the tools Willis has. He's got a strong lower base and lead the league in broken tackles at the position. He's shorter but he'd a power guy will break a ton of sacks. His start and stop acceleration are elite. I don't think he has the best top end speed like say a corner or Wr but he has enough speed to be a threat.

I'm saying he isn't really a duel threat. His rushing ability isn't something you can take advantage of. If I have to worry about the threat of you running any given down it could cause a mistake in coverage, make a DB hesitant anything, just create more opportunities. I'm not saying running solves darnolds problems. I think he never looks comfortable in the pocket and has consistent happy feet. What I'm saying with Willis is day 1. You have probably a top 3 rushing threat as far as running quarterbacks go in the league you are going to have to respect that. That's a floor. At worse ot creates opportunities opens throwing lanes whatever. A top 10 arm that can challenge any spot on the field. His mobility is going to make DBs have to play in coverage longer than they would like which creates opportunities. Yes he's not drew Brees in terms of processing yet. But from what I seen he's a better thrower than Newton coming out of the draft. He can change up his pitches and has good deep ball accuracy.

That was my whole point. Mr. Scott was saying that today's runners are nothing new and that they have been around since Rodger the Dodger and fran tarc. I'm saying today's mobile qbs are in a different league and a higher threat level to score than those guys. Those guys basically bought time with there legs. Vick, Cam, Lamar, Kyler and these kids will house one if you sleep on them. I'm not comparing Willis to them as a thrower only in the sense of mobility.

If you leave out the average of 600 yards rushing and the long 70 yard touchdowns he was capable of breaking. The threat of the big chuck play made you respect newtson athleticism every down. You were always looking for it. But that worked in darnolds favor because hey nobody expected him to run. That said are we comparing Darnolds Red zone rushing ability to Newtons? A guy who literally ran over guys and around them into the enzone vs I caught you not looking at me and snuck in?

If Sam Darnold isn't even faster than this guy I don't want him bring mentioned as a duel threat. Being able to run one in from 5 yards out doesn't mean your a duel threat.

this is the reason you shouldnt lump in Fran Tarkenton and roger staubach with Vick or even Willis. Darnold is not an elite athlete. He moves well and probably has sneaky speed if defenses aren't prepared for it but That athletic ability alone isn't enough to build a offense around or even devote a every down spy to. Didn't Jordan Davis a 330 pound defensive tackle just run a faster time than this guy? Darnold on paper may not be as good a athlete as you assume.

I mean if you no a hard-core draft nut you might think so. But I love this aspect of the NFL. But you won't find many that say he isn't a first rounder at qb.

One read qb sounds a lot like the guy we drafted in 2011. All the things they were saying about Cam then older guys like you are saying now. He's a running back move his position. He can't throw. But bottom line people have seen him throw well enough to say he's above everyone else in this class. That should tell you he's more than just some running back at qb. He has to be able to throw..everyone knows that. These teams aren't going to draft a qb first round that doesn't have the ability to throw.

I mean mcshay said it as well.. but now what we don't like mcshay because we don't agree with his opinion?

Definitely more on fire than you any day. You never have any Valid info or links to anything you say. You basically just fart in the wind and say "we all smell it".

The head of draft analytics for cbssports.

My bad I should have asked him to give detail because Mr completely doesn't like Willis and a simple yes isn't credible.

This should kill that whole argument. The whole idea that the quarterback wins and decides playoff victories is ridiculous. There are 21 other guys who have a large say so and looking at the score at the end of the game doesn't mean the better qb won the game.

You would be wrong for spending the number 6 pick on a limited upside Pickett and Howell who is projected second rounder. I like Howell but nobody has him going in the top 20 maybe not the first round.

Matter of fact PFF just mocked him to us a hour or so ago

Not everyone