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Moose was also a victim of time as well. His first season was 1996. We went through multiple QB's before getting to Jake Delhomme and by that point Moose was 30 and he was also playing opposite Steve Smith who was commanding the ball. He took the money with the Bears and honestly considering the QB's they had up there he put up respectable numbers. He eventually made his way back to Carolina and still put up good numbers at 35 years old. But it's fair to wonder if he had been in Carolina the whole time with consistent quality QB play if he would have had even more 1,000 yard seasons. But we'll never know.

You. Like Icege. Who is once again spamming poo reactions on my posts despite having me on ignore and apparently having endless amounts of time on his hands to do so. Are just as toxic as those you accuse others of. You can keep flailing and complaining about the posts. You are also the same one who made it a point to complain endlessly about how negative the board is but here you going off the deep end and making it personal because you are being exposed to points that challenge your narrative. I will continue to visit the huddle hoping this franchise and our first overall pick in particular can somehow turn things around. You can keep attacking others and pretending to be this impartial beacon of productive conversation in a sea of darkness if it makes you feel better. Do what makes you happy bud.

We'll see. I'll be keeping tabs on the snap counts for Moore versus the younger receivers.

I'm not bothered by David Moore over Renfrow they are both about the same age. But I do wonder if Canales has guys he's possibly loyal to maybe to a fault and Moore could be one. We'll have to revisit it.

I'm getting the sense you just don't like facing these comparisons and truths so you're just lashing out and making it personal because you are one of the main people who have made it your mission to carry water for Young. The Panthers have been poorly run for a long time now. They've made many mistakes with the best QB in franchise history. They've made mistakes with Bryce. But they've also invested IMO more offensively in a short time than they have really for any other young quarterback. But you don't like being told that because it doesn't fit your victimhood the world is against Bryce Young and he's always had the worst people around him narrative you've created in your head. That's on you.

Do we really need to argue over Kelvin Benjamin? Dude isn't worth anyone dying on a hill over. He had IMO potential to be a great WR. Which is true. But he ate himself out of a career and ultimately alienated anyone who was in his corner. That's on him. At the end of the day he's another Panthers bust. It is what it is.

He was always facing an uphill battle and honestly was a longshot to carve out much of a role on a long term basis all hype aside. But hey we gave him a cool 1.22 million bucks to hang out with us through camp and preseason so that's better than some other folks. Good luck to him.

Olsen is the best move they made and honestly it was dumb luck. The Bears got absolutely fleeced. Shockey was here one season. Our GM got into a petty dispute with Steve Smith and sent him packing only for us to get wiped off the field by him when we faced him with the Ravens. The tale of the Panthers through most of Cam's years involved comical failures of drafting offensive talent. If it hurts your feelings for me to discuss this well I'm sorry but you'll keep on living somehow bud.

Reminds me of Gordon Hayward's wife when he was here with the Hornets. Between the Thielen's and the Dalton's were just making these families more rich for no reason other than they are "nice" people. Then again this is the same franchise that handed over Matt Rhule generational wealth with a big grin.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/400951558 Anyone remember this game? With Greg Olsen out Cam Newton had Ed fuging Dickson at almost 200 receiving yards and no run game to speak of only 28 rushing yards in 4 quarters. Man put on a passing clinic.

I mean Evans isn’t a speed guy himself he can be deceptively quick. His resume is his catch radius and his hands and using his size to his advantage. That's the comparison. Watch KB in 2014.

It's interesting taking a stroll down memory lane. Sobering too. Beginning with the 2011 draft. The entire draft outside of Cam Newton were off the team within 2 seasons. That's insane. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2011_draft.htm The 2012 draft we gave Cam Newton Joe Adams in the 4th round https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2011_draft.htm The 2013 draft we gave him Edmund Kugbila and Kenjon Barner https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2013_draft.htm The 2014 draft we finally gave him a first round WR. Who he then proceeded to lead us to a Super Bowl without. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2014_draft.htm The 2015 draft we gave him Devin Funchess Daryl Williams and Cameron Artis Payne https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2015_draft.htm The 2016 draft after a Super Bowl appearance we gave him Beau Sandland https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2016_draft.htm 2017 is the year where we went big with our first 3 picks. CMC Curtis Samuel and Taylor Moton. Unfortunately by then it was too late as seasoned Panthers fans know. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2017_draft.htm In conclusion. That's the prime years of the only MVP in franchise history where we basically did fug all in the draft offensively. I mean this is night and day compared to the OL investment today and 2 first round WR's in the first three seasons. Let's put away the violin.

