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ouuu ouuu is it a OL?!?!?! No? okay...

True. That is a great example. I think you have to look at the reasons we're rebuilding. And I think when we brought in Matt Rhule, we brought in a guy that is known as a "rebuild coach". But he doesn't have the experience yet maybe to be an NFL Coach. That maybe brought more problems to the rebuild. He is learning. It's hard to teach young players and build a culture when you're learning yourself. He may or may not be the right guy for the job. But me, I am prolly gonna wait a couple more years before im 100% out on the guy. But that's just me. And for Tepper well prior to him being our owner, he was a one of the owners of the Steelers (small percentage and idk if he still owns some or had to give it up). I am also not sure if he had anything to do with any of their success. I don't now what he likes to see in personnel before he hires them. I do think he knows he isn't a football guy like a jerry jones. He may WANT to win and that may cause him to overstep his boundary at times like some thought he would with a trade for Watson.

I agree. Im not here to argue if they are doing a rebuild correctly. Im just here stating that we are in a complete rebuild. Maybe our rebuild is taking longer than it should. But I think that is just because of how they prioritized things. They put the defense first and addressed other holes with "glue and tape" players. Some may stick and some may not. I see them making fixes to OL in year 3 but developing OL takes more than just bringing them in. So that could take another year maybe 2. So yes you can definitely say that even if a 3 year rebuild is how long it is supposed to take, we are behind. We all know how hard it is to hit on a franchise QB. We were more or less praying Darnold was the guy... not expecting.

isn't that what you rebuild for... to build a contender?

Well a proper rebuild would take at least 2-3 years. But you have to add in bad planning, bad draft picks, bad hires of front office personnel... that stuff pushes rebuilds back. IMO rebuilds restart when a new coaching staff comes in. Because you now possibly have a new plan in place. You have a new guy that may like things completely different. Sometimes its good for a franchise and sometimes its bad. Sometimes its a problem with ownership, if they keep hiring the wrong guys. not saying this is what we're going through lol just saying...

As I do agree with you, they traded for young unproven players. You can argue the gilmore trade, but for an injuries guy that will give us some action we are looking forward to what he can teach the most. Also, a lot of trades have been for the defensive side of ball. Not to win us games, but to keep us in games. I fully expect us to go OL and offense heavy next draft/off-season. If we don't... then well idk what to say. We traded for a QB that can act as a younger bridge QB. Darnold is nothing more than a bridge QB with the possibility of being a franchise guy. That was just a gamble. Allows us not to have to draft a rookie and get him killed by our OL by also building a defense that can keep us in games. If Darnold were to be a franchise guy then it would have sped our rebuild up much more... however he hasn't. So here we are. We aren't behind course by any means, but we aren't ahead of course like some thought after going 3-0 either

Being happy and being realistic about a team that just came out of its 1st year in a rebuild are two different things bro.

Alright... apparently we've made a decision... no more bad players.. alright.. Now that we had that discussion we will bring in nothing but bread winners and win a super bowl right? I forgot it was that easy

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It depends. I think at the end of the season... hopefully... our OC will have adjusted and learned a lot from offensive woes coming from the beginning of the season. Hopefully the chemistry on the OL and just in the offense in general would be better at that time. Our defense is only gonna get better with Gilmore teaching/mentoring.

Lack of consistent pass rush from Brian Burns "Brian and I talked about that yesterday. The flow of the game and the things they're doing, he just hasn't had the opportunity like Haason [Reddick] has. Based on formation and backfield sets, and those types of things. I think his productivity will get better as we go. I looked into that and watched the tapes. I don't think it's anything Brian is doing." Jeremy Chinn playing linebacker "Based on injuries and different stuff, we had to use Jeremy in different roles. He's adapted real well so he's doing fine. You'll see him grow every week. Not only is he playing a different position at safety in different packages it's slightly different this year. He's growing in the package and as we go, he'll make more and more plays." Keith Taylor stepping up "The atmosphere and who he is playing against and all that doesn't seem to bother him at all. I think for Jaycee [Horn] and him, they're rookies but they don't care who they're playing against or how good the guy is. They just go out and play and are confident in their abilities." First impressions of Stephon Gilmore "Well, first of all, he's a pro. No ego. Has come in and fit in right away, wants to learn what we're doing. I think all the guys are enjoying him. I'm anxious to see when and how much he can play this year. I think we'll be fortunate that he's here if he can get on the field for us." https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/gm-report/quick-hits-early-impressions-of-gilmore-chinn-moving-around-taylor-stepping-up-more

