The Goddamn Jets

Not exclusive. Plenty of Jets fans who said, "SAM JUST NEEDS BLAH BLAH BLAH AND THEN HE'LL BE BLAH BLAH BLAH" were running wild after week 3.

We do... We do... I mean, Zach Wilson bashing was kind of in my first post, no? Also, I signed up after the trade, and didn't troll. Had some good conversations with the people here.

Sam Darnold minus 2017 Rose Bowl equals 3rd round pick

He never had those.

A humble connoisseur of bad quarterbacking.

I'm not sure you can just average it out when you don't even know if you want him next year. Regardless of the averages, you're stuck with him next year at 18M. That's not a good thing, and easily avoidable for a very manageable risk. Obviously I won't argue making that trade was good for you. Darnold is trash and most should have known this wasn't because Jets... I'm just saying I get it...

No thanks. Him and Blitz Boy being terrible is literally the only thing we have to feel good about.

That's the reason we're not a good offense. And, Wilson has definitely been let down by them at times. But, Wilson's inability to execute is the reason we're a dreadful one. There are many, many opportunities that he botches. Look now further than todays game. Our back-up QB, who is by no means good, came in, and he found open WRs and moved the ball. Is he a guy you can rely on, of course not. But, does he dispel the notion that nothing is possible with this offense? I think so.

Our offense isn't the reason he's inaccurate or not executing what's supposed to be the easy stuff.

I understand the trade, as there is some reason to believe the Jets were the problem, because well... I cannot understand why in the world you'd pick up his option. You're on the hook for 18M when you'd probably want to get rid of him. Franchise tag would only have been 7M more, in the worst case financial scenario were you to have been right that he was actually good and the Jets/Gase were the problem.

Meh - Connected on a few big plays, but missed a number of easy throws that would have sealed the game well before needing a missed OT FG. At present, he's basically just a schoolyard QB who's one play is "go long" and his biggest weapon this throwing the ball downfield and getting a DPI for a big gain.

Now, any buyers for our new terrible QB?

Just made this video and tweeted out my support:

He's got a lot of the measurables you look for, and he had that Rose Bowl performance.

Agreed. But, the decision to weight his lack of experience is not accidental or without merit. College starts do hold some weight in correlation to success in the pros. This was a big concern with Sanchez. His QBASE was disastrously low, and we traded up for him because we're dumb. And, no surprise, he was awful. Two things happen with more college starts: 1) Sample size improves for evaluation, and 2) QBs learn and gain more experience in live action against hopefully higher competition than they got in HS. As for sample sizes, if Darnold has another year in college that looks like his junior year, not his sophomore, you think he's still a top QB? He was smart to come out when he did - pure business decision. I truly believe his camp is very smart, and maximizing his earnings to the best of their ability before he ultimately flames out.

QBASE is a mathematical formula that does it's best to predict a college QB's potential in the NFL. Have you read about it before? https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2021/introducing-qbase-v20 It takes in a lot of factors, and it's greatest success rate is in predicting busts. It seems to do so at a higher rate than traditional scouting. It basically called Darnold a 50/50 prospect to bust. Based on even what you're saying about him being 'unfinished' or 'needing development,' sort of speaks to that, no? These are all things that very easily may not work out. As for NFL success, coaching/stability and fit may all be hindsight analysis. Bad QBs get coaches fired. Darnold has put a lot of coaches out of jobs. Good QBs keep coaches in their jobs. Belichick has stated in the past it was his expectation to be fired after the season Bledsoe got hurt and Brady came in, but then Brady...

Yeah - I don't think you guys made a bad decision, based on these factors, and what you paid. It's a relatively low risk gamble. We'll see how it goes - obviously I'll be following along - I just think he's another USC QB who didn't work out when he wasn't surrounded by talent that overwhelmed the opponent. Let's not forget that, coaching and talent aside, QBASE had him at a 52% bust rate, 2nd highest of the 1st round QBs (only to Allen, who has been a literal unicorn when it comes to all the statistical measures) - so we shouldn't be terribly surprised when a guy who the best metric we have for predicting duds at the position said it was > 50% he'd bust. The funny thing is, I soured on Darnold at the combine, and then convinced myself it was nothing. When Darnold stood next to Allen, Rosen, and Mayfield - all of them slinging the ball around, and he didn't participate, something about that was just so telling to me... Felt like he wasn't a competitor; scared, maybe. Of course, when he fell to us, I pretended that never happened or was a smart business decision because he didn't want to be upstaged by Allen's arm.

I think the supporting cast argument is certainly reason for hope, but you can overthrow a great WR in the same way you can a lesser one, and you can not see a bad receiver the same way you can not see a great one. I also think there's merit to the fact that last year, not just Mims, but he's a good example, played two or three games with Flacco, vs. a bunch more with Darnold. Two of his 3 top games were with Flacco.

Nothing all that interesting, unfortunately. By all accounts he's a good kid that keeps to himself. I have heard some stories about him going out to the bars after games and getting so lit up that his teammates have had to drag him home. Nothing all that interesting there, and it sort of tracks with his age and the mono thing.

I've heard some really positive stories like this.

That's fairly tame. I'm no longer invited to family functions on my wife's side.

Mel Kiper, 2017: "I think when you look back at John Elway, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, we're going to view Sam Darnold in that same light." Sounds like someone doesn't want to admit that they were, maybe, just a bit off here.

I think what people forget is that the Buttfumble happened on Thanksgiving. So, yes. The Jets, and specifically, Mark Sanchez, ruined Thanksgiving.

Even the fictional Jets can't catch a break.

"Gase was criticized for his painfully horizontal offense, but have we considered the possibility that it was a result of Darnold’s own limitations as a passer?" This is why the Gase argument falls flat. We can all agree that Gase was a failure of a head coach. But, what the "it's all gase" argument asks you to accept is that he was so inept, it was as if he doesn't generally understand basic concepts of football. And, frankly, that's a funny position to take on the internet or talk radio, but you don't become an NFL head coach without the ability to recognize the this us idiots see plain as day. There have been plenty of people around Darnold, you'd think, if some of this were able to be fixed, we'd see at least some signs of it. He's also had Palmer as an independent QB coach.