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Everyone should be able to agree that we need to see a consistent deep ball connection throughout the season. No excuses. Whether or not that will happen is anyone's guess. No sense going at each other about this until we see it one way or another. It's been discussed relentlessly. Within 2 months we will know. As an aside. I will say this current predicament we find ourselves in with Dalton being out and the third QB looking abysmal at best is why I wanted to put more of an emphasis on having another young QB worth his salt on the roster. Instead of someone who is an afterthought like Plummer. We'll see how it works out as the season progresses.

What I see and hear from Canales gives me confidence he has a really good shot at being one of the better young coaches in the league. Everything hinges on how good he is on gamedays in preparation and adjustments. Player development definitely seems to be night and day overall. I'm very happy to see that 89 has been working with Mingo. Nothing about the situation from under center has changed until we see some plays in preseason at the very least. At some point fans on all angles of the conversation have to realize they are pouring gasoline on the matter no different than any others regardless of their position. We will not have a true answer until at least the end of September. Honestly the league did us a favor with the season opener being on the road against the Saints. We have the chance to make a statement right out of the gate. Falling flat is not acceptable. The general team vibe is so significantly improved it cannot be understated. I can't remember the last time I've seen so many former Panthers out in support of the team. Things are hopefully trending up. When I see it in a real game I'll begin believing again.

If they did this same interview format with many different players from different position groups across the league I can pretty much guarantee there would be many more getting clowned for their answers. Honestly people doing this to our own players for social media likes and clout is a prime example of why our team and media market are looked at as a complete joke.

People comparing this kid to busts of yesteryear are incredibly foolish. He's hard on himself and eagerly admits his shortcomings. He has the right mentality in spades. Sometimes things don't click for guys at this level but more often than not that's due to a lack of attention to details and fundamentals. I do not see that from Legette.

46 days later. All this seems so familiar...

Have I told you or AceBoogie or anyone to "stfu" for voicing an opinion? Honest question. I guess you simply conveniently missed that post btw. Enough with this blaming others for every Bryce thread mess. I've made zero Bryce threads. I left yesterday and come back this morning and there are two different Bryce threads at the top of the first page going strong with replies. This isn't going anywhere with or without me. People here are grown and choose to create these threads read these threads and engage. If you don't want to deal with any of this then log out or stop refreshing threads. Maybe I'll take a hiatus until the season opener on Sept 8th. What do you think the over/under will be on the number of new Bryce Young threads and unrelated threads derailed into Bryce Young threads will be in my absence? Let's give it a go.

New year? Fresh perspective? You gave up on him. You threw in the towel. Yet now you want to be the first and official word on how to root for him and the Panthers? There's a word for this. Clownery.

I do not pretend to be infallible or without flaws. I've been wrong on things over the years. We all have. Realistically most of what's been said here and on other Panthers fans social media platforms between the months of May and September for the last several years amounts to little more than spam. People drew lines in the sand over contentious takes on Bridgewater too. To the point of being asked if some people are really a Panthers fan over it. There will be reactionary spam during the season too particularly on gamedays. I've been reading these discussions on the huddle for 20 years. It's the same stuff rehashed the only thing that changes are the names in the front office the coaching staff and the roster. Some fans might be best served to stick to the official team social feeds if they are burned out on all this. Nothing wrong with that either. Different strokes for different folks. We're all human. As for the huddle. Honestly most of us post here out of habit. It's a habit hard to break. No different than the majority of the population that can't stop scrolling Facebook or X. Basically.....

Many of those posters are still around. The ones who compared him to hall of famers in this and other sports. They're just biding their time waiting to see if Bryce will suddenly turn into a great QB. I think the way you frame it indicates the problem. It's either on one side people who as you put it "don't like him" (in most instances impossible to truly know on an anonymous chat board) or people who need to see him with stacked talent to form a conclusion after hyping up as a one man show a year ago. You say there are discussions to be had but if it involves anything remotely on the side of negative instead of the "everything is awesome" end of the spectrum it is met with talk of what some are now describing as a pathological need to be critical of him. As if the rest of the sports world doesn't have these same blunt discussions whenever he is mentioned. If there were truly other more notable discussions to be had right now that haven't also been discussed endlessly we would be having them. We just had yet another uniform thread. Instead the top 2 threads dominating the front page for the last 24 hours since the first blueprint episodes dropped have revolved around the starting QB. That's just the modern NFL. Some people want to shoot the messenger over that because they don't like the banter that follows

I think the people who contort themselves into a pretzel to act like the whole world is against Bryce just can't reconcile with the fact that none of this is any different than the discussions Panthers fans have had over any of the other failed QB's the last 5 years. Of course the *on field* difference is we didn't bottom out completely with any of those QB's. Appreciate your kind words.

The issue is he wasn't just bad. He was historically bad. So yes if the Panthers put up a new blueprint video and conclude the first episode with footage of the same QB hopping in the air to heave a basic pass in OTA's in shorts after doing so throughout the trainwreck that was the 2023 season after hiring a coach specifically to "fix" him yes it's going to derail that thread.

