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I don't think we're on the same wavelength here. People weren't simply patient with Fitterer some practically worshipped him and that was from the beginning. It was Dave Gettleman all over again. Turns out he was actually worse. Morgan I'm unsure about in this. He is going to be the X factor that determines Canales future here. He has been involved in some sketchy decisions and all we're left with is to wonder how much he liked or didn't like but had no control over. If we continue to draft the way we have then Canales or anyone else would be doomed. Anywho you can be pessimistic and still give the new head coach a singular season. If someone chooses the bitter route I don't blame them. But at least be upfront about it. Thanks for the chat.

What's not to follow? Fitterer received far more benefit of the doubt and much longer than he should have. Even when we first hired him people were on his jock. Canales could either fizzle out or bring us back to relevance. Such is the gamble with a coordinator turned first time head coach. I'll at least give him a season or two to show me something.

I understand and share this sentiment. Of course if the largest concern is whether or not he will tell Tepper to kick rocks we could have said the same thing about any of the other coordinators and basically anyone not named Harbaugh Vrabel or Belichick. The hope at this point is it is Dan Morgan steering this hire. We'll see.

On one hand it gives you pause. On the other hand he was in the playoffs and won one game while nearly pulling off another with that same offense. At the bare minimum that's what we are looking for.

Brother all we gave him was time and each time we were worse off for it. All his wheeling and dealing only amounted to the darkest days in the history of our franchise. If you gave him the benefit of the doubt and tons of rope there's no reason to not at least give Canales a season to show us something.

You shined Scott Fitterer's shoes more than anyone else in the Carolinas. There's no reason you can't be at least optimistic we didn't hire a retread. As always Tepper and his wife are the wildcard here. No argument.

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I mean you could be right but we did just fire a coach with plenty of experience in Reich. Don't jump off a cliff man.

I think you need a middle ground option between love it and indifferent. I like the hire and I feel optimistic and think he can do good things here if Morgan is the right guy and the Tepper's can quit meddling so much. I'm glad we went this route instead of a retread. That's my main takeaway.

I get where you're coming from and totally get the apprehension about any hires made under Tepper. But the angle that because no one else had significant interest as reasoning for why you think the hire is DOA is really pointless. It wouldn't be the first time teams missed out on a good coaching candidate and on the flip side if he fails it will be one more name to the pile. The main thing is we didn't go the retread route. From here each of us can choose to be glass half full or glass half empty. I don't blame anyone for either approach.

Monken is only a few years younger than Reich and won't have an MVP candidate at QB. Why does his name keep coming up?

If Mr. Scot has concerns after all his carrying water for Scott Fitterer then I'm sold.

Anytime you hire a first time head coach it's boom or bust. But we had to make this fresh start gamble. Another retread just wasn't going to cut it. I have a lot of hope for Canales. We'll see how it shakes out.

This is where I'm at as well. Vrabel is a capable head coach and I think the Titans did him dirty but it is probably best for us to just have a fresh restart altogether.

I would be fine with Canales idk why you guys are suddenly worried about who is or isn't interested. Matt Rhule was a hot name and had interest from multiple teams. Let's not get carried away with the theatrics here.

It had to happen but I hate seeing him go to the Heat. Hate it. So long Terry good luck.

Damn. It's as bad as we thought.

I feel you on that completely I was firmly of the opinion Stroud was the #1 by a significant margin followed by Richardson then Bryce and Levis interchangeably. I am still hoping BY has a tremendous offseason and somehow salvages things because it's January and I don't want to be miserable. We'll see.

So I take it there will be minimal change to the scouting department overall after what has been some of the worst drafting in franchise history?

Isn't John Lynch the only applicable comparison anyway? After Bryce Young maybe we should take it easy drawing parallels to justify team decisions for awhile. Just saying.

This is either going to be really good or really bad. Hoping for the best.

I like Dan Morgan a lot. I think he has the capability and knowledge for good things. The concern is how much he was involved with what we've seen transpire the last 24 months or so. From top to bottom it was a disaster. Hiring from within that is going to be a tough sell. But I'm hoping it works out and he's the guy. That's all I can do.