Panthers Rhule

Thank you Mr. Scott!!! It's always great to hear someone make sense in the final days leading up to the draft. This QB nonsense drives me crazy. I honestly can't get my head around this constant talk of drafting a QB at 8. Without saying which QB will ultimately be the better QB, just the entire idea is illogical and it never stops. I'm personally hoping to sweet baby Jesus that Lance and Fields are both there at 8 just so there isn't any remaining doubt about this subject when we pass on both of them. LT, CB, WR are all possibilities whether at 8 or somewhere else in the first but QB is definitely NOT!

I hope this is wrong. I believe that Denver is our best opportunity for trading Teddy and that would not happen if they did this. So, I'm praying they don't take a QB

Every mock I see this week has Eagles taking him at 12 so if that's who they really want they might have to take him before 12. I have no idea who they are going to draft though. Thursday is like a box of chocolate.

But even he admits here: "As I wrote last week, Carolina hates the fact that the franchise has averaged 6.2 picks per draft in the last eight years when the average team has 8.1. I’m not sure at all they’d use the pick here on Fields, because they’re truly optimistic about Sam Darnold." He admits that he's only speculating and immediately argues against his own pick with sound logic. If I publicly state a pick I'm confident of I do not go on to explain why my pick makes zero sense.

He answered the question and he was truthful. That is the trend. That doesn't mean that he doesn't want Jones. In fact, about 5 years ago, there wasn't a player like them that was considered a top QB. Not 1. It's a new thing which is why it's called a trend. 5 years ago and Mac Jones would likely be considered the 2nd best QB in this draft or at least the 3rd and it would be almost unanimous. I saw a Dan Patrick show saying that teams that interviewed Mac and gave him some of their plays and discussed their strategies and he aced it. Then they contacted him a month later and he could still recall everything from their first interview, plays, strategies and all. He's a football guru. What he lacks in physical attributes he compensates with elite football IQ. He has the football IQ of a Manning or Brady. YOu can insert him into your offense and he will get it immediately and you will soon be able to open the entire book. He is likely the best QB in the draft in that sense. If Jones goes to San Fran then I predict he will be the top QB in this draft by the end of 2023.

Unless they don't view him as a tight end. He could also be seen as a big receiver. He's almost exactly the same size as Megatron. The fact that there are Julio trade rumors might give this even more merit. Remove the TE from in front of his name and add the letters WR. Does it still sound silly?

There's no way the Pats are talking to us about potentially trading up from 15 to 8 for anything other than a QB. I know that there are many who are still dreaming about Fields but it's not going to happen. The writing's on every wall. Go ahead and accept it now and the draft will be much more pleasant.

I forgot to add to the original post, but who would you think are the 5 potential trade partners? Do you agree with the list? is there anyone else you think may be a potential partner and why?

No thank you. I like posts like this and conversations like this. The posts here have been very enjoyable. It's like the conversations you can have at your favorite Panther's bar just having a beer, some food and fan talk with the guys just wanting to have some fun in the afternoon with the boys before returning home to the family.

In the pre-draft presser, we said we have spoken with 5 teams about a potential trade down. Since then, I have been trying to consider who those 5 teams would be. Remember, in the same conversation we also said that we had 16 players as 1st round picks and we do not know who those players are. My guess would be at least 3 and as many as 6 are NOT commonly ranked as the 16 best players in the draft based on our staffs own personal preferences. Based on rumors, even if they make no sense to me personally, and then what I think some teams may be willing to do I have come up with these 5 teams: Broncos (to stop us from from allowing another team to jump ahead of them for their QB) Chargers (to secure a non QB they really like. Maybe Slater or a WR) Patriots (to jump ahead of Denver for a QB they like. Yes they don't usually do this but they don't usually sign big FAs and they did and they used to have Mr. Brady) Cardinals (to secure a non QB they really like. Specifically a WR) Bears (For a QB. The coach and GM's butts have to be hot. Underachieving team might reach to save jobs) Possible: WFT (I don't put them here as I think they may be too conservative now to move so high unless their owner hadn't learned his lesson yet)

Hopefully Arnold will help that situation out a little and the we either draft a WR in the mid to later ounds to do that or someone else on the roster steps up.

I would agree with everyone here except for 2. Parsons has to be an absolutely no way a fit for Rhules' team. Rhule is a character guy who scratches players off his list based on elevator behavior so I cannot imagine any scenario where he'd be okay with drafting Parsons in any round. Samuel JR is a good CB but I don't believe he fits our parameters for a QB and definitely not as a CB 1 or 2 and personally I think we are looking for a CB1.

I would say frustrating yeah. Especially after that 3 game win streak and the way we beat the Cardinals. THAT was the game where I and probably a lot of us, got ahead of ourselves and started thinking we were better than we were because we all could see how close we were to being who I think we will become. If that makes any sense. They were a legit playoff contender and we looked better. Even after that we played some good teams really well and even almost beat the Chiefs. I was still waiting for that last "click" that would put us into contention for a wildcard but then it never happened. Teddy was never great but it almost looked like it could be enough. Losing CMC made a difference but it was more after Teddy got hurt. When he came back he was worse. Still, I saw enough good that with these off season moves, which I am VERY optimistic about, plus the way we seem to be approaching the draft, that I have high hopes for the direction we're moving in. I'm not saying next season we'll set the league on fire but I can definitely see us moving up from wannabe to playoff contenders in 2022. I think our defense will be much better and my hope on offense will be improvement and a little more Shazam! I'm not looking for Darnold to be a top 5 QB but if he can come out and have his best season to date and give us some big play possibilities and some passing TDs without too many turnovers then I think he will be fine here. I'm going to consider his first 3 seasons with the Jets as his rookie campaign on a bad team. Now I'll judge him as a year 2 QB that has some talent around him and I want to see his progression along that line. Then hopefully, next season we have more talent (or experience as everyone is either really young or new to the system) and see him continue to progress. I know I'm an optimist, I'm a not I glass half empty or glass half full type of guy, for me the glass is completely full, half water and half air. But I really believe that of all the young QBs that we could have brought here that Darnold has the biggest chance of becoming something special with THIS staff on THIS team. I think he's a perfect fit for what we want to do and I think our team is the perfect place for him to have success. I'm expecting at least a Mayfield type of improvement this season after he got paired with Stefanski.