Sounds like liquor logic to me. Interesting_Professional_Alcoholic-Reddit-qtqp9v5xauw81-fallback+dash-audio_0_131639.mp4

He was very mistakenly trying to appease Russell Wilson. They both got what they deserved. The only one in that I felt remotely bad for was Marshawn Lynch. Without him they don't make either title run. He was the engine of that team.

It's amusing that people take the time to login here and wonder aloud why anyone is discussing the starting QB we traded the farm to acquire in a thread about a Panthers behind the scenes series called Panthers "blueprint". There is no blueprint without a franchise QB. Yes he is and will remain a focal point in any and all discussions.

There have been fluff pieces every year the last 5 years and we've only gotten increasingly worse. Folks who enjoy this stuff should be and are welcome to consume it and have the right to voice their approval. Others that have begun to tire of the same song and dance and want to see the results in games also have the right to express that. Until we see any meaningful and impactful quantifiable results in actual games this is how it is going to go for the next few months. We are at this point due to ownership. People are just going to have to grit their teeth and wade through it for the time being.

Oh pantherclaw....... Sir. You yourself began this interaction with the following remark. Now you have dedicated the bulk of a long winded post to as you put it "telling you how you think" and calling me stupid for doing so. Being above average is the absolute floor for what I expect to see from him this season just an FYI. Indeed we do want the same things. I'm not better than you and vice versa. We are Panther fans. That's it. How about we just agree to disagree and call it a day? Good talk.

There is absolutely no love lost for me regarding the Seattle Seahawks. But if Pete Carrol is saying things like this about Canales I will certainly listen and put some stock in it. I'd love to see Dave have a coaching run here like Pete has had. No matter how I may feel about their franchise more often than not he generally always had them competing hard regardless of circumstances.

Since when is force feeding AT in the league's worst offense an accomplishment? You do know he was ranked 101 in Avg yards per catch right? Jonathan Mingo was 103. What's the common denominator here?

For me it's not dead last although it isn't far off realistically. I like a lot of the moves that have been made and I think so long as Morgan can draft well and Canales is holding down his end of the bargain in coaching on gamedays and keeping us ahead of the curve compared to the dinosaur head coaches of yesteryear we should be able to at least compete. What pulls down the optimism is the fact that we gave #9 absolutely zero push in the QB room. I really would have liked to see us take a flier on a QB with one of our late round picks. It remains to be seen if coddling Bryce will pay off but we do not seem to be learning any lessons in that area after the last several years that has been a revolving door at QB. Still. Despite what others might mistakenly insinuate I do have some hope. It will be even higher if we look good in preseason. Until then for me the rollercoaster that is life as a Carolina Panthers fan rolls on.

I expect to see significant improvement in his footwork his accuracy his deep ball and his performance in all 4 quarters of games. I also expect to see him out there trying to lead the team and bringing energy in moments where we might be trailing or not doing well. That trait is a very specific leading reason of why we drafted him. In my POV the difference between us is my definition of expectation in this instance in relation to BY is based on real world data and where he ranked last season compared to his peers whereas your definition of expectation seems to be drifting into the fantasy end of the spectrum. The issue here is that you have a distinct perception that discussion that does not revolve around Bryce Young basically being fitted for a gold jacket after it's all said and done means others must not be loyal Panthers fans. That's something you're going to have to figure out for yourself my friend.

Travelle Wharton does indeed deserve more recognition. He was rock solid.

He hasn't been perfect. Some people have been hard on him in recent times due to all the turmoil along the OL. But he's firmly within the top 5 no doubt. And he's done that playing beside some turnstiles for awhile now. As much as we all love Gross and Kalil they had the benefit of playing beside capable linemen for the most part in their best years.

Do tell. How bad do I think he is since you are apparently a telepath? I can tell you what the numbers say. He was 46th in passer rating for the season last year. What do I want to see? Top 15 minimum in most important QB metrics. That is and should be the expectation for him or any other first overall pick. Do you agree?

My main takeaway. Thank you Derrick Brown. Even in OTA's the man is on a mission.

This is what the football discussion looks like about a team that regardless of the "new" season has had the worst win percentage in professional sports. The heavily produced footage we are being fed does not change the circumstances. If you've read my posts you'll know I've tried to be fair on the whole regarding the situation surrounding Bryce going back to the evening we drafted him. When the games started so did the clock and there were many things that occurred which did not and still do not bode well for the likely outcome of him becoming a great to elite QB. And unlike some people who tell others to stfu I have yet to declare Bryce Young a confirmed bust and I certainly don't need to go around creating threads saying such and then running and hiding over it like AceBoogie. I want Bryce to be the guy. Most people here do. But that doesn't require one to be a drone only showering praise upon him. Furthermore this is what we are going to be dealing with for the next several months from other teams fans and the media so you should get used to it now. If someone wants honest discussion and not an echo chamber this is the place to be. If someone wants to be a drone they should seek out the die hard Panthers sycophants on X.