KB could have been another Mike Evans. Guy was just a headcase and didn't want to be great. But the talent was there. But yes we had a former QB at WR we had a former defensive lineman at left tackle at one point on top of keeping Byron Bell for too long. There was that one preseason where Corey Brown had like 20 drops. Ted Ginn was notorious for it and nearly lost us that Giants game in 2015 over it. First overall picks have to flash even in the less than ideal circumstances. Why this is a controversial or unfair notion now is beyond me but it's always been that way.

This simply isn't true no matter how many times you or anyone else tries to spread lies. Predraft I wanted Stroud over Bryce yes. But once the pick was made I was fully in support of our pick. I even defended the guy from some other people still clowning on him about being small in preseason of 2023. But everything changed once he started playing poorly in his rookie season. There were variables that contributed to his struggles but he hurt the team a lot too. He ended up finishing with one of the statistical worst rookie seasons in decades. There were many people concluding he was a bad pick. I still didn't outright call him a bust though. Now 2024 the stakes got even higher. There was a great deal of back and forth leading up to the regular season that year. Bryce made some comments about taking time off and doing mundane things and that didn't go over particularly well. Eventually things got quite contentious and there were many heated arguments heading into camp. I actually left for a few months to see how things would go and predictably all the derailed threads and bitter disputes continued. That preseason of 2024 there were also many discussions about our lack of playing starters and how preseason ultimately didn't matter. Then we opened the season with Bryce putting in two of the worst QB perfomances in a long time in two of the worst losses in a long time. Ultimately Bryce played better down the stretch after the benching. But there is still a great deal more we need to see from him early and across the entire upcoming season. He needs to play like a top 15 QB. It simply has to happen given where we drafted him and the pieces that we have built around him. He's got more than other QB's have had to work with especially along the offensive line. But if your opinion is that anyone that is concerned he may regresses again are simply haters I would argue it's you that is the problem. Every other QB before Bryce has faced these questions and criticisms. None of it is new. None if it will ever stop. That comes with the territory of the position and it is the same across the league.

The Panthers FO and staff should be focused on actually developing their young WR's especially their two first round picks from '24 and '25 instead of airing out this real housewives level drama on social media. They had to significantly overpay just to keep him around. Desperation has rarely been kind to this franchise. Just move on already.

"How dare you want a competitive QB room! Say it with your chest haters!" As if it's completely far fetched to suggest Bryce Young may struggle at some point.

Rippadon if I'm not mistaken. Between Trask and Corral he hitched his wagon to some duds.

Are you mad about it buddy? You sure seem like it. Meanwhile all you do is whine about others posts. Why don't you go out and touch grass like you like to tell other people so often.

Definitely seems like the prospects of being jettisoned to the Carolina Panthers brought him back to the negotiating table. Amusing.

Hoping for a swift recovery for you.

Yeah he was right about POS Matt Rhule. Unfortunately for him he promptly faded with the ensuing teams he played on after that. I think he'll be fine in spot duty under Bowles though.

Would be worth it for the entertainment value alone. Heads would explode.

He had the best statistical season but basically the tallest midget in comparison to the rest.

1 year contract worth 1.25 million. And yes sadly he's better than our QB2.

I'd lean more towards Todd Bowles and the Bucs GM. Baker always had the phsyical tools. It was his mouth and his ego that got him into trouble. But Bowles like DeMeco Ryans for Stroud in Houston is the common thread. When you have the right head coach you can remove and replace coaches and keep chugging along. We need to see Canales emerge as that type of presence this season.