This is an interesting bet to me. I like contemplating scenarios and possibilities in general and I have contemplated this exact decision. Surtain vs Horn. It's an interesting one as Surtain is a little bigger but Horn is a little faster. Surtain is more developed at this point but has been coached at the highest level his whole life. I read an interesting take on this and it did make some sense. Basically, Surtain has already been coached up. That doesn't mean he can't learn something new nor improve on what he's learned but you shouldn't expect him to be much more than what he is now. (Which is a great CB by the way), Horn has surely had great mentors in football and good trainers through his Father's connections as well I'd imagine. Both of these kids were raised to be football players and had the resources to receive the best opportunities. Can Horn be coached higher? Can Surtain continue to grow? Those are good questions and only time will tell but both appear to be solid players with great NFL potential. Personally, I think we may prefer Horn as I think he'd fit Snow's defense better.

Absolutely. We all saw it time and time again. It was a combination of things. For the record, I definitely want us being better than 5-11 every season but considering our circumstances last season i.e. completely rookie staff, bad roster, covid protocols etc., I wouldn't call that season abysmal as we were much better than I e3xpected us to be all things considered. 100% agree. I think that's what the point of the discussion is really about. We all agree we need to fix both things but the question is it which order in the draft? Can we improve LT more at 39 than what we have at CB at 39? Are the added picks worth any difference between what we think to be available? It's about total value. Elie LT + good CB or Shut Down CB + good LT + good WR/TE and maybe a pick in 2022.

Does it? I'm not saying that you're wrong but how much of that can we absolutely put of the offensive line? Surely some of it. Not being able to push it in on the goal line for example. But I'd also say a lot of it was not have a legitimate red zone threat coupled with a conservative QB who wasn't able to "put it in there" or "run it in there".

There are a couple of other players who could get drafted within that range who I'd doubt would be 1 of our 16 like Parsons and Smith. We could even have a thing against players who opted out last season if we don't like their reasons. In the pre-draft presser they said some players had good reasons. And the ones who didn't? Does that drop them from our 16? Maybe.

I read you analytics post and agreed with you. I really started thinking about that when I saw the predraft presser. And yes they may be bread crumbs, they are dropping a lot but at the same time there sounded like too much truth in it. We haven't had a shut down corner for even longer than we haven't had a great LT. Who was our last shut down corner? Have we ever had one? I honestly can't remember one. Surely we've had one and it's just been so long ago that the name escapes me.

There was also that mention about length showing up on tape at CB and at LT. That made me change my opinion as to who they may draft in the first. I'm now leaning towards it being a CB myself. I have to disagree on fields though. I'd say no way. He may be the reason we can trade back for that CB you mentioned and get the best haul for it.

Yeah, he has to be. No one would trade that much for Fields or Lance. SF is ready to win now. Jones should give them their best chance to do that.

Excellent post! I totally agree with all the logic you have presented. It's a team game and it takes a complete team to win. Rhule even said in his next to last presser that their inability to make stops on 3rd down last season was their biggest problem and he's correct. I will not be upset at all if our first pick is a shutdown CB, especially in a trade back scenario where we gain more draft capital. Hopefully for 2022 as well as what we'd get in 2021. I've been waiting for a calculated, intelligent, and analytical organization for a while now. That's why I was excited about getting Rhule and now bringing the new GM to really get this process started. I'm expecting an even better draft this season than we had last season as I expect more picks coming our way and still getting quality players that serve a purpose.

Well I don't use it on people who have different opinions than I do, most are insightful and make me reconsider my own opinions but there are a small few that just go on every thread and keep pushing the same negative things over and over. When someone does that, it starts to feel like trolling to me because it's the same basic argument again and again and it feels like an attack and it's not interesting anymore. Sometimes I began to doubt they are even fans. If I reach that point then I click. But there are lots of nice posters here, even the ones I sometimes disagree with I sometimes do agree with or can at least understand their views.

The funny thing about that is that spaghetti with meatballs is actually American. They don't do that in Italy. Italians have ragù which is a meat sauce and they use many different types of meat, usually wild like boar, hare, pheasant and deer. If you ever visit Italy, and especially the region of Tuscany, I highly recommend you try any pasta with ragù di cinghiale (boar). It will knock your socks off.

Well since I'm alone on an island I'd want to go with something that kept me calm and reflective so I'd have to say radiohead. Can't name a favorite song as with them it totally depends on which mood I'm in. That also decides which album I'd listen too. The best I could do would be to say that my favorite album is usually In Rainbows but sometimes I might say Kid A. Depending on my mood. I go back and forth on that question but usually In Rainbows.