When the Panthers have the ball Panthers Offense Stats Vikings Defense 363.4 (16th) Total Yards Per Game/Allowed 368.8 (16th) 107.8 (18th) Rushing Yards Per Game/Allowed 130.0 (22nd) 3.67 (28th) Rushing Yards Per Attempt/Allowed 4.74 (29th) 255.7 (13th) Passing Yards Per Game/Allowed 238.8 (13th) 14 (T-24th) Sacks Allowed/Sacks 17 (2nd) 38.2 (21st) Third Down Efficiency 31.7 (4th) 23.0 (T-16th) Points Per Game/Allowed 21.8 (9th) When the Vikings have the ball Vikings Offense Stats Panthers Defense 382.8 (11th) Total Yards Per Game/Allowed 255.8 (2nd) 113.8 (15th) Rushing Yards Per Game/Allowed 94.2 (8th) 4.25 (15th) Rushing Yards Per Attempt/Allowed 4.40 (22nd) 269.0 (10th) Passing Yards Per Game/Allowed 161.6 (1st) 9 (T-8th) Sacks Allowed/Sacks 16 (T-3rd) 39.1 (19th) Third Down Efficiency 25.5 (1st) 22.6 (T-19th) Points Per Game/Allowed 17.4 (3rd)

MINNESOTA (2-3) at CAROLINA (3-2) Sunday, 1 p.m. EDT, Fox OPENING LINE: Vikings by 1, according to FanDuel SportsBook. AGAINST THE SPREAD: Vikings 2-3, Panthers 3-2. SERIES RECORD: Vikings lead 9-6. LAST MEETING: Vikings beat Panthers 28-27 on Nov. 29, 2020 at Minnesota. VIKINGS OFFENSE: OVERALL (11), RUSH (15), PASS (10), SCORING (t-19). VIKINGS DEFENSE: OVERALL (17), RUSH (22), PASS (13), SCORING (9). PANTHERS OFFENSE: OVERALL (16), RUSH (18), PASS (13), SCORING (t-16). PANTHERS DEFENSE: OVERALL (2), RUSH (8), PASS (1), SCORING (3). TURNOVER DIFFERENTIAL: Vikings 0; Panthers minus-2. VIKINGS PLAYER TO WATCH: WR Justin Jefferson. The second-year wideout is proving his rookie season was no fluke, turning in big numbers again this year. Jefferson has 28 receptions for 391 yards and three touchdowns in his last four games, presenting a formidable challenge for Carolina cornerbacks Donte Jackson and C.J. Henderson. Jefferson had seven catches for 70 yards and two TDs last year against the Panthers. PANTHERS PLAYER TO WATCH: Panthers LB Haason Reddick. The edge rusher has been a force for Carolina with 6 1/2 sacks through five games. Reddick now has 14 sacks in his last nine games, dating back to his time in Arizona. He has been particularly effective at home this season with at least 1 1/2 sacks in each of Carolina’s three games. KEY MATCHUP: Panthers offensive line vs. Vikings pass rush: Panthers QB Sam Darnold has been under heavy duress for most of the season and has been being sacked eight times and hit 19 times in the last two games. The Vikings present a major concern for Carolina as they have 17 sacks this season, second most in the NFL. KEY INJURIES: Vikings RB Dalvin Cook is working his way back after missing last week’s game with a sprained ankle but the team has a bye next week and may look to hold him out again to be safe. DT Michael Pierce was inactive last week with an elbow injury and did not practice Wednesday. The Panthers are hoping to get Christian McCaffrey back from a hamstring injury, which would be a tremendous boost for the offense. Left tackle Cam Erving is expected to play after missing last week’s game with a neck injury, which means Taylor Moton will move back to his more natural right tackle position. Linebacker Shaq Thompson (foot) is out again. SERIES NOTES: The Vikings have won three of the last four games, including last year’s 28-27 victory in Minnesota in which they outscored Carolina 18-8 in the fourth quarter. While the Vikings are 9-6 overall against the Panthers, Carolina is 3-2 at home. The series has produced some memorable moments, including Vikings QB Brad Johnson throwing a touchdown pass to himself (off a batted pass) in 1997, and Panthers WR Steve Smith returning the season-opening kickoff for a touchdown the first time he ever touched the ball as a rookie in the 2001. The Panthers won that game 24-13 but would