micnificent28

This fan base... Evero lost the best player on the team week 1, traded their best pass rusher in the off season and the guy they hired to start along side clowney just came back this week. The guy has been making wine out of water if you as me. Your asking him to do a lot understaffed. Even if everyone was healthy this team took losses on defense with Frankie luvu and others we were suppose to are a step back. This season isn't on him. I think he's a fantastic young defensive mind.

This is also a fair debate...

He wasn't taken until what the 90th pick? What do you mean he wasn't available. Anyone in the 3rd round is available to anyone.

I'm a draft guy.. I feel like you look at every drafted player and personnel decision to see what went right and what went wrong. The decision to have Corral as QB 1 at that point like what made him there quarterback number 1? I believe we need to learn from our history.

Not sure how you come to that conclusion. Bad QBs make the team around you worse or look bad. Look at Skyler Thomas tim Boyle in Miami with those weapons. Levis looks bad. Even Bryce looked bad here and made our weapons look bad. But inserted Dalton and we look like a different team. Willis hasn't thrown an interception and has benefit the weapons around him with his legs. He a plus instead of a hindrance. I think what you will see if he keeps playing solid a team come calling to give him a shot as a starter maybe mami.

the point is he looks like a football player. A team has won 2 games with him at the helm which is all Bryce has done in 18 games. He would have come significantly cheaper as well and has more physical ability than anyone we have on the roster right now. Talent vs investment.

When?

I brought that up as well. The point is more so at how we view QBs.. what traits are we looking at? What makes you take one guy over another. My point was these guys showed elite traits and we settle for guys who might have went to bigger programs but didn't show the same physical ability.

He has played well for the past 2 weeks. Sure he's a backup for now* not saying he's supplanting love. But could he reemerge like darnold and Geno and Mayfield why not? I haven't seen anything to show that he can't be a starter in this league.

fair enough. I'm not sure what was the deal with our second rounder that year. But if you wanted the guy you pass in the first for ickey which okay is fair.. if u wanted him in the second you could have gotten back into the second round and same as the 3rd round when a lot of pundents had him as a first round pick.

Even in a bad QB class you can find useful pieces. Brock Purdy was a after thought. What I'm saying is we passed on Willis multiple times and yes he isn't setting the world on fire but does he look like a NFL qb vs say Corral who can't even get a starting job in the xfl or Canadian league.. yes. As good as Lefluer is as a coach you can't take away from a guy who kept his head down and did the work to improve and his physical talent to get it done with his arm and 74 yards rushing and a touchdown on the ground. That all Willis.

I am thrilled for the win and happy with Andy Dalton in the short term. But banking on a 36 year old QB of the future is fools gold. I'm still looking at potential franchise guys that we failed to identify. We passed on Willis a few times and even chose Corral over him in the 3rd. Yes his rookie season didn't look well coming out of liberty and needed time to develop and green bay got him on the cheap for what a 6-7th round pick? But he has already proven to be better than Corral easily.. and these past 2 games have been better than Bryce easily early into there careers.. can we discuss how we have failed to identify guys who are plus athletes and have the traits to be good vs. taking guys who are "football players" with less talent.

Yes he got torched that 1 play but its going to happen. Other than that what a dog.. guy plays with heart emotion and leadership. I'm all for giving him a deal this offseason if he stays healthy. Some of the best hands we have had at corner since..umm bradberry?

Agreed. It's a crap shoot. No matter who you draft there is a chance at failure and a chance at success. It's a gamble... But my logic to what I would always do is gamble on plus athletes. Give me what you can teach and we will figure out the stuff that is coachable on the practice field. Arm strength height speed can't be improved on. Who cares if your smart if you can't take advantage of said smartness with your limited tools. If it were that simple hell put Canales in there at QB because nobody knows the offense better than him. Football games are won by 2/3rds by the Jimmy's and the joes. Who ever has the better players can make more mistakes and have a better chance at making up for those mistakes. Do I believe Bryce can manage a game and throw less picks absolutely.. but you get him behind on script and his limited ability you force him to have to will you back into games he is going to make mistakes. He doesn't have the physical ability to be one of those 400 yards a game guys.

Would it be wrong to place Derrick Browns injury on Bryce as well? I mean his inability to sustain drives and putting the defense back on the field constantly had to increase the wear and tear and chance injury.

This has to be the worst number 1 pick ever in history because what were you so in awe of.. I don't think there has ever been a QB drafted at number 1 with worse physical ability.. and you ignored this. https://x.com/NFLRookieWatxh/status/1833158653135696292?t=LJsBJpnOIyMtFwCDx5IAjQ&s=19

My question is who looked at Bryce young and said wow this guy is absolutely a number 1 pick.. he has the arm the speed the size this guy is the best prospect in the country ahead of pin point Stroud and Freak of nature Richardson... This guy Bryce has the tools they don't...

my God this... This is the point.. you get it.

I think everjo is getting a bad rep here. You gutted the defense and transferred all defensive assets to the offensive side of the ball to save Bryce a failing project. He is still him this can't be blamed on him.

I'm not going to rant again just repost my thoughts from last October.

jack is putrid

so jack plummer... really why is this guy even a thing... he wasnt even near a thing in college.. I get the blood lines but this kid didnt show much in college.

respect and well wishes Scott!

same here...