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That's certainly a take.

Also I see you slinking around here af 6 am spamming poo reactions @Icege Don't you have a family?

Say it with me slowly. Sustainability. That's what we are waiting to find out with Bryce. What parts of his game are and are not sustainable. If you disagree with me about his rushing that is your prerogative.

There have been a few fleeting exceptions.

I can't say I blame him. Between the league office allowing open season on him to be headhunted and the difficult journey he had with having to face the reality that he wasn't physically the same QB anymore I just don't think he wants to be fully enveloped in that kind of a reminder. He will reminisce with some of the guys from that group if they get together which is very rare but that's it. It's unfortunate. But it happens.

Death. Taxes. The Panthers special teams looking like deep fried butt juice no matter how many times the names change. At this point it's a tradition.

Can't argue with the ranking. These media outlets aren't going to believe in this team until the Panthers can begin to string together wins early in the season when there is actually something on the line to play for. Giants have talent but they like us have been cycling coaches at a high rate since Coughlin. DaBoll was a hot name and an up and coming coach the first few seasons and it looked like they might have finally hired the right one. Now look at them. Nothing is guaranteed.

Walker has been overhyped to an extent but it's long been an expectation it takes 1-2 seasons for many of these young edge rushers to develop. He was overdrafted though.

We did not draft 5 foot 9 and a half Bryce Young to win games with his legs. We drafted him for his arm talent and ability to process on the field both of which were hyped immensely. Full stop. To be clear 3 passing touchdowns is impressive and I've said as much and complimented him on his progress from and this is not hyperbole one of the worst QB's in the league at one point. The issue is it's one game and it has only been replicated one other time. And the other issue is even in games like this where his scoring output goes up his yardage is still low. That paired with the subject of his lack of 300 yard games and otherwise lack of 2 or more TD's games creates a conversation of sustainability and what is a realistic expectation for him as the "norm" going forward. And for right now Bryce Young scoring 2 rushing touchdowns in a single game when he only had 6 total rushing touchdowns in 14 games last year only exacerbates the need for that question to be asked. It is unfortunately very real and certainly something to consider. And just for clarity sake for comparison last year in a losing outing against the Rams Josh Allen threw for 3 touchdowns and rushed for 3 more scores. He accumulated a total of 424 yards. In regulation. Bryce Young's herculean coming out game as some here would describe only accumulated a combined 275 yards while going to overtime. And to be abundantly clear since you are choosing to take potshots at me about Stroud which only serves to aid you in portraying me as a hater. I did not bring him up here. I only responded to a conversation that occurred. As always. As I've said. I want Bryce to be the guy here. I don't want another reset where we have to wait 2 or 3 more seasons to see if a new guy is "him". If and when Bryce strings together multiple elite passing performances this upcoming season to cement himself at least as a top 12 QB then I will give praise where it is due 100%. But that is the bar or at least it should be. We've invested immensely in this offense and in him.

2 rushing touchdowns in the red zone both runs combined netted 12 yards. That isn't going to happen every game. We'll be lucky if he has 10 rushing touchdowns on the season. And even then. When is someone going to lay the wood on him? So basically we're looking at a 3 touchdown performance where it took going to overtime for him to hit 250 passing yards. Doesn’t he have only one single game with over 300 passing yards across 28 starts? And he's thrown for more than two TD's only twice? Again. The overcompensating is unnecessary. You can accuse people of having an agenda all you want. Reality is not an agenda bud.

The overcompensating for mid is stale. Give us some elite passing performances to fap over already.

So Hunt who is one of the best at what he does put a rookie on his ass like it was nothing? And people are surprised? Every young guy gets that welcome to the NFL moment. Graham better take it to heart.