go on to lose 15 straight, ending coach George Seifert’s tenure in Carolina. STATS AND STUFF: The Vikings are 0-2 on the road this season. ... DE Everson Griffen has four sacks in the last three games. Over his last three matchups against the Panthers while with the Vikings, in 2014, 2016 and 2017, Griffen had six sacks. ... Griffen (four) and DE Danielle Hunter (six) are one of two tandems in the league with four-plus sacks apiece. Khalil Mack and Robert Quinn are the other for the Bears. ... Vikings WR Justin Jefferson is the third player in team history with at least five catches in the first five games of the season. Current teammate Adam Thielen (2017, 2018) and Hall of Famer Cris Carter (1994, 1995, 1997) are the others. ... QB Kirk Cousins threw his 200th career TD pass last week. He’s the ninth active player in the league to reach that milestone. ... The Panthers are 2-1 at home. ... The Panthers have struggled in the third quarter this season, scoring an NFL-low seven points. ... Darnold has thrown five interceptions in the last two games and has six TDs passes and six INTs on the season. ... Darnold was limited to a passer rating of 34.4 after completing 17 of 42 passes with one touchdown and three interceptions in his last meeting with the Vikings as a member of the Jets.. ... The Panthers are 3-0 with McCaffrey in the starting lineup and 0-2 without him. McCaffrey has 2,820 scrimmage yards (148.4 per game) and 21 touchdowns in his past 19 home games. ... Rookie RB Chuba Hubbard had his first 100-yard rushing game last week in a 21-18 loss to the Eagles. ... The Panthers’ defense is first in the NFL on third downs, allowing opponents to convert just 25.4% of those opportunities into first downs. Link: https://apnews.com/article/nfl-sports-minnesota-vikings-nfl-capsules-carolina-panthers-afbb1b3de18aa2eea6b6759fe582bfd2

We've given up 21 and 36 in last two weeks. I'm not here to scream we're gonna lose, but it is definitely possible we give up 27 to a Vikings offense that is not as bad as you think. Now you could argue us scoring more than 6 points.

This is a winnable game. Even with the bad blocking and turnovers (last week)... if we didn't have as many penalties as we did, we likely could've won despite that. Had like 8 or 9 penalties and gave up at least 60 yards due to that (someone would have to check for exact numbers). If we can cut back on some of those flags, we'll have less 3rd and long situations. That will help a lot.

Our defense can still have a great game, but we aren't facing a terrible defense either. If our OL plays like last week it'll be long. Or... I'd hate to put more pressure than there needs to be on Joe Brady but if he can draw something up to counteract our OL woes... then that's our chance. I think Robby was onto something. I know our OL limits what we can do and the kinds of route/plays we call, but I still hope guys are vocal and our staff is open to adjustments that players may suggest. Not just adjustments the coaches think will work.

You can argue that CMC playing would help the Panthers in 3rd down situations and just helping the offense stay on the field in general, which would allow the defense to rest more.

This is a game where Joe Brady shows us something. Opens it up and shows us why "he's special". That's my prediction, not sure if I can call it bold or not :/ since we haven't seen much special from the offensive play-calling

It builds character

Then make a positive thread

Its a good way to start your day that's for sure. But that's more for a "onlyfans" type career not NFL

I did, but we thought the Long Snapper standing next to it looked sexier lol

Im gonna run into a wall if more of these threads are made

Deserves its own thread if you ask me