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Weren't we the only team that interviewed him?

If Bryce cannot elevate himself to a top 15 QB with the pieces we have put around him and the resume we were sold before the draft then he was never that guy to begin with. Can we please stop invoking Cam Newton in defense of our first overall pick? Newton was rookie of the year in a lockout season when many many people here on the huddle said he was a one productive college season project who wouldn't do much and should sit behind Billy Volek. He took relentless grief from the media and this fanbase over the years for just trying to bring a better culture to the Carolinas.

Well I'm going to have to take that back I suppose. I had forgotten about him spending time on the commissioners exempt list for domestic violence and cocaine. Suffice to say we aren't the ideal destination to try and keep someone with off field concerns on the straight and narrow.

I mean most of us would be thrilled to see a reversal of fortune for the pick. But it seems to be a longshot right now. Furthermore the whole point of drafting RB's is to get the most production through their rookie contract. Which we have not done.

I don't see any harm in kicking the tires.

I see the article he linked referenced the big time throw metric. Never seen that used so often before Bryce Young. That data would have you believe Bryce is a better big time thrower than Josh Allen Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson. Sound a bit far fetched? I can buy into optimism but anyone that actually believes that right now before Bryce embarks on a key prove it season is not existing within reality. I'd love to see it though. Time will tell.

Sounds like mental illness to me. Hope it gets better for you bud.

Doesn't sound like Thielen had much confidence in the QB room in Carolina. But he went out of his way to talk glowingly of the rookie QB in Minnesota just two months ago.

As much as it was Fitterer it was also impatience from ownership. The FO at that time couldn't decide if they were in an actual rebuild or trying to win now. Moves were made in a vacuum that made no sense from other corresponding moves. That's been the story under the Tepper's.

I'll be curious to see if after it's all said and done he ends up justifying that level of compensation looking at past recent trades for the same package. That's not even mentioning the contract. But certainly the Packers are a force in the NFC now. McCarthy and the Vikings will have fun with that

At this point all that matters is if the Panthers establish the deep ball. If it's more of the same defenses will go back to playing our QB the same way they always have. And that only makes their jobs easier.

That's awful but this is the predicament Dan Morgan put the team in. He can't pretend like there weren't red flags.

If we bring him back cool. If not it's not as if it's going to make or break the season.

Speaking of connecting the dots. In actuality the poo function itself used to be only merely symbolic. It was changed to reflect neg rep as a counter measure for truly egregious posts spammers and rude rival fans. But there are unfortunately a few people who use it solely for personal retribution on a fairly regular basis now. If that sounds like an unhealthy toxic personality that's because it is. Glad I could help you connect those dots.

We have that. His name is Jimmy Horn Jr.

Oh please lol. If that's enough to trigger someone they need to get off the internet for their own well being.

Man this franchise has the most random and worst timing with everything. I am glad he is okay though.

Agreed. For me if I'm the Panthers. QB is in the upcoming draft plans no matter what. We need to develop a young QB2. The position is too important for the team to continue treating it as inconsequential. Now what round that QB is drafted in will be dependent on how Bryce Young looks. If he plays his ass off throughout the season then we can swing on a mid round pick. But if Bryce is average at best or has another set of games where he plays really poorly but then has some better games down the stretch then we should heavily consider swinging on a QB early. In that situation you have simply got to bring in real competition. Let them duke it out in camp 2026.

Good for Cam. I don't have any interest in watching anything on ESPN though. In general the First Take format is incredibly stale.

To be clear I am legitimately hoping the Tepper's have actually learned something through the worst win percentage in professional sports. Anywho. Icege pooing posts over valid David Tepper criticism is peak white knighting. Never seen anyone here so delusional and that includes PFFL.

I don't think it should be contingent on turning Bryce isn't a franchise QB. I'm skeptical of some things with Canales as well but he's a coach not a miracle worker. He can't change Bryce's physical make up. Furthermore if you fire him before giving him an opportunity to identify and acquire his own QB you are not going to get quality coaching candidates the next cycle.

Guys let's not go off the deep end over Renfrow. Canales success or failure will come down to whether or not he develops these young players.

We got Hendon Hooker? I'll take it.

The issue is they were hired in the first place. And Mr. Tepper didn't just hire front office executives to handle everything. He personally hopped on a plane with his right hand man Marty Hurney and flew out to Matt Rhule's house and let Rhule woo him with meatballs and life stories. Tepper was also fully involved in the hiring of Reich and did so bypassing another candidate in Wilks. Tepper also made it abundantly clear that he was pining for Bryce Young months before the draft. To believe he was not steering the trajectory of the team in some significant capacity throughout this would be akin to believing in Santa Claus.