If the statement bothers some folks so bad it's because it hits a little too close to the vest I guess. We've certainly lowered standards here about as far as we can. And if someone wants to come at me and claim we haven't well there's months and months of posts saying otherwise. Walker is a UDFA afterthought. Doesn't change the facts of that performance. And as such our #1 pick with all the pieces we have around him now should put up multiple games next season that smoke that one from PJ. At least that should be the expectation. Maybe some people are just happy he can hit 200 passing yards in a game. That ain't it.

Unrustle your jimmies sir. You don't have to like it. But that is no doubt one of the best passing performances we've seen in many years. Even had bum ass Terrace Marshall at almost 100 receiving yards.

I wasn't aware this was in the works from the team. That was nice. I hope they plan on getting Cam involved though. Doesn't seem right otherwise.

Considering our depth. Certainly kick the tires.

I mean. If I'm being honest. If we're talking a Panthers QB against the Falcons. PJ Walker had the more impressive game against them amongst anyone not named Cam Newton over the last decade. And that was in week 8. Not the last game of the season with nothing to play for.

There's plenty of really bad picks in the top ten going back to y2k.

He had 251 passing yards. 3 passing touchdowns and 2 rushing touchdowns. All in all a very impressive game. Problem is I do not envision his rushing ability translating like that over the course of the upcoming season. Yeah it will be something to account for from time to time but one it's not sustainable and two you don't want to put his durability to the ultimate test against a motivated defender willing to take a penalty and a fine. And plus with our backfield. Two 1k yard rushers. That's what they're here for. Then we have a much improved WR room. That means Bryce has to elevate those passing numbers substantially. The fact of the matter is regardless of circumstances it did take him 23 games to surpass Kyle Allen's single season passing yardage from 13 games in 2019. And that is not a high bar by any means. Whatever QB tier Bryce ends up in from here amongst his peers this upcoming season when it's all said and done it will be with his arm.

Why are you so focused on a Browns QB anyways? You've spent weeks badmouthing our rookie WR who had yet to play a down in an NFL game then when he finally did and looked good you went completely silent. Odd.

You of all people talking about someone else glazing a young QB based on a small sample size.

Jones is not a good QB and a turnover machine but he has made some franchise QB level throws. I've seen some nice throws from Bryce but to pretend like he is head and shoulders a more capable passer than Daniel Jones is not rooted in reality currently. Let's talk turkey not fantasy. Look at Jones completion percentage in his best year. 67%. Bryce is barely 60%. And let's keep this in perspective. Jones has something neither of our top 2 QB's here have. That's a playoff win. I would have to disagree. Is it even possible to underrate someone when they go from amongst the worst of the worst to fringe top 20? I think most people see this for what it is. Bryce has some things he does very well. He's finally displaying the movement in and around the pocket that he showed in college. He has a nice ball in certain scenarios but there are still throws that defenses are waiting to see him make on a consistent basis. That's where the story will change.

At this point I've yet to see his prowess in this area come to fruition. We've brought in a lot of players he was high on. Any word on when DJ Johnson is finally turning the corner?

Stroud was a simple layup on a lowered hoop. Just walk up and toss it in and go to work. Definition of simplicity. Still failed. Tepper's in a nutshell. The problem with Bryce is even if he establishes himself to be a middle of the pack QB you have to consider if the contract will be worth it looking at other teams that have made similar decisions and regretted it like the Giants with Daniel Jones for example. The worst thing we could do is ink him to a huge contract extension for showing just enough improvement for the front office to justify.

The QB comparisons have long been a beaten horse. Guys were making outrageous and baffling comparisons before we drafted him putting him in conversations with the greatest athletes of any generation. The hype was to me a huge bubble just waiting to burst. If Bryce is going to take the necessary steps to move on to the next level he is going to have to establish a consistent and accurate deep ball. There is no becoming a franchise QB in this league without that. And if it doesn't happen then defenses are just going to play him the way they have and he will eventually hit a wall again. Because everything is on tape. But with the receivers and the backfield we have in place this offense is more than adequate enough for him to bring it to fruition and at least become a top 15 QB. Hopefully he does.