Panthers Rhule

I agree with you on Pickett. I just hope they aren't intending on stealing him from us. I honestly believe Pickett is going to be great. He has everything he needs to be successful. I've heard he also has the "fire in the belly" like Burrow has. Which I think means he has the Moxy to be a QB in the NFL.

It's page 4 already so obviously people want to talk about it. I'm just happy to talk about most anything that doesn't involve hating some part of the Panthers. Those posts always come in but at least it's not the topic.

I like Robbie. He's passionate and honest. He articulates himself in a strange but funny way. I've never heard anyone else talk the way he does. I also believe he's better than last season and I expect him to bounce back this season under the new staff.

3rd time's a charm definitely sounds like he's being traded.

He is built more like a QB than an RB and he is faster and a better passer and yet he still was a big mistake at 3 as he still isn't necessarily considered ready to be their starter. They chose an injured Jimmy G to play in the PO instead. In this draft, they could stay with those picks and get a QB and likely a WR or LT. They could likely get Raiman or Penning and Corral or Howell with those picks. No. They aren't. I'd be shocked if Willis goes before 20. I like vegans. They taste good. 3 first round picks with guaranteed salaries could be difficult to manage financially. Better to have 2 + 2. That would also leave them the possibility of trading up next season if they choose.

If we don't draft Pickett then I won't be mad if we get an LT. We need one or the other. If we do go LT then I wonder if we would try to make a deal for Baker? This is interesting. These players should be players unavailable in the 4th round. It implies the possibility of a trade down.

Just close your ears. The media is manipulating your vision.

Unfortunately, I think you're right. Except that I think Pickett is the QB of the draft. If the Saints think that too and are willing to make those moves to get him then maybe I'm not wrong.

= high upside

Rivera must be hating all of this. They brought him in to clean up their image but he can't do that with all this other poo happening all the time. When is the NFL going to take that team away from that idiot?

"but his ceiling isn't very high"

Unless it works of course. Highest ceiling is used to elevate players who didn't play as well as someone else.

Good catch. I like what you did there.

I agree I'll join you. I agree I think this new concept of high ceilings is used to elevate players who didn't play as well as others. In the NFL, ceilings are not judged by how far you can throw or how fast you can run like they are at the draft. Ceilings are judged by how many games it looks like you can win not only now but moving forward. A great example of this is Mac Jones. At the draft time, his ceiling was very low. What's his ceiling now? Now, it's he could be a QB to make NE a playoff contender again. I'd say that ceiling has moved up a lot. I read people on here all the time saying what we all know is true, Mac Jones was the best rookie last season. System QBs can win a lot of games. Brady is a system QB too. TB won the SB running the same offense Brady ran in NE more or less after Brady made them change it when they risked not making the playoffs. Yes, this. People always talk about athleticism being important and Pickett is EXTREMELY athletic and yet I never hear people in the media raving about his high ceiling because of his elite athleticism but they do for other prospects. Pickett is an elite athlete and yet he gets no credit for it. He's the only elite athlete in this draft who has a lower ceiling than others who have a higher ceiling because of their elite athleticism . If they compare them all as elite athletes then they have to talk about elite accuracy and mechanics and being the most NFL ready or the best scheme fit for Carolina. That would make the best or right QB debates go away. In the NFL, high ceilings are judged by how many games you can win.

Then maybe you should reconsider.

I see this as BS. If Atlanta wants Willis they'll have to trade up to 5 to get him and lose picks. If he's not there we're taking these OTs. That way, if anyone else wants Pickett then they are safe and don't need to move up. Because we are definitely drafting Pickett. To drum up interest in Willis? We can only hope the Falcons take the bait.

RG3 was very good. I always thought so. However, I also believed he wouldn't survive the NFL if he continued to play that way. RG3 and Corral are almost exactly the same size and play with the same style. With players like that, you must ask yourself if they can still be as good if they play differently. If not then it's only a matter of time before the inevitable happens.

I see shades of RG3.

Are you comparing Willis to Newton???

I just love this argument. The "well he wasn't always as good as he is now" doesn't mean poo imo. All I care about is this question "is he any good now?" I hear very few people saying he wasn't good last season which is as close to now as you can get.

I really find it hard to believe that an NFL GM would draft a QB with so many flaws on the most important traits of an NFL QB who played at Liberty and still didn't dominate based solely on what some say is his "potential" to be a good QB. Anyone who drafts Willis is going to have to teach him how to do practically everything. Run a pro-style offense, read a defense, find more than 1 receiver per play, stay in the pocket, don't run into the DL and get sacked or they will have to run a gimmick offense around his running abilities.

At least, somebody did. I still believe they intended to draft Mac but someone else stepped in last minute because of all the bad press about him not being any good.

There are rumors that Lance isn't ready to start. If that's true, SF isn't trading or cutting Jimmy. They'll keep him one more season.

Me too. I loved the night set. Those drums were amazing.

Wasn't that the other way around? Seriously. I remember that rumor but in reverse.