micnificent28

He hasn't been getting it done which is why he is on the way out. Obviously you don't let a guy walk who was winning or you had confidence in winning you playoff games. He hadn't been getting it done enough I suppose.

If you want to nitpick it. But who's to say any of the tackles are a sure thing? Every player you pick has a chance to miss. Everyone was sure Derrick brown was the safest defensive tackle in years. He is looking kinda meh... Erick fisher the went number 1 to the chiefs, Luke joeckel to the jags. Greg Robinson... I mean offensive tackles are almost as dangerous as qbs in terms of bust rate. Few of them turn out as advertised excluding the last class or 2. Wirfs class looked really good. And the guys last year. Tackle can be a crap shoot as well. But I get your point.

People kill me with these the value is here and all this. Guess what. Value is for people who have enough all ready. You don't go shopping for a luxury car when you riding a bike. We know the tackles are safer and probably better but if you don't have a guy to build around that value doesn't really matter. The value of a qb isn't just in that. Your valuing that qb vs all the other guys you can sign on his rookie contract vs a tackle.

If he couldn't get it done with all that talent in Cleveland. I don't want to see what he does with less here.

Also hard to compare the two. Newton had all world tools. Dangerous runner. Manziel I see as more the guys you brought up rodger the dodger, Tarkenton, guys who could move well behind the line of scrimmage. Manziel had a decent arm, I guess like Pickett or Mayfield. Manziel reminded me a lot of Mayfield or visa versa rather. Ran a 4.7 not the same level of rushing ability as Willis. Manziel was picked at 22. I don't think his risk was as high as cam because we picked at 1 with cam. But his upside wasn't nearly as high as cams either.

The worst thing we can do is pick Pickett.

It's literally the same thing. You were highly against cam then just like most of the talking heads. A lot of people said don't take him in the first round and he wasn't even the number qb1 In the class. He came from a gimmicky offense (Willis as well) was looked at and a running qb who was a one read and run. Now difference is he was 6'6 250 but still was a boom or bust pick. Also we arent picking first so willis isnt as large a gamble. But he has been mocked as hugh as 2 off his potential. He has a similar running style to cam but smaller. I think Willis is a more accurate passer than cam at this stage.

exactly!!!!!

pretty much cause hes safer in the short term this year sense.

every pick is a gamble.

I mean if I'm going to gamble Willis upside.

Personally on defense I love sauce G. Guy has Sherman size with much better than Sherman speed. But we don't need a corner. It's like having a girlfriend but hey that girl across the bar is looking damn good...

This. i can't see Fitts sitting there while the bulk of talent flies off the board til round 4.

Cool with the tackles hate the qb picks...

I think the trade down depends on the compensation. Are we trading out of six for a 3? No. I mean I'm skeptical even for a 2. I almost want another one next season depending on how far we go down. If it's past 15 I need another 1. But in the second I would love Howell no doubt. He is intriguing. Corral and ridder in the 20s.

That's what they say the year before the rip apart next years class and find all the warts on them and then oh but this kid next year watch out... I don't think Rhule has a Next year in him. He needs his guy this year.

The thing isif a qb has the potential to be great you take him period. I don't care that it has to be the perfect scenario and we aren't it. You make it work. The Jets weren't the perfect situation for Zach Wilson and the jags weren't the perfect situation got Trevor Lawrence. You get the guy who can be great and build around him.

No more "jean fridays" and "teh call me Mister"

This is the one right here... lol

Are you making this a mobile qb vs pocket passser thing? Do you think carson strong is drew Brees?

I mean this guy will be there in the 3rd round at the earliest. He isn't going before Howell and ridder whom I assume will be there in the second. He possibly could be there in the 4th. If we can grab him in the fourth sure.

How man qbs are drew Brees and how many are cam? Two ones in a generation type guys. You can't take a water down guy and say he's drew Brees and you can't make another guy A 6'0 guy cam.

It looked pretty much the same in the senior bowl. Those teams had future first round picks. Equal competition. He will still be faster than the average defensive lineman and most linebackers who aren't freaks themselves. Corners are another matter tho.

Give me a guy with the stuff you can't teach and we will work on the rest. In a league where everyone is the top 3% in the world I'm looking for the guy that's top 1% and use that to my advantage. I don't want a guy who is already at his ceiling and still wasn't the best in college. A good coach will let him do what he does best and then slowly incorporate the more completed stuff as he goes along and learns. You absolutely can play Willis year one and get results by doing what he is already really special at. No other qb really in this draft can say that.

He absolutely becomes a top 5 rushing threat at the position... there won't be 5 qbs in the league you would rather have in a pocket breaking down or rpo situation. That makes him a freak on that alone.looking at his legs and lower base he looks closer to saquon barkley than the typical quarterback. You aren't going to take him down easily with arm tackles. He lead the league as qb with broken tackles. That's a freak. The fact he steps into the league with a top 10 arm is also freaky talent. Like putting all those factors alone together makes him a freak. And I haven't even spoken ridiculous start and stop ability. The guy is a freak athlete at 6'0 230 pound. That's pretty big for a qb at 6'0.