frankw

I think you're overplaying your hand. You're talking to someone who has read most of the posts about him going back to before the draft. For sure there are some people who don't like him and clearly never will. I think you can count those posters here on one hand. On the other there has been a level of toxicity from people who have anointed him from jump street and honestly those folks have been the more obnoxious of the two. If anyone has an issue with that being stated. Well tough titty.

Or maybe we just need a balance between someone being a hater and someone carrying his water. When you can't even state the reality of the situation without dudes barreling in here acting like his momma I'd say that fits the bill of a syndrome too.

I'm pleased with this. His speed should be a nice asset in our offense under Canales. And unlike our previous staff I expect to see him getting a fair amount of usage.

If he's "the guy" he's expected to be as a top overall pick he will show up to camp looking like he's been hitting the weights for at least a few months

I don't know much about him but looking at his stats he's only 27 and he's put up good numbers and all we had to give up is Donte Jackson and a late round pick swap. Sounds like a solid move on paper. I'll be eager to see what Canales can get out of him.

The cap can be maneuvered but we all know what kicking the can down the road leads to. I'm assuming the plan is some positions will simply be stopgap until we can better position ourselves with draft picks over the next few years. Of course that's where the concern enters because we really need to nail most of the picks but so far we've been horrendous and we retained the same scouting dept. Morgan has a great deal on his plate and he has plenty of question marks as a first time GM that worked directly with Fitterer. I'll reserve judgment and try to avoid getting too high or low until we get to camp and preseason.

We have well over one hundred million dollars tied up in the oline to protect the smallest starting QB in the league that we traded a ransom to move up for. What exactly are you expecting? Filling in the roster with what we can get while we work on the offense was always the inevitability like it or not.

Can't absolve him of his role with Fitterer. He was directly involved in some very poor decisions. All I can do is hope he drafts well. But. He is working with the same scouting dept so that's not exactly encouraging. We'll see.

People here pumping up Dan Quinn? Interesting taste.

If Evero approves I'm alright with it. He's 29 though so we're just plugging in what we can until we can reload with another draft next year.

Certainly the revolving door with the coaching staff did him no favors.

I liked Chinn. Sucks to see him go. I'll always remember that highlight game he had. Could argue we didn't use him and squandered him. On the flip side you could argue that he not unlike Burns was in the mold of an although talented player he just didn't have that consistent game changer mentality. Maybe we've gotten hung up on players that flashed just enough to give us hope. Even Kony Ealy looked pretty good in SB50. Doesn't make a career though.

We've got bigger concerns just be glad anyone is here posting tweets or links.

I like it. If we lack pass rushers on the edge at least we have some girth in the middle

Given the current state of the defense. Yes make this happen. But let's please not overpay much.

I have to imagine Evero has been in the loop through all of this. Ultimately this is probably good for him in the fact this will be a scenario where if he fields a decent defense through all this adversity he's pretty much all but guaranteed a head coaching job next year.

Honestly it's getting to the point that Higgins is becoming overrated. To me if you are a team considering a splash move the only WR that you possibly make a run at in a trade is Justin Jefferson. Other than that if Higgins is all you aspire to get you can take a WR in this fairly deep draft.

You BY apologists sound nervous. I don't think most people are mad that we are investing in the offense that has been mediocre to putrid the last several years. They are mad that due to mismanagement we are continually shipping off talent for very little. Bryce Young is going to be setup and given the resources to succeed that much is clear. Almost all Panthers fans hope he does. But if he does not. Another QB will be walking into a significantly better position. Competition is a good thing. Honestly BY needs some of that. There can be no excuses. He needs to step up and command the locker room. This is his team now. This is the season that will tell us all we need to know about the mettle of Bryce Young the QB and about that leadership ability that we heard so much about a year ago.

Sir don't be sexist and forget to give Nicole her credit in this.

Aren't you the guy who came at my neck multiple times for speaking the truth about Bryce Young last year? You're welcome to go back and read the threads about the offer at the time yourself. Two of the 3 most sought after positions then and now remain QB's and pass rushers. The issue isn't just that we turned down the trade for picks that were years away. It's that our former GM went completely stupid and kept one upping himself with all in moves one after the other until he finally got the first overall pick and managed to take the wrong QB. Burns now no matter how one may feel about him is still worth at least one first round pick. No team would give us that because they've seen us give away other players for mediocre return and they know we are absolutely desperate to fix the QB we just drafted. You know. The one you defended tooth and nail.

You're this desperate to help the man who carried water for Scott Fitterer more than anyone else? What a kind knight in shining armor. I was 50/50 on the offer but the picks were years away and I saw the value in Burns looking at the current picture of the team before we made the slew of future mortgaging panic moves that set us on this collision course thanks to Scott Fitterer. Burns trade value has bottomed now since that offer because of the trade for Bryce Young and everything that has followed. Everyone knows we're completely desperate. In hindsight sure you make the trade to the Rams. Few people at the time wanted to hear it though don't act like I was the only one.

Tepper is in hiding he's made Nicole the face of Panthers PR. And you better not make any undignified remarks.

In all seriousness since we have nothing else to talk about can we dunk on the Scott Fitterer apologists for a bit? Mr. Scot show yourself.

If Bryce Young hasn't basically moved his whole life into the weight room by the morning...

Return value discussion aside that is an absurd contact for Burns no matter how well he may play there. I think most of the ire centers around this combined with the 100 million dollar contract for an OG and having holes all across the roster. But. If we had begun doing this a few years ago it wouldn't sting this bad currently. Tepper and Fitterer kept making all in win now moves like they were playing Madden GM mode (hi Bryce Young) and this is the aftermath of what we get.