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Nice to see Coker and Legette doing well in the red zone. TMac is still adjusting as a rookie but we know what he can do.

Given their depth at the position idk why they would. It's going to be a long season.

I know there's a lot of hype around Renfro but I feel like he faces a steep climb to ever get back to where he was. With this hamstring injury lingering now I would hate to see the Panthers make a tough roster decision they later regret in order to keep room for him.

Gurley had a phenomenal season without a doubt but the fact is he was practically their best receiver. That's not a glowing statement for the WR room. And again. Goff was 7th in the entire league in yards per pass attempt in his first full season as a starter. This past season he was 2nd in the league in yards per pass attempt only behind Lamar Jackson. Meanwhile our QB has thrown for more than 300 yards in a game just once across 28 career starts. Goff has thrown for 300 or more yards in 43 games. They do not belong in the same conversation.

He didn't post anything overly egregious. That just goes to show how fragile the psyche of some folks have become under the weight of the trade the Tepper's pushed for. We've been willing to blur the line for a lot of things to convince ourselves of this or that to justify the investment. For the sake of the huddle let's hope for the best case scenario in 2025.

https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/261590-game-thread-panthers-at-bills/#comments

I definitely do not want to be the first team Shedeur has a really good game against. But none of it really matters. I mean Bryce and the offense looked good against the Bills backups last year and most people breathed a sigh of relief until weeks 1 and 2. In the end it doesn't mean anything. I won't be a believer until I see competitive football early in the regular season.

CPcavedweller is either not playing with a full deck or trolling. He will randomly and unprompted bash one of our best pass rushers in franchise history but then go to war for the likes of Justin Tucker.

Chuba also missed two games. The single season rushing leader in franchise history is DeAngelo Williams with 1,515 yards. Stephen Davis is second with 1,444 yards. And if Chuba had played those other two games he could have made a push for Davis's record no doubt. For all the talk of lack of weapons that's a pretty damn productive season.

They're starting Sanders. Don't care if we win or lose but the Panthers 1's better be ready to bring some heat for the home crowd.

Chuba had just shy of 1200 rushing yards and we were still 30th in passing yards per game. The opposing defense has to fear your passer for this to come to fruition.

Even if he didn’t have the extra baggage he was 32nd in FG% in 2024 and 16th (only 2 spots ahead of Eddie P) in 2023. End this thread.

Oh man don't even give me this revisionist history. So many people dunked on others predraft all but declaring Bryce was so good and generational and head and shoulders far away the best prospect in the draft that we would be able to compete right away and wouldn't need to sink the salary cap and multiple more first round picks into surrounding him with talent. 3 years later we are top 5 in the league in salary cap allocation to the offensive line and we've invested 2 first round picks in WR one of them an 8th overall for the first time in franchise history. Goff threw for all those yards and touchdowns and go look at his WR room that year. Not a single 1k WR. Even Cupp didn't even crack 900 yards. We can hope Bryce becomes a franchise QB without this foolishness to try and shoehorn him into a conversation he doesn't yet belong in. I certainly hope to see him earn that this season. But I don't have to contort myself into a pretzel to make him appear something that he is not yet currently. It's that straightforward.

One minute this place says Goff is trash the next minute he's elite again and suddenly he was a massive bust from the jump In his first full season as a starter Goff threw for 3800 yards (10th in the league) averaged 8 yards a pass (7th in the league) 28 touchdowns (5th in the league) and 7 ints. That's 200 passing yards shy of Cam's rookie of the year season with more touchdowns and 10 less turnovers. The lengths some folks will go to shine up a terrible to mediocre resume for our own QB are simply hysterical.

I've skimmed and laughed at quite a few gameday threads here over the years and certainly over the last several years mainly for laughs. Where more often than not we've been steaming dogshit. And while people have and will continue to gripe loudly about numerous areas of the team that fail especially the defense. Ultimately it's always going to circle back to the starting QB. The team goes as the QB goes. It's the most consequential position. The fragility some display over this is unnecessary.

If you're seeking productive conversation that terminology isn't going to assist in rational dialogue. I haven't condemned him. I'm for seeing what he has through the rest of camp and into preseason. If he sinks then you leave no stone unturned there will be other kickers available after roster cuts and go from there. We shouldn't be afraid to move quickly.

It could be worse. The Saints didn't even make a playoff appearance for their first 19 years of existence.

Impossible to say who will be good mediocre or great from that group. Could be none. Which would follow the norm for the position as of late. We would all love another young Kasay aside from the Super Bowl gaffe. For right now I'll just settle for stability for a few seasons. Whether it's a UDFA or a vet. I think that's best case scenario for the time being.

If you go up and down the list of GOAT kickers many are undrafted. But that was a different time for football. That was the only point I was making. Not that it was best kicker ever or bust. Anyways I've said all I can idk why some of you are so grumpy about this discussion but carry on.

There's a combination of contributing factors but there just isn’t staying power with the position anymore. But it also doesn’t need to be a situation where it hurts you worse than other teams if it is managed correctly. We'll just have to see how Morgan handles it and how his approach varies from the last several years. But we definitely do need to take a different angle.

Right now looking at how other teams are handling the position if we are lucky we will get a kicker who is competent and reliable enough for two or three years and then reset again. Because there's a lot of fools gold out there too. Guys who will have a brief run over the course of a season and then crash.

In hindsight obviously we should not have traded Butker and it was a glaring boneheaded move but there's also the reality that we haven't done a damn thing competively the last 7 years anyways so

I understand that. But it's simply a different league for the position now. UDFA kickers now versus 20 or 25 years ago just aren't the same. You aren't going to stumble into an undrafted Adam Vinatieri.